Censorship

[canary cherub 1]

As most of you know, all the articles in the local press about the Cullum saga from June/July were removed from the archive some time ago. 

That''s censorship, pure and simple. 

It was clearly done for a reason.  I wonder what it was?

 

[canary cherub 1]

I decided to email the Editor about this:

Dear Sir

I note that all the EDP and EEN articles relating to the approach by Peter Cullum to Norwich City Football Club in June/July 2008, and the club''s response to his approach, have disappeared from the web archive.

This is an act of censorship which inhibits informed debate and discussion of the subject on the message boards and elsewhere, by preventing access to the facts as reported in the press.

I''m not going to speculate about why this has occurred.  I am simply writing to request that all the aforementioned articles be restored to the archive without delay.

Yours faithfully

I''ll let you know what happens . . .

 

[Syteanric 1]

of course the club doesn''t ask Archant to censor certain things on the board at all does it? hence you cant say De-Liar when referring to Delia....

and yet the national tabloids could use call Blair "tony B-Liar" when he was running the country without any fear of censorship or recrminiation at all.....

jas :)

[Pete Raven 276]

Apologies to all the conspiracy theorists out there but no Cullum story has been intentionally removed from either site, it''s just our rubbish search engine and online archive.

[canary cherub 1]

[quote user="Sports Desk - Pete"]Apologies to all the conspiracy theorists out there but no Cullum story has been intentionally removed from either site, it''s just our rubbish search engine and online archive.[/quote]

So can you sort it out please Pete, or find a man who can? 

 

[Tim Allman 1]

Hello Potless Percy,

I''m not sure whether the Cullum links have been removed from the site or whether the archive seach facility does not find them. I did ask the web team this question a year or so ago (I was trying to find an old article I had written) and was told that the search facility wasn''t the best, and need to be upgraded or revamped to get it to find old stories.

Maybe this is the reason as opposed to them being removed. Perhaps one of the web team will reply to this to confirm.

Tim

 

[Evil Monkey 52]

Yeah, the search engine on the archive is useless, I''ve tried searching for a story using the engine that I knew for a fact had been on there previously and it just wouldn''t show up... it was only a local interest story which a mate of mine had appeared in so unless he''d made controversial remarks regarding the Queen I doubt there''d be a censorship issue there...Have to say, though, I laughed out loud at Percy''s use of the words: "the facts, as reported by the press"... like there was ever any chance of Archant''s stories on the matter resembling ''fact''.... [;)]

[Tim Allman 1]

[quote user="Sports Desk - Pete"]Apologies to all the conspiracy theorists out there but no Cullum story has been intentionally removed from either site, it''s just our rubbish search engine and online archive.[/quote]

Cheers. I thought it would be this. Looks like Pete posted this as I was typing.

 

[canary cherub 1]

[quote user="Tim Allman"]

Hello Potless Percy,

I''m not sure whether the Cullum links have been removed from the site or whether the archive seach facility does not find them. I did ask the web team this question a year or so ago (I was trying to find an old article I had written) and was told that the search facility wasn''t the best, and need to be upgraded or revamped to get it to find old stories.

Maybe this is the reason as opposed to them being removed. Perhaps one of the web team will reply to this to confirm.

Tim

 

[/quote]

The only thing is Tim, that you can click on the actual links (which can be found on some of the threads that were posted on here in July), but they go to an empty page.  It''s not just a case of using the search engine. 

I''m still sceptical I''m afraid.

 

[pennywise 0]

[quote user="Potless Percy "]

As most of you know, all the articles in the local press about the Cullum saga from June/July were removed from the archive some time ago. 

That''s censorship, pure and simple. 

It was clearly done for a reason.  I wonder what it was?

 

[/quote]

         this is exactly how nazi germany started [:D]

[canary cherub 1]

[quote user="Potless Percy "][quote user="Tim Allman"]

Hello Potless Percy,

I''m not sure whether the Cullum links have been removed from the site or whether the archive seach facility does not find them. I did ask the web team this question a year or so ago (I was trying to find an old article I had written) and was told that the search facility wasn''t the best, and need to be upgraded or revamped to get it to find old stories.

Maybe this is the reason as opposed to them being removed. Perhaps one of the web team will reply to this to confirm.

Tim

 

[/quote]

The only thing is Tim, that you can click on the actual links (which can be found on some of the threads that were posted on here in July), but they go to an empty page.  It''s not just a case of using the search engine. 

I''m still sceptical I''m afraid.

 

[/quote]

Go on Archant . . . prove me wrong [;)]

All you have to do is restore the articles on the site.  Simple really.

 

[Pete Raven 276]

Of course you can still click on the links - the stories won''t be there though as they fall off the archive after a couple of months (see the King''s Lynn fixtures page to see how long a report on the feed survives).

If the links have dates on them though you can sign up to a two-week free trial to the digital edition of the EDP and find the articles there.

[canary cherub 1]

[quote user="Sports Desk - Pete"]

Of course you can still click on the links - the stories won''t be there though as they fall off the archive after a couple of months (see the King''s Lynn fixtures page to see how long a report on the feed survives).

