Radio Norfolk says . . .

[Bury Yellow 2]

I was stupid enough to think that for the first time, this board was pro-active but to hear from ND that they are casting their net to then recommend some candidates to the board is so dissappointing.

He talks as if the board consists of 10 or so people instead of the this cosy little group of leaderless individuals. Why do they need to go through this process again, it most certainly hasn''t worked before.

The club is being run like some socialist collective. Decisions or lack of them by committee. Never works. Never will.

[Mr.Carrow 376]

Well thanks for the light entertainment Beausant.  So a clear statement from the IFA not denied by the club is "press speculation" or "media spin"?!

I think either you have maybe posted unaware that the full statement is on the IFA website or........[:S].  Well i won`t go there, but if it`s the former there would be no shame in admitting you got the wrong end of the stick.

[Grando 260]

Can anyone really think that getting Worthington back in any sort of managerial capacity would be a forward-thinking move? Our board are desperately scheming like rubbish villains in an episode of Scooby Doo - and they would have got away with it too if it hadn''t of been for those pesky kids at the Irish FA...

[The Butler 0]

[quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="Potless Percy "][quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="Yellow Rider"][quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="Potless Percy "]

Fine.  You carry on living in your cosy little world while our club goes to hell on a handcart . . .

 

[/quote]

 

 

No, what I''ll try to do is keep an open mind about press speculation, but please feel free to sift every statement from the club for negative subtexts (even if you have to invent them yourself) whilst swallowing whole every press report which satisfies your agenda.

[/quote]

So let''s get this clear Beauseant, do you agree that the club were right to make an enquiry about the possible availability of Worthy? That is what they have done and ND has not denied that at all, the Irish FA have blown their cover to make the enquiry public.

[/quote]

If the real target isn''t available until the end of the season and they wanted a short term experienced stopgap who knew the club inside out, then its not unreasonable, but the fact is that we don''t know what the enquiry entailed, so its best not to jump to conclusions. When I have all the facts I''ll happily give you my opinion, but I''m not condemning or condoning on the basis of a press report, the accuracy of which has already been challenged. The club is in deep enough trouble without revolutions being started on the basis of guesswork.

[/quote]

Here''s the IFA official statement:

"On Thursday evening, the Irish FA turned down a request from Norwich City FC to speak to the Northern Ireland Manager (Nigel Worthington) with regards to their vacant managerial position."

Check their website by all means to confirm.

 

[/quote]

 

Thanks for that PP, but I have been able to read for many years. I don''t see anything there that to challenge my comment, unless you have read it as "The Irish FA turned down a request from the financially and morally bankrupt board of NCFC to offer a huge long term contract to Nigel Worthington without any strings and with the express intention of pissing off their fans for whom they have nothing but contempt".

[/quote]

You are only bitter that they didn''t offer you the job Beau.

I''m sure the big cheese man needs an assistant.

 

[Yellow Rider 0]

[quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="Yellow Rider"][quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="Potless Percy "]

Fine.  You carry on living in your cosy little world while our club goes to hell on a handcart . . .

 

[/quote]

 

 

No, what I''ll try to do is keep an open mind about press speculation, but please feel free to sift every statement from the club for negative subtexts (even if you have to invent them yourself) whilst swallowing whole every press report which satisfies your agenda.

[/quote]

So let''s get this clear Beauseant, do you agree that the club were right to make an enquiry about the possible availability of Worthy? That is what they have done and ND has not denied that at all, the Irish FA have blown their cover to make the enquiry public.

[/quote]

If the real target isn''t available until the end of the season and they wanted a short term experienced stopgap who knew the club inside out, then its not unreasonable, but the fact is that we don''t know what the enquiry entailed, so its best not to jump to conclusions. When I have all the facts I''ll happily give you my opinion, but I''m not condemning or condoning on the basis of a press report, the accuracy of which has already been challenged. The club is in deep enough trouble without revolutions being started on the basis of guesswork.

[/quote]

IF it were just a press report I would agree with you but Worthy has been on the radio this morning and said that .......''contact was made'' so what more evidence do you need?

Now I agree that that did not amount to a ''formal approach'' or ''formal offer'' but fact is that the Board DID consider Worthy seriously enough to make the enquiry and that in itself alarms me. Any new manager will naturally get some slack from the fans early doors whilst he finds his feet. Would Worthy? Of course not. If he had returned then at the first sniff of a poor performance all hell would have broken loose due to the past history. 

[Mr.Carrow 376]

[quote user="Jim Kent"]To be fair Norwich might have wanted to talk to Nigel for his advice on who should be the next Norwich manager. An informal conversation doesn''t suggest an official approach to me. Lets all move on.[/quote]

There is absolutely nothing to stop someone from the club having a chat with Worthington, it doesn`t have to go through the IFA.  The clue is in the "with regards to the vacant managerial position at Norwich City".  Talk about clutching at straws......

[canary cherub 1]

The point surely is that they thought it was a good idea to speak to him at all? 

No one is suggesting that they approached the Irish FA with a view to offering him the job.

There''s a debate to be had about whether speaking to him was a good idea or not, but that''s a completely different issue. 

 

[yellow hammer 0]

Well here''s another completely negative knock at the board or whatever you want it be - a quote from Iwan Roberts today:

"“I''ve always said I''d like to come back in some capacity,” he said. “Whether in coaching or management, but I think they will be looking for someone with plenty of experience. ...... I''m sure they''ve still got my CV from last time and if I apply perhaps I''ll get a reply this time.”

So the board didn''t even have the decency to reply to one of City''s finest legends when he applied for the managerial position.

Jeez, that stinks.

[tribes 0]

[quote user="Potless Percy "]

The point surely is that they thought it was a good idea to speak to him at all? 

No one is suggesting that they approached the Irish FA with a view to offering him the job.

There''s a debate to be had about whether speaking to him was a good idea or not, but that''s a completely different issue. 

 

[/quote]That is it in a nutshell. Not too difficult to understand.

[The Butler 0]

[quote user="Potless Percy "]

The point surely is that they thought it was a good idea to speak to him at all? 

No one is suggesting that they approached the Irish FA with a view to offering him the job.

There''s a debate to be had about whether speaking to him was a good idea or not, but that''s a completely different issue. 

 

[/quote]

Look Nigel leave that lucrative Irish job and come back to Norwich on a temp basis. We kicked you out last time for being no good anymore so you know it makes sense!!

Oh lovely.

[Flipside 0]

The way I see it, the BBC before quoting the IFA statement, checked the source and came up with a statement from a named official at the IFA. Later in the evening, at least two Emails were sent to Neil Doncaster and received the following quote;

"I then sent him another e-mailing asking if the Irish FA had been approached about the possibility of talking to Worthington, this was my reply:

no, no-one has been offered or made any formal approach at all, least of all the IFA". source WOTB

What concerns many people is that this isn''t a case of being economical with the truth, or hiding behind smoke and mirrors, someone has told a blatant lie.

Who do I think is telling lies? Gordon Brown ofcourse.

[Beauseant 0]

[quote user="The Butler"][quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="Potless Percy "][quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="Yellow Rider"][quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="Potless Percy "]

Fine.  You carry on living in your cosy little world while our club goes to hell on a handcart . . .

 

[/quote]

 

 

No, what I''ll try to do is keep an open mind about press speculation, but please feel free to sift every statement from the club for negative subtexts (even if you have to invent them yourself) whilst swallowing whole every press report which satisfies your agenda.

[/quote]

So let''s get this clear Beauseant, do you agree that the club were right to make an enquiry about the possible availability of Worthy? That is what they have done and ND has not denied that at all, the Irish FA have blown their cover to make the enquiry public.

[/quote]

If the real target isn''t available until the end of the season and they wanted a short term experienced stopgap who knew the club inside out, then its not unreasonable, but the fact is that we don''t know what the enquiry entailed, so its best not to jump to conclusions. When I have all the facts I''ll happily give you my opinion, but I''m not condemning or condoning on the basis of a press report, the accuracy of which has already been challenged. The club is in deep enough trouble without revolutions being started on the basis of guesswork.

[/quote]

Here''s the IFA official statement:

"On Thursday evening, the Irish FA turned down a request from Norwich City FC to speak to the Northern Ireland Manager (Nigel Worthington) with regards to their vacant managerial position."

Check their website by all means to confirm.

 

[/quote]

 

Thanks for that PP, but I have been able to read for many years. I don''t see anything there that to challenge my comment, unless you have read it as "The Irish FA turned down a request from the financially and morally bankrupt board of NCFC to offer a huge long term contract to Nigel Worthington without any strings and with the express intention of pissing off their fans for whom they have nothing but contempt".

[/quote]

You are only bitter that they didn''t offer you the job Beau.

I''m sure the big cheese man needs an assistant.

 

[/quote]

 

You have me bang to rights[:D]

[Bogbrush 0]

[quote user="Potless Percy "]

The point surely is that they thought it was a good idea to speak to him at all? 

No one is suggesting that they approached the Irish FA with a view to offering him the job.

There''s a debate to be had about whether speaking to him was a good idea or not, but that''s a completely different issue. 

 

[/quote]

 

Quite right Potless. Any approach, whether formal or informal, regarding Worthington is breathtakingly, bewilderingly ludicrous and crassly stupid. In my naivety yesterday I corrected 1st Wiz when he suggested that our Board was stupid enough to consider bring back Worthless. So, I must apologise to 1st Wiz, I knew our Board was alot of things but I hadn''t realised that they were as unintelligent as this.... but Wiz did !

[Mr.Carrow 376]

Methinks you`re on a wind-up Beau.......

[Beauseant 0]

[quote user="Mr.Carrow"]

Well thanks for the light entertainment Beausant.  So a clear statement from the IFA not denied by the club is "press speculation" or "media spin"?!

I think either you have maybe posted unaware that the full statement is on the IFA website or........[:S].  Well i won`t go there, but if it`s the former there would be no shame in admitting you got the wrong end of the stick.

[/quote]

 

Please to oblige Mr C. It must brighten your day to have a break from studying the minutiae of the accounts[:D]

Seriously, though I haven''t got time to read the statement, but unless it says that they were offering Worthy the job on a long term basis I''m still reserving judgement. For what its worth, I don''t personally think having Worthy back in any capacity is a good move, but I don''t know what other options are available. I stress again that I am reserving judgement until I have more facts, and I may end up agreeing with you, but at present I''m keeping an open mind.

[canary cherub 1]

[quote user="Al Guido"][quote user="Potless Percy "]

The point surely is that they thought it was a good idea to speak to him at all? 

No one is suggesting that they approached the Irish FA with a view to offering him the job.

There''s a debate to be had about whether speaking to him was a good idea or not, but that''s a completely different issue. 

 

[/quote]

 

Quite right Potless. Any approach, whether formal or informal, regarding Worthington is breathtakingly, bewilderingly ludicrous and crassly stupid. In my naivety yesterday I corrected 1st Wiz when he suggested that our Board was stupid enough to consider bring back Worthless. So, I must apologise to 1st Wiz, I knew our Board was alot of things but I hadn''t realised that they were as unintelligent as this.... but Wiz did !

[/quote]

I don''t share your view of Nigel Worthington.  When you compare his record with those of the other managers who have tried to work for this clueless board, it speaks for itself.

The best bit is that it''s now crystal clear NW wouldn''t touch the job with a bargepole.  Gave me the best laugh I''ve had for ages.

I don''t think we''re going to get a queue of eager candidates somehow . . .

[:D]

 

[Beauseant 0]

[quote user="Mr.Carrow"]Methinks you`re on a wind-up Beau.......[/quote]

And that took three posts?[:D]

[tribes 0]

[quote user="Al Guido"][quote user="Potless Percy "]

The point surely is that they thought it was a good idea to speak to him at all? 

No one is suggesting that they approached the Irish FA with a view to offering him the job.

There''s a debate to be had about whether speaking to him was a good idea or not, but that''s a completely different issue. 

 

[/quote]

 

Quite right Potless. Any approach, whether formal or informal, regarding Worthington is breathtakingly, bewilderingly ludicrous and crassly stupid. In my naivety yesterday I corrected 1st Wiz when he suggested that our Board was stupid enough to consider bring back Worthless. So, I must apologise to 1st Wiz, I knew our Board was alot of things but I hadn''t realised that they were as unintelligent as this.... but Wiz did !

[/quote]Must confess, that by concentrating on my dislike of GR as a manager here, I had forgotten how bad they could be. This new episode brings me back to earth with regard to their ineptitde ( especially regarding football matters). They lift you by sacking Gr and then behave like amateurs with regard to appointing the new incumbent.

It''s not just the NW thing but the fact that they are going through the whole process of applications and interviews again. I foolishly believed that they had identified their trget and that he would be in place almost immediately.

[......and Smith must score. 1,339]

[quote user="yellow hammer"]Well here''s another completely negative knock at the board or whatever you want it be - a quote from Iwan Roberts today: "“I''ve always said I''d like to come back in some capacity,” he said. “Whether in coaching or management, but I think they will be looking for someone with plenty of experience. ...... I''m sure they''ve still got my CV from last time and if I apply perhaps I''ll get a reply this time.” So the board didn''t even have the decency to reply to one of City''s finest legends when he applied for the managerial position. Jeez, that stinks.[/quote]

Yes, the Board''s action - or lack of action - over Iwan''s application last time was pathetic.

OK he was a rank outsider, and, with his lack of managerial experience would probably have gone the same way as Roeder. But at the time he said he didn''t receive his rejection letter from the Club until a week after Roeder''s appointment had been confirmed.

On the Ball City ? I don''t think so.......

[singing canary 0]

i couldnt agree with you more tribes.

with the position we are in , the is nothing like a bit of forward planning.

i did believe they had someone lined up hence the quick departure, is wasnt like roeder was given a few games to turns things round.

or not that we know of, it just totally baffles me why , they would even approach a previous manager they sacked , and paid off a hefty sum to two years ago

to even think of going after him again, if it was me i would be hacked off they even thought about it.

it seems to me they have not got a clue what they are doing .

and this ignoring the fans , i think is a dam right dissgrace.

[Erik the Viking 0]

Radio Norfolk is so up the clubs backside it is untrue, granted they have to stay onside to a certain degree but they should be asking serious questions about the shambolic way this club is being run!. Dont even get me started on Chris Gormless!

- Approaching Worthy in any shape or form proves they totall have no nous

-Not having the decency to even reply to Iwans application a man that gave seven years to this club

This directionless ones really are tightening the noose around their own necks, how can anyone believe anything they say is beyond me?!

[macdougalls perm 0]

[quote user="Potless Percy "]

Cosy little world.  I rest my case.

 

[/quote]

Good job you''re not a lawyer then.

[Felixfan 53]

The fact that the board even thought of approaching Worthington let alone re-instating him shows how frighteningly devoid of ideas they must be. It has however united all fans whether pro Delia/anti Delia  pro Cullum/anti Cullum  - Perhaps this unity will translate into support for the team on Saturday and jolt the board into making a sensible appointment as soon as possible.

[singing canary 0]

i think most people can now see the root of the problem, for months we have been told we have no money for players, hence all the loans.

to even approach worthington with a 450k clause in his contract and what it cost to pay off roeder, this costs money.

if they done their job properly , this money could have been saved , and put towards the team .

i would rather have lita up front and his wages paid for for the next two seasons , than worthington back.

considering we dont score goals, and he did , its blantantly obvious to see on the pitch.

i sometimes wonder if they want a rod for their own back and are blind as well as stupid , they preach about having no money, yet are happy to employ someone whos time here had finished.

 

[Tangible Fixed Assets anyone? 0]

[quote user="Delia S. Tickers"][quote user="Potless Percy "][quote user="Delia S. Tickers"][quote user="Potless Percy "]

ND has admitted the club had an "informal conversation" with the Irish FA which they didn''t intend to be made public (info from Chris Goreham).

I bet they didn''t

[:@]

 

[/quote]

So, no "formal" approach then. A lot of fuss over nothing and the NI FA should have kept their gobs shut.

[/quote]

The point is, as I am sure you realise, that they made any approach at all.

 

[/quote]

But what for? Temporary manager, permanent manager, Director of football? We''ll probably never know and that''s why they should have kept quiet.

[/quote]

Manager of the bottle washers, LOL!

[Jim Smith 2,317]

The fact is:

1. Whether you want to call it a formal approach or an informal inquiry it is not in dispute that we enquired about speaking to Worthy about the vacancy. That to me is an absolutely staggering lack of judgment and comprehension of what our fans would find acceptable. Ok explore the options but there is absolutely NO WAY Worthington should be one of them.

2. The most depressing thing about it is it blows into the water the notion/hope that we had some kind of plan in place to replace Roeder and knew who we wanted. We clearly don''t.

3. I now find myself profoundly depressed it sounds as if we are going to have another bl**dy "interview process" that will no doubt take up most of the transfer window. Half our problem if you ask me is that we keep appointing managers on the back of interviews rather than their record or on the basis of how they are regarded in the game. Grant talked a good game and got the job. Same no doubt with Roeder. On both occasions we turned down what were probably much better candidates on the basis they ahd "not done their research" or did not have a dossier on our players. We are not interviewing for some business position here - its a football manager and we all know who is or is not decent out there. Why can we not just target who we want and go for them like every other club seems to do? There are plenty of options available at the moment.

4. If we get an interim manager i will despair. Not content with hordes of loan signings we now appear to be considering a short term manager as well? Give me strength!

[Matt Morriss 69]

[quote user="Delia S. Tickers"][quote user="Potless Percy "]

ND has admitted the club had an "informal conversation" with the Irish FA which they didn''t intend to be made public (info from Chris Goreham).

I bet they didn''t

[:@]

 

[/quote]

So, no "formal" approach then. A lot of fuss over nothing and the NI FA should have kept their gobs shut.

[/quote]Definitly. One thing the board need to do is explore all avenues, and thats all they were doing, looking at our options.What we need right now is experience, Worthy would have been perfect on a short term appointment til the end of season.

[Jim Smith 2,317]

I can''t believe what i''m reading. So you think that appointing a tactically inept manager who had to be forced out no more than 2.5 years ago by mass fan protests would have been a good move for the club at the present moment in time? It would have caused a terrible atmosphere and there would have been protests before he had even managed us for one game. What we need it a forward thinking, positive move that will unite the fans and give us some hope that maybe the future is not so bleak. Not a stopgap option that will divide the fans even further!

[YankeeCanary 0]

[quote user="Potless Percy "]

Cosy little world.  I rest my case.

[/quote]

As usual, you have no case, unless you''re referring to the delusional head case you demonstrate yourself to be on this forum.

[lil rob 0]

Nigel did a great job, but lets not take backwards steps. It all seems like abit of a smoke screen too me. I know from a good source interviews and candidates lined up for next week.