a1canary 0 Posted October 21, 2004 Tell me if i''m jumping the gun here but...Ok, so his debut(ish) goal wasn''t quite so spectacular but the similarities are showing and the signs are not good. If he was badly shown up by Shackell, which no-one should be suprised about, against Palace reserves, then i can''t see him being any higher up the pecking order for a central defensive berth than for a striking one.He''s up against Flem enjoying the time of his life and his fellow yorkie Charlton, showing he''s still got the qualities that were so lauded at Bolton, and a young hungry and talented Shackell pushing hard in the reserves. At the other end of the pitch, he may have a bit more chance (eventhough he doesn''t really want it), esp from the bench if Leon or Matty aren''t doing it but otherwise, with a new striker iminent, his future looks to involve a meeting with that big dustbin marked Emblen, Walsh, Cottee and Libbra...And 750k, if that''s what he cost, is starting to look like a rash and hasty piece of business at best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DumbleDelia is Magic 0 Posted October 21, 2004 I think it''s a bit early to be closing the door on the Doc already. He was brought to the club, primarily, as a central defender. He''s had the bad luck (Norwich''s good luck!) of coming to a club who''s two current central defenders are playing out of their skin. Lets also not forget that he''s only 24. Fleming is 33. Someone will have to fill the gap in a year or two. Ok, I know Shacks is coming through but I don''t think we can write off the Doc yet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kennyfoggo 0 Posted October 21, 2004 Can''t put him out in the bin just yet... got to see what he is like at defending....But could it just be that ..Flem could be in his last season...before Nige lets him go the way of Iwan and Malky ..especially if we stay up... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Old Boy 0 Posted October 22, 2004 Libbra???? You''re joking I hope. Libbra''s problem was that mostly he didn''t give a monkey''s, and there''s no way you can say that about Docherty. Let''s play Flem as a striker and see how long it takes for posters to rubbish him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevenageFan 0 Posted October 22, 2004 Forgive me, but everyone is saying how great Flem, Charlton and Greeno are playing, but we have still conceded 14 goals!! Okay its not the worst in the prem, but its not great either. People say Edworthy is keeping Helveg out of the side too. So basically 4 of our back 5 are so good that no one else can get in, yet they have conceded 14!!Okay, its a team game and they have probably kept out double that, but Spurs should have been 3 up at time against us and only bad luck on their part stopped that happening.Idividually they do all look like they are playing well, but Doc and Helveg must be wondering how many goals we have to concede before they get a chance. Don''t get me wrong I am not saying I think our defence is bad I just think to write off the Docs chances in there so early is not fair on him.Bit confusing opinions I have expressed there, but hopefully you get what I mean. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marty 0 Posted October 22, 2004 Stevenage fan, the key to a team keeping clean sheets is based on all 11 players, not just 5, it''s like saying the goalkeeper is poor after conceding a hat full of goals when the defenders have off days. I think the defence has looked pretty good so far. It is a simple fact that many of the teams we play this year will be better than us too, so apart from the Arsenal and Liverpool games we have looked fairly solid and only conceded 7 goals. The same logic can be applied to strikers too, they can''t score loads of goals when there is no service to them. I think Charlton has been our best signing so far by a mile.As for Doherty, give him a chance, he hasn''t even played in defence yet! I also agree with the comment above about contrasting the work rate and effort of the two players, no contest really. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
a1canary 0 Posted October 22, 2004 Fair enough gang, seems i was jumping the gun with GD. And also i read NW telling us all that his fitness levels need improving so hopefully there''s plenty more to come from the man. And spot on Morty, people need to realise that it''s not just the defenders who defend. As many goals are conceded by a poor pass or mistake in midfield as by a mistake in defence. If they are too exposed, top premiership strikers will get through them every time whether they are Paulo Maldini or Drissa Diallo! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevenageFan 0 Posted October 22, 2004 [quote]Stevenage fan, the key to a team keeping clean sheets is based on all 11 players, not just 5, it''s like saying the goalkeeper is poor after conceding a hat full of goals when the defenders have off da...[/quote] Yes I agree with that and did try to say that somewhere in my post, just not as well as you did Now you mention only 7 goals coming from teams outside the very top flight it isn''t such a bad result.  Also I have only seen the games on SKY and listened on Canaries World to the others, so I am not in the best position to comment....  My main point was don''t write off the Doc just yet as we will need him, especially if one of Flem or Charlton get injured. From what I have seen from Charlton he is one of the best signings we have made for a long time. Kind of contradicting myself now aren''t I? haha. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stella Canary 0 Posted October 22, 2004 Flem 33 and the Doc 24 - place them next to each other who would you say was 9 years older I think a new topic is needed: "Did The Doc Mum lie on his birth certificate!!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pete Raven 276 Posted October 22, 2004 Agreed, you wouldn''t believe he''s the same age as the handsome young devil in the middle of this picture... http://new.edp24.co.uk/content/news/story.aspx?brand=EDPOnline&category=News&tBrand=EDPOnline&tCategory=news&itemid=NOED15%20Oct%202004%2011%3A52%3A19%3A563 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jet heeled frontman 0 Posted October 22, 2004 [quote]Can''t put him out in the bin just yet... got to see what he is like at defending....But could it just be that ..Flem could be in his last season...before Nige lets him go the way of Iwan and Malky .....[/quote]KennyWere you at the reserves game this week. Doc got his chance in defence and he was simply dreadful. He did not seem to have the pace to keep up with their strikers so he constantly resorted to pushing or shirt pulling. If he gets fit then maybe he will impress. I suppose we have to give him time. But on wednesday nights performance I dont think he even deserves a place on the subs bench. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NavMan 0 Posted October 22, 2004 Good to c u back Stevenenage Fan. You''ve gone from oblivity to being top poster on here over last couple of weeks. There is a however a house in Norwich in need of some serious decoration so maybe less time on here and a swift visit may help the situation. Let me know when you back and if not working will try and jack up a visit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DumbleDelia is Magic 0 Posted October 22, 2004 Check out all those awards!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kennyfoggo 0 Posted October 22, 2004 Jet heeledKennyWere you at the reserves game this week. Doc got his chance in defence and he was simply dreadful. He did not seem to have the pace to keep up with their strikers so he constantly resorted to pushing or shirt pulling. If he gets fit then maybe he will impress. I suppose we have to give him time. But on wednesday nights performance I dont think he even deserves a place on the subs bench.No mate couldn''t get in to game, had a stinker in the RESERVES, I was worried when we bought him as a spurs webmaster and some mates said he was absolutely terrible.. prone to mistakes and giving away needless free kicks by doing what you have said he did.Now whether the get fit regime he will be under will do anything to enhance his perfomances only time will tell...personally I think young Jason should be given some experience if only on the bench.....but still feel we can''t put Donkerty out in the bin y Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
a1canary 0 Posted November 25, 2004 Sorry, couldn''t resist resurrecting this one - seems more pertinent than ever at the moment. Jack of two trades, master of none, good idea in theory but a costly mistake in practice. We need masters in every position in this league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
