chase or delia

[canaries 0]

iam writing to defend robert chase a bit back in 1990 i was sitting out side the corner between river end and south stand we where waiting for a game i cant remember what game i was his chairman office was in the river end and being kids as i was i the time i was creeping to robert chase .  then he said to me and my three mates neil and ky was there names do u want to come and see what the office looked like so we went to his office and watched the game from there thats 100 percent true.he came across as a nice man . now anyway  chase ran a 6 million debt up and was hated beleive me how things change i started protesting with fans outside city stand.  1997 delia smith became major shareholder 10 years few managers later were 19 million in debt wheres the differance.

[Beauseant 0]

[quote user="canaries"]iam writing to defend robert chase a bit back in 1990 i was sitting out side the corner between river end and south stand we where waiting for a game i cant remember what game i was his chairman office was in the river end and being kids as i was i the time i was creeping to robert chase .  then he said to me and my three mates neil and ky was there names do u want to come and see what the office looked like so we went to his office and watched the game from there thats 100 percent true.he came across as a nice man . now anyway  chase ran a 6 million debt up and was hated beleive me how things change i started protesting with fans outside city stand.  1997 delia smith became major shareholder 10 years few managers later were 19 million in debt wheres the differance.[/quote]

 

Morning Chris. Still suffering the identity crisis,then?

[First Wizard 0]

[quote user="canaries"]1997 delia smith became major shareholder 10 years few managers later were 19 million in debt wheres the differance.[/quote]Lacy underwear and no ***K........after that? sod all!.

[canaries 0]

stick ur head in the sand pal all u like

[Chrisr 0]

[quote user="1st Wizard"]

[quote user="canaries"]1997 delia smith became major shareholder 10 years few managers later were 19 million in debt wheres the differance.[/quote]Lacy underwear and no ***K........after that? sod all!.

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Naaah Wiz, I made Delia''s Toad in the hole last night (really good). Bet Chase couldn''t have done that!

 

 

[Yellowbeagle 0]

I would rather have Delia than Chase, let''s not forget he got the club came days from going out of business i think it''s easy to forget how close this club came to disappearing altogether. £6million then was basically financed by overdrafts not loans, the 19million is structured, also 6million then was more than 6million today. He also promised Deehan the money when we sold Robins and Sheron to buy a centre forward which he then didnt deliver, this may well have saved us from relelagtion form the premier league at a time when it was about to go into overdrive and we may have still been there now.

I want to see a change of ownership and/or new investment as much as anyone else,  i feel Delia has had good intentions but just made really bad decisions in terms of managers and where cash invested has gone. The players we have sold have always wanted to leave the club to better themselves, not like when Sutton was sold I still remember the look on his face at the conference there was no way he wanted to leave the club at that point, after Chase had promised us he wouldnt be sold.

Delia may have had her time, but i dont for one minute think she is as cold and mercenary as Robert Chase was.

 

[alex_ncfc 686]

[quote user="Yellowbeagle"]

I would rather have Delia than Chase, let''s not forget he got the club came days from going out of business i think it''s easy to forget how close this club came to disappearing altogether. £6million then was basically financed by overdrafts not loans, the 19million is structured, also 6million then was more than 6million today. He also promised Deehan the money when we sold Robins and Sheron to buy a centre forward which he then didnt deliver, this may well have saved us from relelagtion form the premier league at a time when it was about to go into overdrive and we may have still been there now.

I want to see a change of ownership and/or new investment as much as anyone else,  i feel Delia has had good intentions but just made really bad decisions in terms of managers and where cash invested has gone. The players we have sold have always wanted to leave the club to better themselves, not like when Sutton was sold I still remember the look on his face at the conference there was no way he wanted to leave the club at that point, after Chase had promised us he wouldnt be sold.

Delia may have had her time, but i dont for one minute think she is as cold and mercenary as Robert Chase was.

