NOW we know why GR wasn't keen on Hucks

[a1canary 0]

"Dribble, dribble, dribble is for players in other leagues, because the football of the highest quality isn''t dribble, dribble, dribble..."

Personally Glen, i think that''s b*****s. How many managers tell us that running with the ball is a lost art? Presumably if GR was manager of Man U he''d tell Ronaldo that dribbling is for lower leagues would he?! If anything it''s for the top leagues. It''s when people who can''t do it but try and do it when it gets you in trouble.

[Mister Chops 7]

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lol. Im off to Waterstones on my lunch hour.

[walks on water 0]

Maybe, just playing Devil''s Advocate for a moment, it''s a sin in a similar way to how Fozzy stalls attacks and allows the opposition time to regroup ?...and lets face it much as I loved Hucks for us, we were so unbalanced as a team at times it was painful.

There''s a time for keeping it simple team play just as there''s a time for individual flair...it''s knowing when that is the art

It''s why I chose Clingan&Hoolahan as my favourite current city players, they collectively embody both

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[Ian 1,210]

I don''t think he says that dribbling is inherently low quality, but dribbling at inappropriate times instead of passing the ball is. As much as I love Hucks, he didn''t consistently set the Premiership alight, so maybe there''s something in what Roeder says?

[Thecanaryfan 0]

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BINGO

[Duffman 0]

I have to agree, with Glenn Roeder on this.Take Arsenal or even Man U as an example.    They get success from short and quick movement of the ball.   Yes, Ronaldo will pick the ball up and run and beat a defender but do you see him continually doing that like Hucks would do.....??Ronaldo will run and beat a guy and then next time he will pick it up and lay a short pass and make a run for the pass back.   This type of fast passing will wear teams down and thats why the top teams create so many chances.The lower down the leagues you go, a player like hucks who will always look to collect the ball and just run run run would be ideal and thats why I think Glenn said what he did.   The players in the lower leagues dont have the passing ability in their lockers to do what the bigger teams can do so a player who can run fast and beat a couple of people is invaluable but in the Championship and above teams can easily counter this type of player and push them out of games but fast acurate passing is very hard to play against consistantly.

[a1canary 0]

lol! I''m over it, i just thought this was an interesting insight that show''s Roeder is not in to this kind of player which explains a lot about what went on last year. I don''t think he disliked Hucks, but now we know he''s just not big on dribblers! Sure, pass and move, Arsenal style is something to strive for but when you have a player who can do for e.g. what Hucks did against Birmingham, i don''t understand how you can say that''s not high quality football or that there''s not place for it.

Maradona vs England, Barnes vs Brazil, Steve MacManaman in Euro 96 - he tore everyone we played to shreds by running at them.

[Mister Chops 7]

[quote user="a1canary"]Maradona vs England, Barnes vs Brazil, Steve MacManaman in Euro 96 - he tore everyone we played to shreds by running at them.[/quote]I agree with the first two, but never though I''d see Maradona and McManaman in the same sentence.I think it was more about Roeder not liking "big time charlies" which may be how he saw Huckerby.  There''s a famous story about Glenn Hoddle taking a training session with England, and being a bit David Brent by doing all his tricks and keep-ups to try and outdo the players... letting everyone know he was "the man".  Roeder might be like this in a different kind of way.

[Mook 0]

Huckerby was a fantastic dribbler, much like Thierry Henry. But the difference is that Henry makes runs, passes and moves, gives and goes, WITHOUT the ball too.

Huckerby did very little without the ball - and if you watch Arsenal, the reason they''re so good is the movement off the ball.

[a1canary 0]

They''re just examples of players who could run with the ball. Granted Macca was hardly Maradona but something possessed him in Euro 96 and i never saw him play like that before or after. But anyone who has two Champions League winners medals with Real Madrid must have something about them. He scored one of the best goals i''ve ever seen in one of those finals too - volley in to the top corner, outside the box, from a corner. Staggering!

[Lambo 0]

^ That goal was class.

 

IMO Hucks woulda been an ideal guy to still have around, i''d rather we have him that Lupoli or Koroma.

But there''s nothing we can do about it now.

[Binky 0]

[quote user="a1canary"]"Dribble, dribble, dribble is for players in other leagues, because the football of the highest quality isn''t dribble, dribble, dribble..." Personally Glen, i think that''s b*****s. How many managers tell us that running with the ball is a lost art? Presumably if GR was manager of Man U he''d tell Ronaldo that dribbling is for lower leagues would he?! If anything it''s for the top leagues. It''s when people who can''t do it but try and do it when it gets you in trouble.[/quote]

I tend  to agree A1 - and though I do think it was probably sound sense financially to let Hucks go, we have undoubtedly missed his talent IMO. Croft, Hoolahan and Chadwick can do it but have not always played a full part

Norwich have been known for their passing game for years - and it''s the sort of football I want to watch. But it does depend on everyone being able to make a pass and collect it first time, otherwise most attacks break down before they enter the box. (The manager talked about missed chances bit I didn''t think we were creating that many). So if say 70% of  our game is neat passing, 20% needs someone to run with the ball and make ground - and create a bit of excitement.  Neat passing can be tedious if it goes nowhere. I think 10% can also be the big hoof - and more if you have a genuine target man - just to mix things up. Bristol''s goal came from a big kick, as I think did Lita''s second goal aagainst Wolves?

