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Roeder statistically worse than Grant!

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If you take the number of games played and convert the wins, draws and defeats to percentages, this makes interesting reading:

Manager %Won %Drawn %Lost

Martin O''Neill 46 35 19

Nigel Worthington 41 37 22

Peter Grant 36 24 40

Glenn Roeder 33 24 43

Bryan Hamilton 29 29 42

Source: Wikipedia. Stats only inclusive of each manager''s respective ''tenure'' at Norwich City.

On this basis, GR is statistically worse than PG and getting damn close to stealing Hammy''s crown as worst ever manager.

It could be argued GR is still sorting out PG''s mess, but a year is a year and he''s turned around more players in two transfer windows than most managers would do in 4 or 5.

Wolves (H) proved the team is capable. Charlton (H) and Forest (H) (to name a few) proves the manager is incompetent.

He''s lost our respect (treatment of Huckerby, the AGM and recent criticism of fans), he''s quite possibly lost the dressing room and personally, I think he''s losing the plot.

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I''ll try and tidy it up...

Manager Won Drawn Lost

O''Neill 46% 35% 19%

Worthington 41% 37% 22%

Grant 36% 24% 40%

Roeder 33% 24% 43%

Hamster 29% 29% 42%

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[quote user="Shifty Sid"]I''ll try and tidy it up... Manager Won Drawn Lost O''Neill 46% 35% 19% Worthington 41% 37% 22% Grant 36% 24% 40% Roeder 33% 24% 43% Hamster 29% 29% 42%[/quote]

Do Worthy''s stats include the Prem season when we were playing much tougher opposition? 

 

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[quote user="Potless Percy "]

[quote user="Shifty Sid"]I''ll try and tidy it up... Manager Won Drawn Lost O''Neill 46% 35% 19% Worthington 41% 37% 22% Grant 36% 24% 40% Roeder 33% 24% 43% Hamster 29% 29% 42%[/quote]

Do Worthy''s stats include the Prem season when we were playing much tougher opposition? 

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Bogus argument - Worthy took us up, he mixed it with the Premiership teams.  You don''t grade victories (unless you''re Roeder, in which case Wolves and Ipswich would keep him in a job until 2011)

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[quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="Potless Percy "]

[quote user="Shifty Sid"]I''ll try and tidy it up... Manager Won Drawn Lost O''Neill 46% 35% 19% Worthington 41% 37% 22% Grant 36% 24% 40% Roeder 33% 24% 43% Hamster 29% 29% 42%[/quote]

Do Worthy''s stats include the Prem season when we were playing much tougher opposition? 

 [/quote]

Bogus argument - Worthy took us up, he mixed it with the Premiership teams.  You don''t grade victories (unless you''re Roeder, in which case Wolves and Ipswich would keep him in a job until 2011)


[/quote]

But the other four managers only managed us in the Champ.  If you include the Prem season you''re not comparing like with like.  Misleading use of statistics. 

 

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The stats include all of Worthington''s games in-charge.

Comparing Roeder to Worthy wasn''t really the point, I just put the other manager''s NCFC stats there for comparison.

The real point of the post was to highlight that Roeder''s win ratio is worse than Grants.

In fact, his defeats ratio is even worse than Hamiltons.

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Manager %..........  Won %..Drawn %Lost

Martin O''Neill ......  46 .........35 .......19
Nigel Worthington   41 .........37 .......22
Peter Grant ..........  36 .........24 .......40
Glenn Roeder .......  33 ..........24 .......43
Bryan Hamilton ...  29 ..........29...... 42

Just think if  O''Neill had been allowed to buy Windass for us ,then O''Neill would still be our manager ,we would now be top of the Premiership and Windass would still be knocking em in for us, sigh !

 

 

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Yep... Chase falling out with O''Neill was the single biggest mistake this club ever made.

He promised him £6M to spend and in reality we didn''t have 6 pence!

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[quote user="Shifty Sid"]If you take the number of games played and convert the wins, draws and defeats to percentages, this makes interesting reading:

Manager %Won %Drawn %Lost

Martin O''Neill 46 35 19

Nigel Worthington 41 37 22

Peter Grant 36 24 40

Glenn Roeder 33 24 43

Bryan Hamilton 29 29 42

Source: Wikipedia. Stats only inclusive of each manager''s respective ''tenure'' at Norwich City.

On this basis, GR is statistically worse than PG and getting damn close to stealing Hammy''s crown as worst ever manager.

It could be argued GR is still sorting out PG''s mess, but a year is a year and he''s turned around more players in two transfer windows than most managers would do in 4 or 5.

Wolves (H) proved the team is capable. Charlton (H) and Forest (H) (to name a few) proves the manager is incompetent.

He''s lost our respect (treatment of Huckerby, the AGM and recent criticism of fans), he''s quite possibly lost the dressing room and personally, I think he''s losing the plot.[/quote]Recent?How about constant criticism of fans. Here''s yesterdays good tidings from clown Roeder.“But one thing that has changed over the last 10 years or so is that

most supporters think they are good judges. I haven''t got a problem

with that either, but they watch so much football on the television,

they listen to all the clever people that have never been brave enough

or good enough to try management and they suddenly think they''re

experts.

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Grant inherited worthys competent championship team which was underperforming, the team with earnshaw, etuhu, safri and some other reasobale championship players who wouldn''t be in a relegation scrap.... he made it worse.

Roeder inherited Grants relegation candidates and has made them marginally better.Therefore Grants win ratio should be higher because he had a better team than when roeder took over.

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