Syteanric 1 Posted January 27, 2009 not sure id want to be in the shoes of the players right now! Gunny wont be a happy man! guess this is his baptism of fire, and it will be interesting to see how we approach Donny who have won the last 4 on the bounce in the league and drawn with Villa on Friday....oh, and John Otsemorbor is crap!jas :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silver fox 0 Posted January 28, 2009 Four points out of six is a good start for an inexperienced manager, but we should definitely have had three points tonight. I know it is early days for Gunn, but he should not be playing one striker for home games. He did the right thing by starting with the same eleven from Barnsley, but he has to realise that you cannot play Russell as a striker, however much he runs and puts himself about. He also could have made his substitutions earlier, especially after Soton took control of the game in the second half. Leaving it until the last eight minutes before bringing on the subs tonight was too little too late.He has enough experience around him to make a go of it, but not killing the game off after such an excellent first half performance tonight may well come back and haunt him. As long as he learns quickly from his mistakes then I am confident he can keep us up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kissthebadge 0 Posted January 28, 2009 Well, we''ve seen emphatic and we''ve seen complacent, now they need to show they can grind out a result. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Camuldonum 0 Posted January 28, 2009 [quote user="jas the barclay king"]not sure id want to be in the shoes of the players right now! Gunny wont be a happy man! guess this is his baptism of fire, and it will be interesting to see how we approach Donny who have won the last 4 on the bounce in the league and drawn with Villa on Friday....oh, and John Otsemorbor is crap!jas :)[/quote]Unless you automatically assume that you are going to win every game you play I would say it is football.Or should Norwich win every game they play in your opinion? Is that what you expect? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert N. LiM 4,004 Posted January 28, 2009 Cam, I don''t think any Norwich fan expects that. But we should have won last night against a very poor team, and we utterly threw it away. That''s where the frustration comes from. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MyGodWeArePoorToWatch 0 Posted January 28, 2009 [quote user="Robert N. LiM"]Cam, I don''t think any Norwich fan expects that. But we should have won last night against a very poor team, and we utterly threw it away. That''s where the frustration comes from.[/quote]Yes we are all frustrated.But we have seen a totaly different team in the last two games.The players are actually playing football.They have more flare, freedom and play more relaxed.Sure two points droped last night, but bloody hell, give the team and gunny some credit, because under roeder we were droping like a lead balloon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beauseant 0 Posted January 28, 2009 My greatest concern last night was the management team''s failure to act. It was obvious prior to the equaliser that we had lost momentum and that something new was desperately needed, yet Cort was left warming up from the 20th to the 90th minute while Russell continued to embarass himself and everyone else.I really want to see Gunny succeed, but management means being proactive,not reactive. Roeder was constantly (and correctly) slated for it,but Gunny fell into the same trap last night. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Butler 0 Posted January 28, 2009 [quote user="Beauseant"]My greatest concern last night was the management team''s failure to act. It was obvious prior to the equaliser that we had lost momentum and that something new was desperately needed, yet Cort was left warming up from the 20th to the 90th minute while Russell continued to embarass himself and everyone else.I really want to see Gunny succeed, but management means being proactive,not reactive. Roeder was constantly (and correctly) slated for it,but Gunny fell into the same trap last night.[/quote]You watched the same game as me then.It''s called lack of experience and indecisiveness. Were was Sir Alex when he needed him?They will, I hope, learn, but they can''t take long in the lesson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beauseant 0 Posted January 28, 2009 [quote user="The Butler"][quote user="Beauseant"] My greatest concern last night was the management team''s failure to act. It was obvious prior to the equaliser that we had lost momentum and that something new was desperately needed, yet Cort was left warming up from the 20th to the 90th minute while Russell continued to embarass himself and everyone else.I really want to see Gunny succeed, but management means being proactive,not reactive. Roeder was constantly (and correctly) slated for it,but Gunny fell into the same trap last night.[/quote]You watched the same game as me then.It''s called lack of experience and indecisiveness. Were was Sir Alex when he needed him?They will, I hope, learn, but they can''t take long in the lesson.[/quote] That''s the thing, isn''t it ? They''re learning the job while precious time is running out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syteanric 1 Posted January 28, 2009 [quote user="Camuldonum"][quote user="jas the barclay king"] not sure id want to be in the shoes of the players right now! Gunny wont be a happy man! guess this is his baptism of fire, and it will be interesting to see how we approach Donny who have won the last 4 on the bounce in the league and drawn with Villa on Friday....oh, and John Otsemorbor is crap!jas :)[/quote]Unless you automatically assume that you are going to win every game you play I would say it is football.Or should Norwich win every game they play in your opinion? Is that what you expect?