Shifty Sid 0 Posted December 29, 2008 If you take the number of games played and convert the wins, draws and defeats to percentages, this makes interesting reading:Manager %Won %Drawn %Lost Martin O''Neill 46 35 19Nigel Worthington 41 37 22Peter Grant 36 24 40Glenn Roeder 33 24 43Bryan Hamilton 29 29 42Source: Wikipedia. Stats only inclusive of each manager''s respective ''tenure'' at Norwich City.On this basis, GR is statistically worse than PG and getting damn close to stealing Hammy''s crown as worst ever manager.It could be argued GR is still sorting out PG''s mess, but a year is a year and he''s turned around more players in two transfer windows than most managers would do in 4 or 5.Wolves (H) proved the team is capable. Charlton (H) and Forest (H) (to name a few) proves the manager is incompetent.He''s lost our respect (treatment of Huckerby, the AGM and recent criticism of fans), he''s quite possibly lost the dressing room and personally, I think he''s losing the plot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shifty Sid 0 Posted December 29, 2008 Sorry... that table didn''t come out as it did in the ''preview''. Don''t you just hate HTML... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shifty Sid 0 Posted December 29, 2008 I''ll try and tidy it up...Manager Won Drawn LostO''Neill 46% 35% 19%Worthington 41% 37% 22%Grant 36% 24% 40%Roeder 33% 24% 43%Hamster 29% 29% 42% Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canary cherub 1 Posted December 29, 2008 [quote user="Shifty Sid"]I''ll try and tidy it up... Manager Won Drawn Lost O''Neill 46% 35% 19% Worthington 41% 37% 22% Grant 36% 24% 40% Roeder 33% 24% 43% Hamster 29% 29% 42%[/quote]Do Worthy''s stats include the Prem season when we were playing much tougher opposition? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Chops 7 Posted December 29, 2008 [quote user="Potless Percy "][quote user="Shifty Sid"]I''ll try and tidy it up... Manager Won Drawn Lost O''Neill 46% 35% 19% Worthington 41% 37% 22% Grant 36% 24% 40% Roeder 33% 24% 43% Hamster 29% 29% 42%[/quote]Do Worthy''s stats include the Prem season when we were playing much tougher opposition? [/quote]Bogus argument - Worthy took us up, he mixed it with the Premiership teams. You don''t grade victories (unless you''re Roeder, in which case Wolves and Ipswich would keep him in a job until 2011) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canary cherub 1 Posted December 29, 2008 [quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="Potless Percy "][quote user="Shifty Sid"]I''ll try and tidy it up... Manager Won Drawn Lost O''Neill 46% 35% 19% Worthington 41% 37% 22% Grant 36% 24% 40% Roeder 33% 24% 43% Hamster 29% 29% 42%[/quote]Do Worthy''s stats include the Prem season when we were playing much tougher opposition? [/quote]Bogus argument - Worthy took us up, he mixed it with the Premiership teams. You don''t grade victories (unless you''re Roeder, in which case Wolves and Ipswich would keep him in a job until 2011)[/quote]But the other four managers only managed us in the Champ. If you include the Prem season you''re not comparing like with like. Misleading use of statistics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grantroederdisaster 0 Posted December 29, 2008 Your only a fan you know bugger all - is the answer you''d get from Roedernowhere! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shifty Sid 0 Posted December 29, 2008 The stats include all of Worthington''s games in-charge.Comparing Roeder to Worthy wasn''t really the point, I just put the other manager''s NCFC stats there for comparison.The real point of the post was to highlight that Roeder''s win ratio is worse than Grants.In fact, his defeats ratio is even worse than Hamiltons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gentleman Jim 0 Posted December 29, 2008 Manager %.......... Won %..Drawn %Lost Martin O''Neill ...... 46 .........35 .......19 Nigel Worthington 41 .........37 .......22 Peter Grant .......... 36 .........24 .......40 Glenn Roeder ....... 33 ..........24 .......43 Bryan Hamilton ... 29 ..........29...... 42 Just think if O''Neill had been allowed to buy Windass for us ,then O''Neill would still be our manager ,we would now be top of the Premiership and Windass would still be knocking em in for us, sigh ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shifty Sid 0 Posted December 29, 2008 Yep... Chase falling out with O''Neill was the single biggest mistake this club ever made.He promised him £6M to spend and in reality we didn''t have 6 pence! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Morriss 69 Posted December 29, 2008 [quote user="Shifty Sid"]If you take the number of games played and convert the wins, draws and defeats to percentages, this makes interesting reading:Manager %Won %Drawn %Lost Martin O''Neill 46 35 19Nigel Worthington 41 37 22Peter Grant 36 24 40Glenn Roeder 33 24 43Bryan Hamilton 29 29 42Source: Wikipedia. Stats only inclusive of each manager''s respective ''tenure'' at Norwich City.On this basis, GR is statistically worse than PG and getting damn close to stealing Hammy''s crown as worst ever manager.It could be argued GR is still sorting out PG''s mess, but a year is a year and he''s turned around more players in two transfer windows than most managers would do in 4 or 5.Wolves (H) proved the team is capable. Charlton (H) and Forest (H) (to name a few) proves the manager is incompetent.He''s lost our respect (treatment of Huckerby, the AGM and recent criticism of fans), he''s quite possibly lost the dressing room and personally, I think he''s losing the plot.[/quote]Recent?How about constant criticism of fans. Here''s yesterdays good tidings from clown Roeder.“But one thing that has changed over the last 10 years or so is thatmost supporters think they are good judges. I haven''t got a problemwith that either, but they watch so much football on the television,they listen to all the clever people that have never been brave enoughor good enough to try management and they suddenly think they''reexperts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Webbo118 0 Posted December 29, 2008 Comes from the same chapter as "I missed your tenure of the England manager''s job". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Polar 0 Posted December 30, 2008 Grant inherited worthys competent championship team which was underperforming, the team with earnshaw, etuhu, safri and some other reasobale championship players who wouldn''t be in a relegation scrap.... he made it worse.Roeder inherited Grants relegation candidates and has made them marginally better.Therefore Grants win ratio should be higher because he had a better team than when roeder took over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites