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1Wolverhampton Wanderers 33 19 6 8 64 43 63 21
2Birmingham City 32 17 9 6 40 28 60 12
3Reading 31 17 8 6 58 26 59 32
4Preston North End 33 15 8 10 44 39 53 5
5Cardiff City 29 13 12 4 41 26 51 15
6Sheffield United 32 14 9 9 43 29 51 14
7Burnley 33 14 9 10 46 45 51 1
8Bristol City 33 13 11 9 42 37 50 5
9Swansea City 32 11 15 6 46 35 48 11
10Ipswich Town 33 12 11 10 45 36 47 9
11Queens Park Rangers 31 12 11 8 33 29 47 4
12Crystal Palace 30 12 7 11 42 35 43 7
13Sheffield Wednesday 33 11 9 13 34 45 42 -11
14Coventry City 32 10 11 11 36 39 41 -3
15Doncaster Rovers 32 11 7 14 26 35 40 -9
16Derby County 31 10 8 13 37 42 38 -5
17Blackpool 33 9 11 13 34 46 38 -12
18Barnsley 31 10 5 16 30 41 35 -11
19Plymouth Argyle 33 9 8 16 29 42 35 -13
20Nottingham Forest 33 8 10 15 35 47 34 -12
21Watford 31 9 6 16 44 53 33 -9
22NORWICH CITY 33 8 8 17 43 52 32 -9
23Southampton 32 6 10 16 29 50 28 -21
24Charlton Athletic 32 6 7 19 34 55 25 -21

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I think Watford and Barnsley will be safe which means 3 from 5 clubs??

18Barnsley 31 10 5 16 30 41 35 -11
19Plymouth Argyle 33 9 8 16 29 42 35 -13
20Nottingham Forest 33 8 10 15 35 47 34 -12
21Watford 31 9 6 16 44 53 33 -9
22NORWICH CITY 33 8 8 17 43 52 32 -9
23Southampton 32 6 10 16 29 50 28 -21
24Charlton Athletic 32 6 7 19 34 55 25 -21

 

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[quote user="cityangel"]

I think Watford and Barnsley will be safe which means 3 from 5 clubs??

18Barnsley 31 10 5 16 30 41 35 -11
19Plymouth Argyle 33 9 8 16 29 42 35 -13
20Nottingham Forest 33 8 10 15 35 47 34 -12
21Watford 31 9 6 16 44 53 33 -9
22NORWICH CITY 33 8 8 17 43 52 32 -9
23Southampton 32 6 10 16 29 50 28 -21
24Charlton Athletic 32 6 7 19 34 55 25 -21

 

[/quote] Watford and Barnsley are far from safe - they could both quite easily lose their next two games. Games in hand does not equate to points on the board.

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Indeed. Watford are in trouble as are Plymouth. My feeling is Forest have the quality to put together a Doncaster like run to lift them out of it. Southampton and Charlton I cant see staying up so I see the last place being between us Forest Plymouth, Watford and Barnsley.

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For me I hope Neil Adams was right with his early prediction at the start of the season about Plymouth! They''re the ones I''ve got my eyes on!............ Please don''t sack Sturrock he''s doing a great job!

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With all the doom and gloom on here at the moment, it is almost as if people have forgotten that the best part of a third of the season is still to go.  Yes our position is poor, but it is still far too early to predict anything at all.  

Any of the sides in the bottom 8-10 (yes, including us) could go on a decent run in the next 4-5 games which would leave everyone talking on about how they are safe - which they certainly won''t be; similarly the sides in 14th-18th could go on a poor run which will have people saying they are doomed - which they won''t be. 

We could certainly do with some points under our belt in the two home games coming up so as to get back into the pack as soon as possible, if only to temporarily relieve some of the tension/pressure.  But whatever, I am certain that it will go to the last few games - even the last one - before we are either officially doomed or safe.

 

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[quote user="Branston Pickle"]

With all the doom and gloom on here at the moment, it is almost as if people have forgotten that the best part of a third of the season is still to go.  Yes our position is poor, but it is still far too early to predict anything at all.  

Any of the sides in the bottom 8-10 (yes, including us) could go on a decent run in the next 4-5 games which would leave everyone talking on about how they are safe - which they certainly won''t be; similarly the sides in 14th-18th could go on a poor run which will have people saying they are doomed - which they won''t be. 

We could certainly do with some points under our belt in the two home games coming up so as to get back into the pack as soon as possible, if only to temporarily relieve some of the tension/pressure.  But whatever, I am certain that it will go to the last few games - even the last one - before we are either officially doomed or safe.

 

[/quote]  This is one of the most sensible posts I''ve read on this board for some time. Doom-mongers take note.

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[quote user="JimRoyle"][quote user="Branston Pickle"]

With all the doom and gloom on here at the moment, it is almost as if people have forgotten that the best part of a third of the season is still to go.  Yes our position is poor, but it is still far too early to predict anything at all.  

Any of the sides in the bottom 8-10 (yes, including us) could go on a decent run in the next 4-5 games which would leave everyone talking on about how they are safe - which they certainly won''t be; similarly the sides in 14th-18th could go on a poor run which will have people saying they are doomed - which they won''t be. 

We could certainly do with some points under our belt in the two home games coming up so as to get back into the pack as soon as possible, if only to temporarily relieve some of the tension/pressure.  But whatever, I am certain that it will go to the last few games - even the last one - before we are either officially doomed or safe.

 

[/quote]  This is one of the most sensible posts I''ve read on this board for some time. Doom-mongers take note.[/quote]This doom mongerer suggests that 12 games is nearer one quarter than one third of the seasons tally of 46 games but agrees with the gist of the post. It is too early still to predict anything, my worry is that we need to improve and I just cannot see where this improvement will come from.

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...we do actually have 13 games left (28.2% of the season) - don''t wish those games away, could be important points!!  I used 1/3 as some sides do have 15 matches left (32.46% of the season) and the average seems to be 14 (30.3%) so I rounded up....

People seem to be talking about an improvement being needed, which of course it is true, but it does have to be said that had we had a modicum of luck in recent games (and a better ref than clown D''Urso) we could well have had a point from both Brizzle and Preston.  We only lost those games by the odd goal, so there is not that much which needs to turn in our favour....it has to be said that a clean sheet would be a fantastic start. 

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[quote user="Branston Pickle"]

With all the doom and gloom on here at the moment, it is almost as if people have forgotten that the best part of a third of the season is still to go.  Yes our position is poor, but it is still far too early to predict anything at all.  

Any of the sides in the bottom 8-10 (yes, including us) could go on a decent run in the next 4-5 games which would leave everyone talking on about how they are safe - which they certainly won''t be; similarly the sides in 14th-18th could go on a poor run which will have people saying they are doomed - which they won''t be. 

We could certainly do with some points under our belt in the two home games coming up so as to get back into the pack as soon as possible, if only to temporarily relieve some of the tension/pressure.  But whatever, I am certain that it will go to the last few games - even the last one - before we are either officially doomed or safe.

 

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[quote user="JimRoyle"][quote user="Branston Pickle"]

With all the doom and gloom on here at the moment, it is almost as if people have forgotten that the best part of a third of the season is still to go.  Yes our position is poor, but it is still far too early to predict anything at all.  

Any of the sides in the bottom 8-10 (yes, including us) could go on a decent run in the next 4-5 games which would leave everyone talking on about how they are safe - which they certainly won''t be; similarly the sides in 14th-18th could go on a poor run which will have people saying they are doomed - which they won''t be. 

We could certainly do with some points under our belt in the two home games coming up so as to get back into the pack as soon as possible, if only to temporarily relieve some of the tension/pressure.  But whatever, I am certain that it will go to the last few games - even the last one - before we are either officially doomed or safe.

 

[/quote]  This is one of the most sensible posts I''ve read on this board for some time. Doom-mongers take note.[/quote]Well said! We will not go down.

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[quote user="JimRoyle"][quote user="cityangel"]

I think Watford and Barnsley will be safe which means 3 from 5 clubs??

18Barnsley 31 10 5 16 30 41 35 -11
19Plymouth Argyle 33 9 8 16 29 42 35 -13
20Nottingham Forest 33 8 10 15 35 47 34 -12
21Watford 31 9 6 16 44 53 33 -9
22NORWICH CITY 33 8 8 17 43 52 32 -9
23Southampton 32 6 10 16 29 50 28 -21
24Charlton Athletic 32 6 7 19 34 55 25 -21

 

[/quote] Watford and Barnsley are far from safe - they could both quite easily lose their next two games. Games in hand does not equate to points on the board.
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My opinion wasn''t based on games in hand it was based on their games to come and a gut feeling.

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I think it will be Southampton and Charlton plus either us or Plymouth or Barnsley. Plymouth are dropping like a stone, but are probably due a few results and Barnsley are just a strange side, who seem to be completely hopeless and then string together 3 or 4 excellent results. Either way I am getting more concerned by the game. Next two matches are beyond huge.

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Also to the guy who said we may go on a good run. you been to the games this year. There is no way we will pull away or anything. We may scrape enough points together, but we lack the quality required to put say 4 wins in 5 together. Where are the goals coming from? How will we ever keep a clean sheet? We wont. Against Burnely and Coventry you know the score will not be Norwich x Opposition 0. Never mind we''ll have to rely on goal machine Jamie Cureton.

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[quote user="norfolkbroadslim"]

1Wolverhampton Wanderers 33 19 6 8 64 43 63 21
2Birmingham City 32 17 9 6 40 28 60 12
3Reading 31 17 8 6 58 26 59 32
4Preston North End 33 15 8 10 44 39 53 5
5Cardiff City 29 13 12 4 41 26 51 15
6Sheffield United 32 14 9 9 43 29 51 14
7Burnley 33 14 9 10 46 45 51 1
8Bristol City 33 13 11 9 42 37 50 5
9Swansea City 32 11 15 6 46 35 48 11
10Ipswich Town 33 12 11 10 45 36 47 9
11Queens Park Rangers 31 12 11 8 33 29 47 4
12Crystal Palace 30 12 7 11 42 35 43 7
13Sheffield Wednesday 33 11 9 13 34 45 42 -11
14Coventry City 32 10 11 11 36 39 41 -3
15Doncaster Rovers 32 11 7 14 26 35 40 -9
16Derby County 31 10 8 13 37 42 38 -5
17Blackpool 33 9 11 13 34 46 38 -12
18Barnsley 31 10 5 16 30 41 35 -11
19Plymouth Argyle 33 9 8 16 29 42 35 -13
20Nottingham Forest 33 8 10 15 35 47 34 -12
21Watford 31 9 6 16 44 53 33 -9
22NORWICH CITY 33 8 8 17 43 52 32 -9
23Southampton 32 6 10 16 29 50 28 -21
24Charlton Athletic 32 6 7 19 34 55 25 -21
[/quote]my god the reality of it....i am praying the football gods...come on norwich

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Looking at the "Goals For" column in the table we actually have a fairly reasonable tally. In fact we have scored more goals than Birmingham who are in an automatic promotion place. The "Goals Against" column shows why we are in the bottom three. We let in nearly double the goals of Birmingham.

If we are to survive them we must stop sides scoring against us. Keep a clean sheet as first priority then nick a goal and we get all three points.

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[quote user="JimRoyle"][quote user="cityangel"]

I think Watford and Barnsley will be safe which means 3 from 5 clubs??

18Barnsley 31 10 5 16 30 41 35 -11
19Plymouth Argyle 33 9 8 16 29 42 35 -13
20Nottingham Forest 33 8 10 15 35 47 34 -12
21Watford 31 9 6 16 44 53 33 -9
22NORWICH CITY 33 8 8 17 43 52 32 -9
23Southampton 32 6 10 16 29 50 28 -21
24Charlton Athletic 32 6 7 19 34 55 25 -21

 

[/quote] Watford and Barnsley are far from safe - they could both quite easily lose their next two games. Games in hand does not equate to points on the board.

 

 

Watford still have norwich, Barnsley, Southamptopn, charlton, and plymouth  to play
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