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Will Roeder rest Marshall ?

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GR''s policy seems to be that after a bad game certain players get "rested" for a game or two, or even a season (ala Lappin)

I wonder if sees Marshall as fitting that category, after all he has this season reminded one of David James at his worst, I know he has played well for us on occasion but goalies have to be more consistent than other players because their errors almost certainly cause goals to be conceded.

Perhaps a change will be as good as a rest, as they say !

 

 

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Marshall seems to sum up the whole team to be honest.  Outstanding against Ipswich on Sunday (saves from the Walters one on one and also from Haynes header come to mind) then makes a couple of hashes last night.  That sort of inconsistency, loss of concentration etc is what is hindering us as much as a lack of actual ability.  Marshall is a class keeper on his day, just would be nice if he had a few more of those days.

Don''t see him being "rested" though for the simple reason there is nobody to replace him with.  Nelson is squad cover and the other options are too young.

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Marshall is possibly the biggest reason for our current league position. I find it unbelievable that he doesn''t get more stick than he does. How many points has he cost us this season with his howlers? Three last night, one against Derby, one against Palace, at least one against Coventry. Every game  i go to i expect him to gift the opposition a goal.

People say he''s a good shot-stopper. Well name me one keeper who isn''t a good shot stopper on his day. You don''t become a goalkeeper in the first place if you''re not a good shot stopper! He is no more than average in this department. He is shockingly bad on crosses, has no idea when to come or when to stay, and his lack of confidence ends up spreading to the reast of the defence.

If Pattison or Fotheringham had made two howlers like Marshall did last night, they would be crucified on here. Marshall is untouchable. And please don''t tell me he won us the game against the scum. He made one save against Walters. Granted, it was a decent stop, but any professional keeper should be saving 50% of one on ones. The Haynes effort was straight at him- he couldn''t not save it! What else did he have to do (apart from nearly give away a penalty!)?

If Nelson''s not good enough i''m afraid that''s down to Roeder. But surely he''s worth a try?

£1 million goalkeeper. International? Dont make me laugh!

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Don''t think you can blame Marshall for the second goal last night, and admittedly he came out for the first goal, but I''m pretty sure he was back in position before the striker put it into the far corner, but maybe I''m wrong. And Crab, yes Marshall may have lost us some points, but he has won us more than he has lost, his penalty save against Barnsley, his stop from Walters and Haynes (which wasn''t an easy save to make), his last minute save from Danny Webber against Sheff Utd, which ultimatley won us the game, it''s easy to accuse him of losing us points but he will win us more points than he''ll cost us.

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[quote user="ellis206"]Don''t think you can blame Marshall for the second goal last night, and admittedly he came out for the first goal, but I''m pretty sure he was back in position before the striker put it into the far corner, but maybe I''m wrong.
And Crab, yes Marshall may have lost us some points, but he has won us more than he has lost, his penalty save against Barnsley, his stop from Walters and Haynes (which wasn''t an easy save to make), his last minute save from Danny Webber against Sheff Utd, which ultimatley won us the game, it''s easy to accuse him of losing us points but he will win us more points than he''ll cost us.
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Just because he makes a decent save now and again doesn''t mean he''s winning us the points! It''s his job to make saves, just as much as its Croft''s job to put in crosses, and Cureton''s job to score goals. They get lambasted when they have a poor game. Marshall does it time and time again and barely gets a mention.

Okay he saved a pen at Barnsley. How many have we conceded this season? 6? 7? One save does not make him the penalty king!

The point, as made by Gorleston Jim, is that he has no consistency. Goalkeepers cannot make errors. At least not with the frequency Marshall does. This season he has been absolutely terrible! Name me a keeper we''ve had in the last 30 years who''s more gaffe-prone!

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Fact is Marshall is a terrific shot stopper.

However, aerially he is very poor, positionally he can be very poor, and he makes sloppy decisions rushing out of his area needlessly.

Still the best we''ve got though - Joe Lewis was a far better GK imo though, and should never have been sold.

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[quote user="ellis206"]Don''t think you can blame Marshall for the second goal last night, and admittedly he came out for the first goal, but I''m pretty sure he was back in position before the striker put it into the far corner, but maybe I''m wrong.
And Crab, yes Marshall may have lost us some points, but he has won us more than he has lost, his penalty save against Barnsley, his stop from Walters and Haynes (which wasn''t an easy save to make), his last minute save from Danny Webber against Sheff Utd, which ultimatley won us the game, it''s easy to accuse him of losing us points but he will win us more points than he''ll cost us.
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Ellis, a goalkeepers job is to err...... keep goal eg, save shots, its a bit like signing a striker that cant hit the target. Yes hes made saves and done his job in some games, but hes also cost us points in the same way a striker would have cost us points had he missed a penalty or sitter etc. The thing is there is no way i would drop him for leyton orients 3rd choice keeper last season stuart nelson. This all brings us back to the fact roeder should never have sold joe lewis-who didnt want to leave, just so he could make some crap loan signings.

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[quote user="Arthur Whittle"]

[quote user="ellis206"]Don''t think you can blame Marshall for the second goal last night, and admittedly he came out for the first goal, but I''m pretty sure he was back in position before the striker put it into the far corner, but maybe I''m wrong.
And Crab, yes Marshall may have lost us some points, but he has won us more than he has lost, his penalty save against Barnsley, his stop from Walters and Haynes (which wasn''t an easy save to make), his last minute save from Danny Webber against Sheff Utd, which ultimatley won us the game, it''s easy to accuse him of losing us points but he will win us more points than he''ll cost us.
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Ellis, a goalkeepers job is to err...... keep goal eg, save shots, its a bit like signing a striker that cant hit the target. Yes hes made saves and done his job in some games, but hes also cost us points in the same way a striker would have cost us points had he missed a penalty or sitter etc. The thing is there is no way i would drop him for leyton orients 3rd choice keeper last season stuart nelson. This all brings us back to the fact roeder should never have sold joe lewis-who didnt want to leave, just so he could make some crap loan signings.

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I have to agree with that Arthur. Nelson doesn''t inspire confidence, and Joe has already been in an England squad. Go figure, as our American friends say.

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How is Nelson getting judged here? I have to say i haven''t seen him at all so don''t feel able to comment, but i''d have thought if he''s good enough for the bench then give him a chance.

And how about the two young lads? Okay, not ideal but sometimes you have to throw kids in the deep end. Joe Lewis was never given an chance. Do we really have to wait til they''re 22/23 before we give them a go?

Nelson may not inspire confidence as you say. But can anyone really say they''re confident with Marshall?

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[quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="Arthur Whittle"]

[quote user="ellis206"]Don''t think you can blame Marshall for the second goal last night, and admittedly he came out for the first goal, but I''m pretty sure he was back in position before the striker put it into the far corner, but maybe I''m wrong.
And Crab, yes Marshall may have lost us some points, but he has won us more than he has lost, his penalty save against Barnsley, his stop from Walters and Haynes (which wasn''t an easy save to make), his last minute save from Danny Webber against Sheff Utd, which ultimatley won us the game, it''s easy to accuse him of losing us points but he will win us more points than he''ll cost us.
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Ellis, a goalkeepers job is to err...... keep goal eg, save shots, its a bit like signing a striker that cant hit the target. Yes hes made saves and done his job in some games, but hes also cost us points in the same way a striker would have cost us points had he missed a penalty or sitter etc. The thing is there is no way i would drop him for leyton orients 3rd choice keeper last season stuart nelson. This all brings us back to the fact roeder should never have sold joe lewis-who didnt want to leave, just so he could make some crap loan signings.

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I have to agree with that Arthur. Nelson doesn''t inspire confidence, and Joe has already been in an England squad. Go figure, as our American friends say.

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Like I said, joe was forced out to pay for dodgy loans, how we may come to regret not having him as an option.

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If Marshall gets dropped so does his price tag. Lets hope he has a few decent games prior to Christmas so he doesnt devalue because I can promise you he will almost certainly be leaving in January. And so will Croft and maybe Clingan.

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From what i''ve seen of Nelson he isn''t good enough. He shouts at the defence a lot, and seems quite confident, but just doesn''t have the ability. After all, his record at Orient isn''t great. Even at the time we sold him I maintained Joe Lewis was far better all round than Marshall, and should have been in the first team - now we are left in a sticky situation. Rudd perhaps? Probably too young. Steer - certainly too young, although I think he has more potential than Rudd from watching them both.

I just hope one day Joe will get the chance to play for his hometown club.

