If Worthington had never been fired....

[Fuglestad 0]

If Nigel Worthington had not been fired, say we''d made a miraculous comeback against Burnley, where do you think we would be now? Personally, though the fans would have made it impossible for this to happen, I think we''d be in a stronger position, and have a better squad than we have now. Obviously it''s easy to say with the benefit of hindsight, but I think if Worthington had been given time and the money we''ve spent since we''d be top six by now.

[AndyJR 0]

I think the players would be happier, oh and Hucks would still be here, two good things.

[GJP 79]

I think he''d gone as far as he could unless he had have been given more money, the money he needed.

I don''t think he''d have got us relegated, although I suspect some people will insist he would have taken us down.

[Fuglestad 0]

Presumably he''d have been given the money that Grant squandered, and the money Roeder has spent. Must be a good few million in total and a shed load of wages.

[king canary 8,750]

[quote user="GJP"]

I think he''d gone as far as he could unless he had have been given more money, the money he needed.

I don''t think he''d have got us relegated, although I suspect some people will insist he would have taken us down.

[/quote]Worthington had a fair amount of money after we went down, he just spend badly. Replacing players like Francis and Svenson with players like Hughes and Thorne was just poor.

[missing in action? 0]

the players had already given up on worthy hence the doc rugby tackle.as for spending money, i actually thought it was a joke about thorne until i got home from my holiday...it all went wrog for grant when he signed stuart. that was the downturn for the next few months.

[GJP 79]

[quote user="king canary"][quote user="GJP"]

I think he''d gone as far as he could unless he had have been given more money, the money he needed.

I don''t think he''d have got us relegated, although I suspect some people will insist he would have taken us down.

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Worthington had a fair amount of money after we went down, he just spend badly. Replacing players like Francis and Svenson with players like Hughes and Thorne was just poor.
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He didn''t have the backing to sign his top targets.

He had to settle for 2nd best.

[Fuglestad 0]

[quote user="jay kay"]the players had already given up on worthy hence the doc rugby tackle.as for spending money, i actually thought it was a joke about thorne until i got home from my holiday...it all went wrog for grant when he signed stuart. that was the downturn for the next few months. [/quote]"the players had already given up on worthy hence the doc rugby tackle." I''ve heard this one before and don''t quite understand the logic. So what do you think the Doc was thinking when he made that rugby tackle? "oh well the managers going soon, so I may as well have a laugh and grab this guys legs" or do you think that maybe he was so desperate to win and under pressure that he made a stupid lunge? Please explain what you think his thought process was.

[Shyster 0]

If Worthington had never been fired I reckon Northern Ireland would''ve made the Euro 2008 Finals. [;)]

[king canary 8,750]

[quote user="GJP"][quote user="king canary"][quote user="GJP"]

I think he''d gone as far as he could unless he had have been given more money, the money he needed.

I don''t think he''d have got us relegated, although I suspect some people will insist he would have taken us down.

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Worthington had a fair amount of money after we went down, he just spend badly. Replacing players like Francis and Svenson with players like Hughes and Thorne was just poor.
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He didn''t have the backing to sign his top targets.

He had to settle for 2nd best.

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Dont agree with that, Hughes cost 500k which even only a few years ago bought you a much better quality of player in the championship.

[kdncfc 0]

[quote user="king canary"][quote user="GJP"]

I think he''d gone as far as he could unless he had have been given more money, the money he needed.

I don''t think he''d have got us relegated, although I suspect some people will insist he would have taken us down.

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Worthington had a fair amount of money after we went down, he just spend badly. Replacing players like Francis and Svenson with players like Hughes and Thorne was just poor.
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Worthington was given bugger all to spend when we got relegated, that''s the reason he only signed Andy Hughes for 600k and the reason we are in the state we''re in now. Had he been given a big chunk of the 7 million parachute payment that season we would most likely have gone up. We are now suffering big time for the boards reluctance to invest in the team when we did have some money.

[GJP 79]

[quote user="king canary"][quote user="GJP"][quote user="king canary"][quote user="GJP"]

I think he''d gone as far as he could unless he had have been given more money, the money he needed.

I don''t think he''d have got us relegated, although I suspect some people will insist he would have taken us down.

[/quote]
Worthington had a fair amount of money after we went down, he just spend badly. Replacing players like Francis and Svenson with players like Hughes and Thorne was just poor.
[/quote]

He didn''t have the backing to sign his top targets.

He had to settle for 2nd best.

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Dont agree with that, Hughes cost 500k which even only a few years ago bought you a much better quality of player in the championship.

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I repeat my previous post.

He didn''t have the backing to sign his top targets.

He had to settle for 2nd best.

[Shaun Tilly Lace 0]

If Worthy had stayed on I think we may well have been relegated at the end of that season. He had been a good manager for us for a few years, but had reached the end of his shelf-life, as a lot of managers do. His relationship with us the fans had reached rock bottom, the atmosphere at games was becoming poisonous, and there was no way back for him after the Burnley match. End of story.

[Mook 0]

[quote user="shyster"]If Worthington had never been fired I reckon Northern Ireland would''ve made the Euro 2008 Finals. [;)]
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Yeah, like all the other major tournament finals that they''ve qualified for.

Not.

Sanchez was the only manager in 25 years that''s done anything good with Norn Iron. Worthington hasn''t failed, he''s just not got the chemistry that they had under Sanchez and it would be foolhardy to think otherwise. Although it is you.

[grantroederdisaster 0]

Worthington was certainly our best manager since Mike Walkers 1st spell in the early 90''s, albeit he had luck as well!

 

I apreciated what he had done for the club but in all honesty he stayed a year too long. He should of went about October/November 2005.

 

That last game against Burnley was painfull and proved he had lost the dressing room and the ability to install confidence into the players!

 

We might of scraped relegation or been lower League at best had he stayed but little more I suspect!

 

Worthys certainly better than Grant and Roedernowhere put together!

 

 

[Big Slob 0]

Probably no better no worse in terms of league positioning, but probably slightly better off financially and more stable

[Irish canary 0]

At the time Worthy went he had to ge, to many average players doing nothing, and we needed something fresh!

I wonder if Roeder ends up going in a month or so, will we be saying the same thing about him in a year or two if we had stuck with him?!?!?! Think about it people!! [:D]

[Irish canary 0]

At the time Worthy went he had to ge, to many average players doing nothing, and we needed something fresh!

I wonder if Roeder ends up going in a month or so, will we be saying the same thing about him in a year or two if we had stuck with him?!?!?! Think about it people!! [:D]

[Rasputin was a C... 0]

I think that it was the right time for Worthy to go. Perhaps it was even a bit too late and the board should have acted sooner. Had he stayed I don''t think we''d have sunk to the depths we are now but we certainly wouldn''t be up at the top. Although this is all going on the atmosphere that had developed at the time. Could that have been overcome?The problem we have is the board. They decided that with a year left of parachute payment and still a fairly solid squad of players to go for a novice. Most were calling for an experienced head who had been there and done it in this league. Of course some silly names were mentioned like Curbishley and so on, but there were realistic targets who would have been very happy to take over in my opinion. At the time we were still considered a strong contender in this league. I think the one year under Grant did it for us and Roeder has just lost it completely of late. I still quite like Grant, I think he could become a decent manager. I just feel our board went for the cheap option and have lost it big time.

[Stevie Wonder 0]

[quote user="Phil E Stein"]If Worthy had stayed on I think we may well have been relegated at the end of that season. He had been a good manager for us for a few years, but had reached the end of his shelf-life, as a lot of managers do. His relationship with us the fans had reached rock bottom, the atmosphere at games was becoming poisonous, and there was no way back for him after the Burnley match. End of story.[/quote]

Yes but had he been backed properly after relegation we might not have got to that situation. Lets not forget that in his 4 full seasons with us the lowest we finished was 9th. He has provided us with the 4 highest finished since we were relegated in 94-95 - Walker, Rioch, Grant & Roeder can''t match that. Had he been given proper money he wouldn''t have had to sign Jarrett, Louis-Jean & Thorne on freebies and Carl Robinson for £50K!! With say £4/5M he could have signed the likes of Sidwell and Little and had we been Top 6 then Ashton may well have stayed for the whole of that season ( we could have signed Earnie to partner Ashton...).

Yes, how things panned out Worthy had to go when he did. However, I do not think he deserves to be vilified as "the worst manager ever" as some on here do. He remains one of only 4 managers to win us promotion to the top league. Going back never works so I wouldn''t have him back but I certainly wish him well with all his future jobs.

[Chelmsford Canary 0]

I will never forget that day against Burnley!

I was part of the minority wanting him to stay - the chants for his head we''re so loud (It put the players off even more, those few weeks we''re horrible)

The fickle nature of football.

Very similar this season - praise after doing so well and saving us from certain relegation - this year, negative jibes that are causing unrest on the terraces!

 

 

[Fuglestad 0]

[quote user="Colchester Canary"]

I will never forget that day against Burnley!

I was part of the minority wanting him to stay - the chants for his head we''re so loud (It put the players off even more, those few weeks we''re horrible)

The fickle nature of football.

Very similar this season - praise after doing so well and saving us from certain relegation - this year, negative jibes that are causing unrest on the terraces!

 

 

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I have to admit I got to the ground and didn''t want to go in. So I went and watched the second half at the pub. Public lynchings aren''t really my style. Was the first home game I''d missed in years and I''m glad I did.

[The Chirp 0]

hughes was signed as worthington needed  to trim the wage bill so worthy had to buy a versitile player to cover three positions. hughes was this player. as we all well know this is never a good solution unless you have millions and millions to spend on versitile players in the ilk of essien. the board made him make these signings as they held the purse strings too tightly.... we all know that if and granted it is a big IF... but if the board had given worthington the money to spend at the beginning of the prem season we would have got ashton then... ashton would have scored at least 5 goals minimum before the jan transfer window... and got us the points to keep us up... instead the board let the money be available in jan as a last chance and the gamble was too late. the board has controlled the money, the board controlled who we got in as a manager... Roeder fan or not, you have to admit any manager who came in now would have exactly ther same problem that roeder has... we need money... like we did when worthington was in charge... we will only go further and further down the league tables until we are backed like we ought to be.... bit of a rant... my apologies...