 

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"The players we have sold have always wanted to leave the club to better themselves" - to better themselves or not be part of a sinking ship? I think we both know the answer.

"let''s not forget he got the club came days from going out of business i think it''s easy to forget how close this club came to disappearing altogether." - yawn

[Official Joe 0]

It''s worth remembering the players Chase sold came through our youth system which these days just does n''t seem to ''churn them out'' like it used too.

[Carlos Valderrama 0]

[quote user="alex_ncfc"][quote user="Yellowbeagle"]

I would rather have Delia than Chase, let''s not forget he got the club came days from going out of business i think it''s easy to forget how close this club came to disappearing altogether. £6million then was basically financed by overdrafts not loans, the 19million is structured, also 6million then was more than 6million today. He also promised Deehan the money when we sold Robins and Sheron to buy a centre forward which he then didnt deliver, this may well have saved us from relelagtion form the premier league at a time when it was about to go into overdrive and we may have still been there now.

I want to see a change of ownership and/or new investment as much as anyone else,  i feel Delia has had good intentions but just made really bad decisions in terms of managers and where cash invested has gone. The players we have sold have always wanted to leave the club to better themselves, not like when Sutton was sold I still remember the look on his face at the conference there was no way he wanted to leave the club at that point, after Chase had promised us he wouldnt be sold.

Delia may have had her time, but i dont for one minute think she is as cold and mercenary as Robert Chase was.

 

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"The players we have sold have always wanted to leave the club to better themselves" - to better themselves or not be part of a sinking ship? I think we both know the answer.

"let''s not forget he got the club came days from going out of business i think it''s easy to forget how close this club came to disappearing altogether." - yawn

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Why is that a yamn alex? Its fact....

The only thing Delia is guilty of is not being rich enough to bank roll the club.  10 years ago when she took charge the game was not as money mad as it has become.  We need a regime change to go forward, but Delia is not a bad person. 

[The Fish Seller 0]

[quote user="Carlos Valderrama"][quote user="alex_ncfc"]

"The players we have sold have always wanted to leave the club to better themselves" - to better themselves or not be part of a sinking ship? I think we both know the answer.

"let''s not forget he got the club came days from going out of business i think it''s easy to forget how close this club came to disappearing altogether." - yawn

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Why is that a yamn alex? Its fact....

[/quote]It''s only fact that we were told this by the incoming Board. The overdraft was simply turned into a secured loan. A loan which through poor fiscal management we are still repaying under the guise of the securitisation deal.Chase could have secured such a loan against any of a number of assets but was hounded out first. Could Delia repay all the Clubs liabilities by selling a few players? What if Cullum put the wind up Delias creditors in the same way somebody did to Chases?Would it be pretty?

[komakino 282]

Can you imagine Chase coming onto the pitch at half time and saying ''where are you, let''s be aving you?''. The drunken chef has no integrity, but whatever you think about Chase, he had some.

Chase made Norwich a selling club, which I never had a problem with as Norwich will always make a loss excluding transfers. Get them in, build them up, move them on, make a profit. No problem. What is there to sell at Norwich now? We don''t own half the players!

Chase - no hero, but infinitely better than the rubbish we have now. Delia and Michael may mean well, but that means absolutely nothing.

[First Wizard 0]

The choice for me is like saying Hitler or Stalin.

In effect, there is no choice![:(]

[macdougalls perm 0]

[quote user="1st Wizard"]

The choice for me is like saying Hitler or Stalin.

In effect, there is no choice![:(]

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Nice and unmelodramatic as usual then Wiz? [:)]

[Yellowbeagle 0]

I doubt very much if we would have seen Darren Huckerby at this club had Chase been in charge, unless it was with a view to sell him after one season.

[vos 176]

There is really no comparison. All I need to ask is who is the only English team to have won at the Olympic Stadium in Munich ?? No is was not Liverpool or Man Utd, it was Norwich City. That same year we performed creditably at the San Siro Stadium in Milan against one of the top European Teams. And we all know who the Chairman was then.If we are not careful Delia will soon be taking us to Northampton again.