[Syteanric 1]

[quote user="walks on water"]BINGO[/quote]

was his name-oh!

jas :)

[Fuglestad 0]

To be fair Ronaldo et al have players like Scholes, Giggs and Carrick to give a quick pass to, who will then in turn play a defense splitting pass to set up a goal. Even in our best side Hucks had Holty or Francis to pass to. If I was Hucks I''d have bloody ran with it. Even so all players at this level must be limited in some way. We didn''t want Malky to try 50 yard pin point passes, we didn''t want Holt to shoot. Hucks was playing to his strengths and he did it bloody well. I still think if he was here he''d be our biggest attacking threat, and I don''t think we have any players in the squad who are as good as he is. Sorry.

[a1canary 0]

This really wasn''t supposed to be another ''bring back hucks'' post. I agree with, or at least understand, his release on financial grounds and on the fact that he was definitely past his best in this league. I would have used him off the bench if we still had him and he didn''t want that.

I was just interested in Roeder''s comments to Hoolahoop re not liking dribbling and thought that explained why Roeder wasn''t mad about Hucks. Plus i don''t agree with him that there''s no place for dribbling in quality football sides, which is essentially what he was saying.

[HOCKEYMYHERO 0]

I took Roeder to mean there is the right time to dribble and the right time to give and go , this to my mind is fair comment  , wing play is all about mixing it up [ the old no i in team if you like ] Hoolahan is a real class act when he gets everything going  and if he has taken those things on board that Roeder  has instilled in him we will all see the benefits .

[Mook 0]

[quote user="HOCKEYMYHERO"]I took Roeder to mean there is the right time to dribble and the right time to give and go , this to my mind is fair comment  , wing play is all about mixing it up [ the old no i in team if you like ] Hoolahan is a real class act when he gets everything going  and if he has taken those things on board that Roeder  has instilled in him we will all see the benefits .[/quote]

Spot on, in both respects - there is a right time to dribble, and if Wes listens to Roeder he''ll be a better player for it.

[a1canary 0]

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[quote user="HOCKEYMYHERO"]I took Roeder to mean there is the right time to dribble and the right time to give and go , this to my mind is fair comment  , wing play is all about mixing it up [ the old no i in team if you like ] Hoolahan is a real class act when he gets everything going  and if he has taken those things on board that Roeder  has instilled in him we will all see the benefits .[/quote]

Spot on, in both respects - there is a right time to dribble, and if Wes listens to Roeder he''ll be a better player for it.

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I completely agree also - just that if you read the article, he sound''s like he doesn''t like to see it at all. Although to be honest, i was starting to have difficulty making sense of him. He deserves a place on the sporting quotes of the week page on the BBC site for this:

"Dribble, dribble, dribble is for players in other leagues, because the football of the highest quality isn''t dribble, dribble, dribble, it''s one touch, two touch, shifting the ball quickly, with occasionally, if the time is right, to dribble."

It doesn''t actually make sense, although i concede he says something about the time being right to dribble! For me, that''s around 1am on a Saturday night!

 

[Mr. Bump 0]

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Congratulations you just killed it..

[rocky marshall 0]

I think you''ll find that Arsenal have the lowest percentage of long passes in the premier league, but Liverpool, Chelsea and Man Utd occupy the top three positions of highest percentage of long passes.

Before you shoot me down in flames, these are long passes and not necessarily hoofs. and of course they have the players to play them, but fundamentally they play a different style than Arsenal.

As for dribbling, there are very few left in the game and perhaps they will have a greater influence in the future as defenders become less exposed to dribblers!

[a1canary 0]

[quote user="rocky marshall"]As for dribbling, there are very few left in the game and perhaps they will have a greater influence in the future as defenders become less exposed to dribblers![/quote]

Which is exactly why when he first appeared in the Championship, defenders didn''t know what had it them. There were enough dribblers in the prem to have a better idea what to do with them. Over time, Hucks got older and defenders got wiser. But a fresh hucks in his twenties would still give most defenders nightmares. I wouldn''t want Roeder to completely stifle Wes'' dribbling ability.

I wonder if young Thomas Huckerby can run with the ball like his dad?

[city-till-i-die 7]

[quote user="thecanaryfan wants the board out"][/quote]lmao...very good