Salopian 1 Posted February 8, 2009 I have to say at the start that in general we should not panic after a poor game like Saturday''s, but defensively we are weak on a continuing basis - one of the worst goals conceded levels of all. It''s one thing to concede goals, it''s another to gift them, however.The whole defence has shown weaknesses at times - how many clean sheets?Should Marshall be rested? He is a mixture - brilliant saves and elementary mistakes, but on balance at the moment he may be losing more points for us than he gains. The question is whether Nelson is more consistent and reliable. I do not know the answer. Of all the positions on the pitch, that of goalkeeper is crucial, partly because mistakes are usually fatal and partly because doubts about a keeper can affect the mentality of defenders.We shall probably lose Doc for a game soon, possibly the only defender most people have any real faith in at the moment and certainly one whose performance doesn''t vary much. (I have to say that he worries me when he "hugs" opponents when he goes to head the ball, and I am not sure how the rest can compensate when he goes out of position or loses out to pace.)We have three on loan defenders - Grounds, Leijer and (I assume) Davies, who are all CD/FB flexible.I think that Gunny and co must sort out the best one to play with Doc and the best two when he is missing. If the other(s) are/is RB or LB, then he/they are in contention for the relevant fullback slot. I hope that one of the three can replace Semi, who seems in a poor run of form, and one needs to play LB in place of Drury, until Bertie is fully recovered, and then decide who is better of the two. (I think that even his fans would admit that Lappin is better further forward.)At the same time, we must develop and instill a defensive system, which can adapt to special circumstances, such as Kightly or any other winger who needs curbing. I have seen quite poor teams with players of little talent which have a solid system which maintains the shape of the defence and presents itself as difficult to break down. If we can sort out the goalkeeper situation, then a system should not be difficult for us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Bump 0 Posted February 8, 2009 GK: MarshallRB: LeijerCB: GroundsCB: Davies (probably)LB: BertrandRM: CroftCM: ClinganCM: RussellLM: CarneyST: CortST: KillenSubs: Nelson, Drury, Fotheringham, Gow, Cureton Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Noseybonk 0 Posted February 8, 2009 That looks pretty good Mr Bump.I would personally swap Russell for Gow and give Hoolahan a place on the bench.Not sure what Pattison has done wrong but nobody''s even mentioned him since Gunny came in. Maybe he''s out of favour.Would like to see Lappin given a go at LB. Surely he can''t be any worse than the other two and he has so much incentive to go out and perform. Clearly he''s not going to get a game in his preferred position. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beauseant 0 Posted February 8, 2009 [quote user="Mr. Bump"]GK: MarshallRB: LeijerCB: GroundsCB: Davies (probably)LB: BertrandRM: CroftCM: ClinganCM: RussellLM: CarneyST: CortST: KillenSubs: Nelson, Drury, Fotheringham, Gow, Cureton[/quote] Like the look of that Mr B, but I have a feeling that Leijer is left footed. I actually wonder whether we will see a new system at Preston with Sammy at sweeper, Crofty and Bertrand wing backs, three central midfielders and Big Carl upfront alone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FilletTheFishWife . 0 Posted February 8, 2009 [quote user="Evil"]That looks pretty good Mr Bump. I would personally swap Russell for Gow and give Hoolahan a place on the bench. Not sure what Pattison has done wrong but nobody''s even mentioned him since Gunny came in. Maybe he''s out of favour. Would like to see Lappin given a go at LB. Surely he can''t be any worse than the other two and he has so much incentive to go out and perform. Clearly he''s not going to get a game in his preferred position.[/quote]Ou ful backs have been our achilles heal all season. Time to try something differentMy team would beMarshallRussell Clingan Grounds LappinCroft Fotheringham CarneyHoolahanCort Gow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
walks on water 0 Posted February 8, 2009 [quote user="FilletTheFishWife ."][quote user="Evil"]That looks pretty good Mr Bump. I would personally swap Russell for Gow and give Hoolahan a place on the bench. Not sure what Pattison has done wrong but nobody''s even mentioned him since Gunny came in. Maybe he''s out of favour. Would like to see Lappin given a go at LB. Surely he can''t be any worse than the other two and he has so much incentive to go out and perform. Clearly he''s not going to get a game in his preferred position.