It was perfectly in order to have 5/6 million on overdraft because it saves money in that every time money was banked it meant less interest being paid. Also the overdraft was a genuine working capital facility because it was covered by "liquid assets" i.e. player values. We currently owe about £20 million which in the current climate is now attracting a hefty interest charge. The current value of players is " not a lot". This debt would be considerably more if it were not for the £5 million or so windfall profit on land bought by Robert Chase. Another factor which reduces the current borrowing requirements is that the Club benefits from £7million up front money from season ticket sales. At first sight this makes good sense but on the other side of the coin, huge discounts are offered to make these early sales - it might be a case of swings and roundabouts.

[Yellowbeagle 0]

[quote user="vos"]

There is really no comparison. All I need to ask is who is the only English team to have won at the Olympic Stadium in Munich ?? No is was not Liverpool or Man Utd, it was Norwich City. That same year we performed creditably at the San Siro Stadium in Milan against one of the top European Teams. And we all know who the Chairman was then.If we are not careful Delia will soon be taking us to Northampton again.

It was perfectly in order to have 5/6 million on overdraft because it saves money in that every time money was banked it meant less interest being paid. Also the overdraft was a genuine working capital facility because it was covered by "liquid assets" i.e. player values. We currently owe about £20 million which in the current climate is now attracting a hefty interest charge. The current value of players is " not a lot". This debt would be considerably more if it were not for the £5 million or so windfall profit on land bought by Robert Chase. Another factor which reduces the current borrowing requirements is that the Club benefits from £7million up front money from season ticket sales. At first sight this makes good sense but on the other side of the coin, huge discounts are offered to make these early sales - it might be a case of swings and roundabouts.

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I would have thought the eufa cup run was more thanks to the team assembled on a shoestring budget by Dave Stringer and then Mike Walker. Just as the win over Man U was down to Nigel Worthington not Delia.

If the overdraft was so manageable we wouldnt have had to fire sale Ashley Ward and Jon Newsome for well below their market value just to stay afloat. I''m not saying Chase was all bad he had a great knack of recruiting good managers (far superior to Delia''s) and agreed the land he bought was good business sense but then he had made his money in the building trade.

As for Delia taking us to Northampton, If i remember when Chase left we were well on the way there, he hardly left us at the top did he? I know it''s time for change of the current regime but the times under Delia havent been all bad and I believe her intentions have been better than Chases even if she hasnt delivered and held in there when should should have gone.

[vos 176]

Yellowbeagle said Chase was involved with "fire sales" to keep us afloat. I would have thought the recent sale of Jason Shackell for a £1 million was also a "fire sale". It surely must be so as otherwise we would not have had to resort to a local businessman to pay Lita''s wages so that we could extend his loan.

I agree Chase chose some excellent managers and dealt very shrewdly in the transfer market. Those abilities are sadly lacking from within the present Board.

[Yellowbeagle 0]

[quote user="vos"]

Yellowbeagle said Chase was involved with "fire sales" to keep us afloat. I would have thought the recent sale of Jason Shackell for a £1 million was also a "fire sale". It surely must be so as otherwise we would not have had to resort to a local businessman to pay Lita''s wages so that we could extend his loan.

I agree Chase chose some excellent managers and dealt very shrewdly in the transfer market. Those abilities are sadly lacking from within the present Board.

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Your right Shackell sale did have a certain feel of a fire sale and i though shackell was a decent player despite what alot of other people seem to think, but Newsome and Ward were probably are best players at the time, and we probably got Shackell''s market value.  But the fear of losing our club completely at the time Chase was in charge  for me was far greater than it is at the momment, not that I''m not worried about the way things are going, Delia''s run at the club feels more like incompetence on the playing side, while Chase''s felt like greed for money.