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[quote user="Arthur Whittle"]

[quote user="ellis206"]Don''t think you can blame Marshall for the second goal last night, and admittedly he came out for the first goal, but I''m pretty sure he was back in position before the striker put it into the far corner, but maybe I''m wrong. And Crab, yes Marshall may have lost us some points, but he has won us more than he has lost, his penalty save against Barnsley, his stop from Walters and Haynes (which wasn''t an easy save to make), his last minute save from Danny Webber against Sheff Utd, which ultimatley won us the game, it''s easy to accuse him of losing us points but he will win us more points than he''ll cost us. [/quote]

Ellis, a goalkeepers job is to err...... keep goal eg, save shots, its a bit like signing a striker that cant hit the target. Yes hes made saves and done his job in some games, but hes also cost us points in the same way a striker would have cost us points had he missed a penalty or sitter etc. The thing is there is no way i would drop him for leyton orients 3rd choice keeper last season stuart nelson. This all brings us back to the fact roeder should never have sold joe lewis-who didnt want to leave, just so he could make some crap loan signings.

[/quote]So when he makes a mistake he is costing us a point, but when he makes a fantastic save he isn''t gaining us points he is just doing his job?Seems a bit unfair to me. He isn''t the best keeper in the world but he''s certaintly a good keeper in this division and we''re not going to get any better at this time. Nelson is awful, Rudd and Steer are too young. Marshall gains us more points with his good saves than he loses with his mistakes.

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the more howlers he drops the more his price tag goes down too!

Marshall will bench warm wherever he goes. if he joins a top flight club he''s got NO CHANCE of playing regularly as teams at the very top can''t afford a mistake.... Its only once a better keeper arrives at Carrow road that most on here will realise just how Sh*t Marshall really is/Was!

jas :)

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Hi there orient fan based up here in norwich and just thought i''d air my opinions (for what they are worth)

It seems that Marshalls recent performances have inspired difference of opinions but from my experience of Nelson you would probably be better off keeping Marshall in. Nelson is the ''marmite'' of professional footballers, some of you will love him others will hate him theres no middle ground

I for one when at the Orient did love him and was upset that we cancelled his contract , until I watched the goals of the season video and realised how many points he cost us with his infamous howlers !!

 

 

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[quote user="nip it in the bud"]

Hi there orient fan based up here in norwich and just thought i''d air my opinions (for what they are worth)

It seems that Marshalls recent performances have inspired difference of opinions but from my experience of Nelson you would probably be better off keeping Marshall in. Nelson is the ''marmite'' of professional footballers, some of you will love him others will hate him theres no middle ground

I for one when at the Orient did love him and was upset that we cancelled his contract , until I watched the goals of the season video and realised how many points he cost us with his infamous howlers !!

 

 

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Oh dear, I didn''t know that.

Seems he''s the same as the one we have already got, best leave things as they are Glen.

 

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It all depends on what Nelson turns up

I can remember one good game and one dreadful in particular

Good game against cardiff away in the carling cup we lost 1-0 but when you saw all the chances he saved it was an amazin display

But the 5-0 drubbing by swansea was a real low point for him dived over the ball for 3 of the goals , it was embarrasing for him to be able to call himself professional

I woodnt move Marshall but ive always rated him as a keeper from the limited viewings Ive had of him !

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Even by the standards of this board, the amount of idiocy is breathtaking.

Marshall is a young keeper. All young keepers are better shot-stoppers than they are commanders of their area or gatherers of crosses, and Marshall is no exception. The fact is that he is an excellent shot-stopper, who has gained us numerous points this season, including in our last two wins, against Ipswich and Forest.

There''s no arguing that he is prone to laspses in concentration, and that his judgment of when to come off his line is suspect, but this is true of almost all young keepers. If you''re suggesting that Lewis would have been better in this regard, you are off your rocker. And I was really disappointed by the sale of Lewis, by the way.

As Jay-Zed so rightly said, we have 99 problems, but Marshall ain''t one. Perhaps you''d all be better off concentrating on the fact we only have two fit specialist centre-halves, or no contracted centre-forward, or no money. We have a good, and very promising young keeper, who will either be at the heart of our team for years, or make us a tidy sum of money. Leave him alone.

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I think it''s equally breathtaking Robert, the number of posters on here who resort to name calling and insults when someone voices an opinion different to theirs.

 

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