[/quote]Ou ful backs have been our achilles heal all season. Time to try something differentMy team would beMarshallRussell Clingan Grounds LappinCroft Fotheringham CarneyHoolahanCort Gow[/quote] I was thinking along similar lines: Marshall Russell Clingan Leijer Grounds/Bertrand (not a great deal to choose between them :( Croft Fotheringham Carney Hoolahan 2 from... Killen / Cort / Gow Would love to see some system with Sammy Clingan as sweeper,...tailor made for itand I''d like to squeeze Patty in there somewhere; for Fotheringham? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grantroederdisaster 0 Posted February 8, 2009 I hope so! Grounds is a poor defender goalscoring or not! Cureton is not good enough end of! Theres 2 positions that need changing for a start! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boyo 0 Posted February 8, 2009 This defence needs sorting out. I think we should give the new bloke Leijer a go but I don''t know who should partner him in defence as I think Grounds Is just not good enough. Also I think Otsemobor should be taken out the team to give him a wake up call, but I don''t know who will replace him so he will have to stay in. My team would be, MarshallOtsemobor Clingan Leijer BertrandCroft Russel Pattison Carney Cort KillenI think Carney definantly needs to start, and Cureton definantly needs to be dropped. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZLF 335 Posted February 8, 2009 MarshallLeijer Davies Grounds BertrandCroft Fozzy Gow Hoolahan Cort KillenSUbsNelson Drury Carney Cureton PattisonBoth central midfielders were so ineffective I would exclude them and Ots from the squad. Killen did not impress but may support cort better than be a lone striker and than Curo did on sat. Would have dropped grounds too but as I dont fancy drury there and now wish we still had omo here.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Bump 0 Posted February 8, 2009 [quote user="ZippersLeftFoot"]MarshallLeijer Davies Grounds BertrandCroft Fozzy Gow Hoolahan Cort KillenSUbsNelson Drury Carney Cureton PattisonBoth central midfielders were so ineffective I would exclude them and Ots from the squad. Killen did not impress but may support cort better than be a lone striker and than Curo did on sat. Would have dropped grounds too but as I dont fancy drury there and now wish we still had omo here..[/quote]You''d drop Clingan? [:S] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The ghost of Michael Theoklitos 0 Posted February 8, 2009 [quote user="walks on water"][quote user="FilletTheFishWife ."] [quote user="Evil"]That looks pretty good Mr Bump. I would personally swap Russell for Gow and give Hoolahan a place on the bench. Not sure what Pattison has done wrong but nobody''s even mentioned him since Gunny came in. Maybe he''s out of favour. Would like to see Lappin given a go at LB. Surely he can''t be any worse than the other two and he has so much incentive to go out and perform. Clearly he''s not going to get a game in his preferred position.[/quote]Ou ful backs have been our achilles heal all season. Time to try something differentMy team would beMarshallRussell Clingan Grounds LappinCroft Fotheringham CarneyHoolahanCort Gow[/quote]Lappin at left-back??!!!How quicky people forget. I was thinking along similar lines: Marshall Russell Clingan Leijer Grounds/Bertrand (not a great deal to choose between them :( Croft Fotheringham Carney Hoolahan 2 from... Killen / Cort / Gow Would love to see some system with Sammy Clingan as sweeper,...tailor made for itand I''d like to squeeze Patty in there somewhere; for Fotheringham?[/quote] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reckoner 0 Posted February 9, 2009 People seem to be going for quite attacking line-ups here, remember we are playing a very good Preston team at their place, so i think playing a 4-3-1-2 system would be a bit too attacking. I''m not saying we go and park the bus infront of the goal and hope for a draw, i''m not Worthington, but we can''t just go and play gung-ho football, especially with our defence. My team would probably be: MarshallOtsemobor Grounds Leijer BertrandCroft Clingan Fozzy Carney Hoolahan CortI''m not entirely sure when Doc''s ban comes into effect? I think it''s immediately, but i''m not sure. Cureton has to be dropped, he just isn''t doing his job. Drury didn''t impress me on saturday, and Bertrand looked like he was starting to regain some form before he got injured. Fozzy impressed me with his second half appearance on saturday, so i''d give him a go, along with Carney who sounded excellent at Wolves, apart from aiming all of his good crosses at Cureton [:P] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZLF 335 Posted February 9, 2009 [quote user="Mr. Bump"][quote user="ZippersLeftFoot"]MarshallLeijer Davies Grounds BertrandCroft Fozzy Gow Hoolahan Cort KillenSUbsNelson Drury Carney Cureton PattisonBoth central midfielders were so ineffective I would exclude them and Ots from the squad. Killen did not impress but may support cort better than be a lone striker and than Curo did on sat. Would have dropped grounds too but as I dont fancy drury there and now wish we still had omo here..