Worst case scenario... it's not too bad.

[Canary02 III 0]

I was totally against Gunn''s appointment originally, but looking at it realistically:

1) Worst case scenario is that we go down, which chances are we would have done regardless of whom we appointed today.

2) If we stay up the appointment will have worked and we can then assess in the summer whether it''s worth persevering with them or whether we''ve scraped home flukely despite Gunn and co and someone else can take charge knowing full well which league we''ll be in and what the future of the club looks like. Plus we won''t have to make a massive pay-off to get rid if neccesary.

3) Gunny has momentum behind him which could be key, particularly over the next two games. The quicker we can get points on the board, the easier it will be to keep clear of the drop, even if he is found out longer term by inexperience.

4) The players definitely seem behind him, which in the short-term should guarantee an improvement at least.

5) For a new manager with no money to spend, the situation would have been nigh-on impossible. At least the positivity and goodwill factor should buy Gunny a few points, even with a paper-thin squad.

6) Gunny has full knowledge of whom Roeder had targetted and set-up signing-wise before he went and can still conclude these deals if he wants so he''s not starting from scratch this window and can still add his own choice of players.

7) If Chippy is 1/10th as good a coach as he was a player (and his reputation as a technical coach is said to be very strong indeed) then some of the awful performances by our supposedly talented team will be eradicated as he will be able to get them right tactically (an area that Gunny is probably likely to be weaker in).

8) Dixie has been around various clubs in various roles and with his experience on board, the back room set up should run itself, leaving Chippy to concentrate on technical footballing aspects, and Gunny to be the media face and psyche the players up in the dressing room.

 

I''m not saying it will work, but I think there are positives to the appointment, and the more I think about it, the more I can see the logic. Perhaps I''m just trying to convince myself and be positive. I remember hating the idea of Grant and Roeder and trying to be positive after their appointments as well!

But either way, asking any manager to survive with a tiny squad and no money to plug gaps was going to be an enormous ask. None of the other contenders was guaranteed to beat the drop and all had one or more failures on their c.v. which could easily have been replicated here. Gunny comes with a blank c.v. but so did Dave Stringer and he did alright.

I''m giving the big feller the benefit of the doubt (as I would have done regardless of who it was in all probability), and if the worst happens and we go down, then it happens. If we all sing our hearts out for Gunny and the boys between now and May we''ll at least go down fighting.

[WeAreYellows49 0]

Good post and some fair points. [Y]

[blahblahblah 2]

[quote]1) Worst case scenario is that we go down, which chances are we would have done regardless of whom we appointed today.[/quote]

13	Coventry	28	-1	37
14	Bristol City	27	-2	35
15	Plymouth	27	-4	33
16	Barnsley	28	-9	32
17	Blackpool	27	-8	31
18	Nottm Forest	28	-8	30
19	Norwich	28	-7	29
20	Derby	27	-11	29
21	Watford	28	-12	27
22	Doncaster	27	-13	27
23	Southampton	28	-18	26
24	Charlton	28	-22	19

If you had said that about Charlton, fair enough.  I think you can perm 2 out of anyone from 23rd to 15th to go down at the end of the season.  Notts Forest are having their new manager bounce, we seem to have new energy from BGs'' caretaker game, whereas Southampton & Watford don''t have a pot to go in and Donny can''t score for toffee.  And something must be badly wrong at Derby for them to be in the mess they are in.To say that we would be liekly to go down whoever we appoint is wrong in my opinion.  I agree with everything else you say though.

[NCFC_Shaun 0]

You were beggining to make me a little less worried about this appointment until you got to number 6 of your points.

[quote user="Canary02 III"]

6) Gunny has full knowledge of whom Roeder had targetted and set-up signing-wise before he went and can still conclude these deals if he wants so he''s not starting from scratch this window and can still add his own choice of players.

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How on earth is that a good thing? He brought in Koroma & Archibald-Henville before realising they wern''t good enough. He brought in Sibierski as the answer to our ''target man'' problems. He brought in Hoolahan then fell out with him. He brought in Lupoli then considered him too light weight. Stefanovic got injured after a few games. Omozusi (to be honest) has not been as good as we all hoped he would have been.

Clingan is the only player he has brought into this club that we can be thankful for. So how I ask would you be happy if Gunn continued Roeder''s transfer policies in who to buy?

This is my main concern about this appointment.

[hogesar 10,764]

[quote user="NCFC_Shaun"]

You were beggining to make me a little less worried about this appointment until you got to number 6 of your points.

[quote user="Canary02 III"]

6) Gunny has full knowledge of whom Roeder had targetted and set-up signing-wise before he went and can still conclude these deals if he wants so he''s not starting from scratch this window and can still add his own choice of players.

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How on earth is that a good thing? He brought in Koroma & Archibald-Henville before realising they wern''t good enough. He brought in Sibierski as the answer to our ''target man'' problems. He brought in Hoolahan then fell out with him. He brought in Lupoli then considered him too light weight. Stefanovic got injured after a few games. Omozusi (to be honest) has not been as good as we all hoped he would have been.

Clingan is the only player he has brought into this club that we can be thankful for. So how I ask would you be happy if Gunn continued Roeder''s transfer policies in who to buy?

This is my main concern about this appointment.

[/quote]Stefanovic getting injured isn''t exactly Roeder or Gunn''s fault. Admittedly he''s made mistakes, but he''s made a couple of good signings. Realistically, Gunn will know which one''s have worked and which one''s haven''t and hopefully he won''t make the same mistake twice.I don''t think the appointment is ideal, purely on the basis i don''t want Gunn to become another loss of hero-status; but it''s hardly the worst decision with Crook and Deenham on board.

[singing canary 0]

im sure has thought of his targets ..lets face it with the list you now said , he couldnt do much worse.

all though i feel hoolihan will come good now.

[WeAreYellows49 0]

On the Canaries world interview Gunny says both he and John both have lists of targets, they will pool those together.

[NCFC_Shaun 0]

[quote user="WeAreYellows49"]On the Canaries world interview Gunny says both he and John both have lists of targets, they will pool those together.[/quote]

God I hope they are permanent players and not anything like Roeder''s choices. If they are. Help us ...

[Canary02 III 0]

[quote user="NCFC_Shaun"]

You were beggining to make me a little less worried about this appointment until you got to number 6 of your points.

[quote user="Canary02 III"]

6) Gunny has full knowledge of whom Roeder had targetted and set-up signing-wise before he went and can still conclude these deals if he wants so he''s not starting from scratch this window and can still add his own choice of players.

[/quote]

How on earth is that a good thing? He brought in Koroma & Archibald-Henville before realising they wern''t good enough. He brought in Sibierski as the answer to our ''target man'' problems. He brought in Hoolahan then fell out with him. He brought in Lupoli then considered him too light weight. Stefanovic got injured after a few games. Omozusi (to be honest) has not been as good as we all hoped he would have been.

Clingan is the only player he has brought into this club that we can be thankful for. So how I ask would you be happy if Gunn continued Roeder''s transfer policies in who to buy?

This is my main concern about this appointment.

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The point is not so much that Roeder''s targets were guaranteed to be any good, just that if any were, they would already be at an advanced state and Gunny would be in a good position to keep the deal on track quickly if he decided that he fancied them too. Had there been any good deals alredy in the pipeline then a totally new face would have been unlikely to have been able to pick up on these. 

I agree with your summary on Roeder''s transfers. He was better than Grant but that''s like saying that Goebbels was better than Hitler. Archibald-Henville was, for me, the lowest point of Roeder''s time with us. To waste money on a player he hadn''t seen and then send him back when we were critically low on players in his position was tantamount to dereliction of duty.

[Evil Monkey 52]

In defence of Roeder''s record with transfers, he didn''t have a pot to

p*ss in financially but still managed to bag one of the most

sought-after midfielders in the league (Hoolahan) on the cheap, a

freebie who is on course to challenge for player of the season

(Clingan) and a striker who, when dropped, was used as a stick to

batter the manager with (Lupoli) as well as Lita, Kennedy and

Stefanovic.  The fact that Roeder fell out with these players, how

highly he rated their talents or whether they got injured is almost

by-the-by, I think we can safely say his signing are better than

Grant''s and, to a certain extent, Worthy''s (in recent years).

I''ve said before, he''d have made a good Director of Football, as long

as he didn''t have to talk to anyone or make tactical decisions......

[Canary02 III 0]

[quote user="Evil Monkey"]In defence of Roeder''s record with transfers, he didn''t have a pot to p*ss in financially but still managed to bag one of the most sought-after midfielders in the league (Hoolahan) on the cheap, a freebie who is on course to challenge for player of the season (Clingan) and a striker who, when dropped, was used as a stick to batter the manager with (Lupoli) as well as Lita, Kennedy and Stefanovic.  The fact that Roeder fell out with these players, how highly he rated their talents or whether they got injured is almost by-the-by, I think we can safely say his signing are better than Grant''s and, to a certain extent, Worthy''s (in recent years).

I''ve said before, he''d have made a good Director of Football, as long as he didn''t have to talk to anyone or make tactical decisions......

[/quote]

Glenn Roeder - I bet he''s great at Championship Manager! Sat in his bedroom, telling the wife not to walk past the door loudly and blaming her every time he lost...

 

[Huddy 0]

Good post;

we were going down with Roeder so i don''t see this as a huge gamble. If it works it works, if it doesnt at least there wont be any big pay offs, we can just get someone in come the summer. And as you rightly said; we need results now so it could actually be a canny appointment/

[Mister Chops 7]

[quote user="Canary02 III"]

1) Worst case scenario is that we go down, which chances are we would have done regardless of whom we appointed today.

[/quote]What a ridiculous statement.

[Binky 0]

[quote user="Canary02 III"]

I was totally against Gunn''s appointment originally, but looking at it realistically:

1) Worst case scenario is that we go down, which chances are we would have done regardless of whom we appointed today.

I''m not saying it will work ...  .[/quote]I am! We will not go down. It will work. It is not a high risk appointment in our present circumstances it is a low risk one - both financially and at a motivational level.. As I see it, only a serious injury problem to key players will halt our climb to safety. (Expect Southampton to raise their game now - but we will still win it).

[Binky 0]

[quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="Canary02 III"]

1) Worst case scenario is that we go down, which chances are we would have done regardless of whom we appointed today.

[/quote]What a ridiculous statement.[/quote]Why? If Canary02 now thinks either Gunn is the best choice or there was no-one better suited for the immediate job in hand, - is it not a perfectly logical conclusion?

[James Kent 0]

Say what you want about Roeder, but the perm signings he got right:

Clinghan, Stefanovic, Bell and Hoolahan are all good players. Time will tell with Nelson and Cort, but i''m sure they will be good enough for the roles they are playing.

Bertrand, Lupoli and Lita have all been good loan signings.

I agree some of the loan players haven''t worked out, but for the most part Roeder got the signings right.

[WeAreYellows49 0]

[quote user="NCFC_Shaun"]

[quote user="WeAreYellows49"]On the Canaries world interview Gunny says both he and John both have lists of targets, they will pool those together.[/quote]

God I hope they are permanent players and not anything like Roeder''s choices. If they are. Help us ...

[/quote]

They were players Gunny and not Roeder chose.