If the links have dates on them though you can sign up to a two-week free trial to the digital edition of the EDP and find the articles there.

[/quote]

Thank you Pete.  Until relatively recently the archive was a lot more comprehensive than it is now, was it not?  But it''s entirely understandable that Archant are looking for ways to get people to sign up to the e-edition.  Nothing wrong with that at all, Archant is a business not a charity. 

 

[nutty nigel 7,902]

[quote user="Potless Percy "][quote user="Sports Desk - Pete"]

Of course you can still click on the links - the stories won''t be there though as they fall off the archive after a couple of months (see the King''s Lynn fixtures page to see how long a report on the feed survives).

If the links have dates on them though you can sign up to a two-week free trial to the digital edition of the EDP and find the articles there.

[/quote]

Thank you Pete.  Until relatively recently the archive was a lot more comprehensive than it is now, was it not?  But it''s entirely understandable that Archant are looking for ways to get people to sign up to the e-edition.  Nothing wrong with that at all, Archant is a business not a charity. 

 

[/quote]

I''m not usually one to run with your conspiracy theories Potty but I''m with you on this one. I have noticed the same thing for a while. This Bermuda Triangle for old articles only seems to have existed since the Cullum story broke in July. Much older stuff is easy to find.

http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/content/Sport/story.aspx?brand=ENOnline&category=Sport&tBrand=ENOnline&tCategory=Sport&itemid=NOED25%20Sep%202006%2016%3A02%3A32%3A317

 

[lappinitup 629]

Me too. I was trying to find reports of the AGM recently (6 weeks on) and.....nothing!  [*-)]

[PurpleCanary 6,384]

On the subject of Cullum stories, I''ve now seen a couple of references to an EDP leading article published on page 20 of the December 31st edition, summing up Cullumgate in the wake of his statement that he wouldn''t be in a position to help bail out the club.I''ve tried the normal search engine without success (perhaps it doesn''t cover comment pieces but only news stories) and even signed up for my exciting two-week trial of the e-paper, but all I seem to get with that are current pages without a search facility.The likeliest explanation for my failure is that I''m technologically illiterate (which I am) but I would very much like to read the piece in its entirety rather than just rely on the one quote from it I''ve seen. Is there a Good CyberSamaritan out there who can provide a link or even post the article? I would be grateful.

[Pete Raven 276]

At the top of the e-paper screen, the second drop down menu from the left provides you with the dates of publication. Click the down arrow then scroll down to December 31 and that will load that day''s paper for you.

[PurpleCanary 6,384]

Pete, thanks for the reply. You must understand you are dealing with a complete cyber-idiot here! I don''t seem to get any drop-down menus at the top - just the blank Page-Suite on the left-hand side and today''s front page on the right, with buttons at the bottom for going forwards and backwards through the pages.

[Pete Raven 276]

Not the easiest thing to explain via this forum so I''ll just post the EDP comment piece you were looking for........

Missed opportunity

It is becoming clear that the powers that be at Carrow Road looked a gift horse in the mouth when they rejected Peter Cullum’s overtures at the turn of last year.

Twelve months on, the club’s position is parlous, with relegation a very real possibility and boss Glenn Roeder in a straitjacket as he tries to find wiggle-room to do business in January, when clubs are allowed to buy and sell players.

With football clubs as liable to suffer during the credit crunch as other businesses, Norwich City’s stock is falling. You sense that if Mr Cullum came forward with any sort of offer today, club chiefs would bite his hand off. But it is apparently too late: an open goal has been missed, with potentially devastating consequences.

They include third flight football for the first time since the 1960s and – if we dare say it – the threat of financial meltdown.

Of course, a couple of heartening New Year wins could lighten the mood and get City moving forward again. But they would only paper over the cracks, which are evident at so many football clubs at the moment. Swingeing cuts to players’ wages, which are obscene in the light of the performances and the current economic climate, would be a welcome move.

But many fans will still be hoping that Mr Cullum has a change of heart.

[Syteanric 1]

[quote user="PurpleCanary"]Pete, thanks for the reply. You must understand you are dealing with a complete cyber-idiot here! I don''t seem to get any drop-down menus at the top - just the blank Page-Suite on the left-hand side and today''s front page on the right, with buttons at the bottom for going forwards and backwards through the pages.[/quote]

a "drop down menu" is something you click to go elsewhere, or arrange something. click on a thread on the message board and look just to the far right above the post it says "sort posts" thats a drop down menu.....

jas :)

[PurpleCanary 6,384]

Pete, thanks for that. I appreciate the effort. Jas, thanks also. I am (just about!) able to cope with drop-down menus. It was just that on what appeared on my screen had no drop-downs. Again, probably my incompetence. However, all is now sorted out and I can digest the EDP''s views on Cullumgate.

[Pete Raven 276]

I know there''s a browser/screen resolution issue with the e-paper and some of the drop-down menus - the answer to which lies in my work email. I''ll post it here when I''m back in next week.