[/quote]You''d drop Clingan? [:S][/quote]Yup. He playes one game in five and as FTFW describes everything he does is safe. Rarely tackles, runs a little and does simple passes putting onus on the receiver to take the risk rather than him. He and Rusty were BOTH totally anonymous in teh first half on Sat - and it was through clingans channel that their midfielder ran without clingan thinking that allowed their player a free strike. poor poor defending from him - again - and we only got a central midfield presence once Fozzy came one - and none of us thought that would be a sentence seen on these boards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gingerpele 0 Posted February 9, 2009 The thing is with are game on saturday, drury was being beaten often because there winger was fast, and connected up WELL with whoever supported him, drury had know one, and if full-backs put in tackles all the time, know one would have wingers, Croft would be useless, Croft isnt the only winger in the league that gets past the defenders with ease.anyway i think the team should be like this:MarshallLeijer, Clingan, Davis, DruryCroft Rusty CareyHoolahanCort Killeni think we need no GK on the bench, he is crap, he was saving shots before the game(well trying), and he even let a Cureton shot slip through his arms. so bench like this:Grounds, Patty, Fozzy, Gow, and the dartford striker (whats his name :D) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lincoln canary (& Golden Coppel) 0 Posted February 9, 2009 marshalldavies grounds clingan drurycroft russell hoolahan carney cort gow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
James Kent 0 Posted February 9, 2009 I''m surprised so many people are going with Cort and Killen up front.They are both target man and neither will look to run in behind.I would of thought it was a choice between Gow and Cureton. Gow derserves a chance from the start.As for Cody surely too soon for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FilletTheFishWife . 0 Posted February 9, 2009 [quote user="Jim Kent"]I''m surprised so many people are going with Cort and Killen up front. They are both target man and neither will look to run in behind. I would of thought it was a choice between Gow and Cureton. Gow derserves a chance from the start. As for Cody surely too soon for him.[/quote] i''d go with Cort with support from Gow (right) and Hoolahan (left) so that''s a 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 however you want to see it.How anyone can picking Ots beggars belief. He has been shocking all season.I''d rather play Stuart Nelson at right-back! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Ink 0 Posted February 9, 2009 Carney won''t be in the squad, he''s in Australia this week for their game v Japan. If he does get back in time, he''ll be knackered.My team: MarshallSemi - Leijer - Grounds - Plastic ClinganCroft - Fozzy - Rusty - Hooly CortSubs : Rudd - Killen - Gow - Drury - PattiA 4-1-4-1 formation allowing the midfielders to push up a little more, and Clingan to be a 5th defender when required. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
if I promise to behave 0 Posted February 9, 2009 I think Otsemobor has to be rested. There''s something clearly wrong with him at the moment; whether it''s psychological or physical doesn''t matter, he seems to be a liability.I''d play: Davies (hopeful I know), Clingan, Lejer and Grounds/Plastic across the back; Croft, Fozzy, Russell and Patty in midfield, and probably start with Cort and Gow up front. That leaves room for one more loan, Killen, to come on off bench if Cort or Gow tires. I''d also put Nelson, Hoolahan, Drury and another perhaps a young solid midfielder, (Smith?) on the bench. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonzey 0 Posted February 9, 2009 [quote user="Evil"]That looks pretty good Mr Bump. I would personally swap Russell for Gow and give Hoolahan a place on the bench. Not sure what Pattison has done wrong but nobody''s even mentioned him since Gunny came in. Maybe he''s out of favour. Would like to see Lappin given a go at LB. Surely he can''t be any worse than the other two and he has so much incentive to go out and perform. Clearly he''s not going to get a game in his preferred position.[/quote]Swap Russell for Gow, proven quality for the unknown, unfit Gow. Are you insane?Lappin at LB, eh?!Maybe my grandma can play upfront?Pattison has to have a run out, big Cort up front with the creative Hoolahan in support. Bertrand in MF to tighten up with Drury behind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Libbra Lives in Dubai 0 Posted February 9, 2009 MarshallSemmy Grounds Davies Drury ClinganCroft Fotheringham Carney Hoolahan CortSubs: Gow, McDonald, Russell, Leijer, Plastic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sam 0 Posted February 9, 2009 I reckon it will be the same team with Fotheringham and Killen in for Russell and Cureton.And obviously a replacement for Doc if the appeal isn''t overturnedMarshall, Otsemobor, Davies, Grounds, Drury, Croft, Clingan, Fotheringham, Hoolahan, Cort, Killensubs: Nelson, Leijer, Russell, Carney, Gow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