[/quote]whats the point of taking part if you aren''t going to win?jas :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saint Canary 0 Posted January 28, 2009 [quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="The Butler"][quote user="Beauseant"] My greatest concern last night was the management team''s failure to act. It was obvious prior to the equaliser that we had lost momentum and that something new was desperately needed, yet Cort was left warming up from the 20th to the 90th minute while Russell continued to embarass himself and everyone else.I really want to see Gunny succeed, but management means being proactive,not reactive. Roeder was constantly (and correctly) slated for it,but Gunny fell into the same trap last night.[/quote]You watched the same game as me then.It''s called lack of experience and indecisiveness. Were was Sir Alex when he needed him?They will, I hope, learn, but they can''t take long in the lesson.[/quote] That''s the thing, isn''t it ? They''re learning the job while precious time is running out.[/quote]To be honest, Gunn would not have mademy short-list let alone get the job but last night could a blessingin disguise. Firstly I would hope Gunn will learn alesson about when and how to make substitutions.Secondly,there have been plenty of noises coming from Carrow Road about theend of January not being the loan deadline, no need to rush etc,etc. However, last nights game serves as a timely reminder toall concerned that the squad is too small and some players like Cortdo not have the confidence of the manager. So while the windowending does not mean that we cannot sign any loan players, all at CRshould now recognise that we need players as a matter of urgency,especially up front if Gunn will favour an out of position midfielderinstead of the 2 strikers on the bench. I am howeversceptical of the boards ability and desire to add to the wage billwith any haste and I will eat my hat if we sign anyone permanently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lincoln canary (& Golden Coppel) 0 Posted January 28, 2009 [quote user="silver fox"]Four points out of six is a good start for an inexperienced manager, but we should definitely have had three points tonight. I know it is early days for Gunn, but he should not be playing one striker for home games. He did the right thing by starting with the same eleven from Barnsley, but he has to realise that you cannot play Russell as a striker, however much he runs and puts himself about. He also could have made his substitutions earlier, especially after Soton took control of the game in the second half. Leaving it until the last eight minutes before bringing on the subs tonight was too little too late.He has enough experience around him to make a go of it, but not killing the game off after such an excellent first half performance tonight may well come back and haunt him. As long as he learns quickly from his mistakes then I am confident he can keep us up.[/quote] against two very poor teams at home is not a good start for any manager. it should have been 6 points. them two points dropped will cost us very dear Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rethinking the future 0 Posted January 28, 2009 I think that last night shows the importance of having a number 2.Without that assistant manager, Gunny made mistakes that might not have happened if he had another experienced manager alongside him encouraging him to make the changes.I think the biggest mistake was maybe not having Ricky Martin in the dugout (at least i didnt see him there) as he probably knows the squad better than anyone else in the management team. Crook and Deehan have not been in the club long enough yet to know much about our squad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary02 III 0 Posted January 28, 2009 [quote user="Saint Canary"][quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="The Butler"][quote user="Beauseant"] My greatest concern last night was the management team''s failure to act. It was obvious prior to the equaliser that we had lost momentum and that something new was desperately needed, yet Cort was left warming up from the 20th to the 90th minute while Russell continued to embarass himself and everyone else.I really want to see Gunny succeed, but management means being proactive,not reactive. Roeder was constantly (and correctly) slated for it,but Gunny fell into the same trap last night.[/quote]You watched the same game as me then.It''s called lack of experience and indecisiveness. Were was Sir Alex when he needed him?They will, I hope, learn, but they can''t take long in the lesson.[/quote] That''s the thing, isn''t it ? They''re learning the job while precious time is running out.[/quote]To be honest, Gunn would not have made my short-list let alone get the job but last night could a blessing in disguise. Firstly I would hope Gunn will learn a lesson about when and how to make substitutions.Secondly, there have been plenty of noises coming from Carrow Road about the end of January not being the loan deadline, no need to rush etc, etc. However, last nights game serves as a timely reminder to all concerned that the squad is too small and some players like Cort do not have the confidence of the manager. So while the window ending does not mean that we cannot sign any loan players, all at CR should now recognise that we need players as a matter of urgency, especially up front if Gunn will favour an out of position midfielder instead of the 2 strikers on the bench. I am however sceptical of the boards ability and desire to add to the wage bill with any haste and I will eat my hat if we sign anyone permanently. [/quote]Agree with point two Saint. Biggest positive from last night could be that we proved we can raise our game but be found out by a lack of goalscoring up front. If that doesn''t force the boards hand a little, nothing will. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites