why are people defending roeder..??

[singing canary 0]

i really cant understand how and why people think roeder is so wonderfull..infact it baffles me..

2 wins from 10 and poor judgement regarding players released and the ones we now have.

his record is similar to grants with several new players.

im sure if any of you lot who think hes the next ferguson had a bit of a chat with a few west ham fans and newcastle fans your judgement may at present be clouded.

two of my good friends one from west ham one from newcastle dont rate him what so ever infact i may contact them today to put on here what fatal errors hes made at his previous clubs.

 

[Carlos Valderrama 0]

Roeder is a decent bloke and a good manager thats why we defend him.  If our under performing strikers start to tuck a few away then we will start doing a lot lot better.

[Mister Chops 7]

[quote user="topcanary1971"]

i really cant understand how and why people think roeder is so wonderfull..infact it baffles me..

[/quote]Amazing statement considering what he did to keep us up last year.I don''t think anyone thinks he''s wonderful, but:(a) he deserves credit for keeping us in the Championship(b) he''s built a squad with no money which is better than Grant''s squad(c) even if we did want rid, which I don''t, there''s nobody better to replace him and we don''t have any money to hire anyone elseAnd his record is better than Grant''s, check your facts before you post.

[Saint Canary 0]

[quote user="Carlos Valderrama"]Roeder is a decent bloke and a good manager thats why we defend him.  If our under performing strikers start to tuck a few away then we will start doing a lot lot better.[/quote]Who took these strikers to the club and who''s job is it to get them performing?I am not saying I want Roeder gone, he has done a OK(ish) job but he seems to be able to lay all the blame on the players without ever accepting any himself.  Even when he makes bizarre selections and picks strange tactics.

[singing canary 0]

thats half the problem i have with roeder i feel he has poor judgement .

 

[Mello Yello 2,572]

If, as I think, by Boxing Day we''ll either be deep in the $hi*e or just floundering above the bottom three.....When January comes an'' there''s no money - and the loans are returned to their prospective clubs.....Where do we apportion the blame? The Fans? The Manager? The Board?......Or Fate?

[Saint Canary 0]

[quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="topcanary1971"]

i really cant understand how and why people think roeder is so wonderfull..infact it baffles me..

[/quote]Amazing statement considering what he did to keep us up last year.I don''t think anyone thinks he''s wonderful, but:(a) he deserves credit for keeping us in the Championship(b) he''s built a squad with no money which is better than Grant''s squad(c) even if we did want rid, which I don''t, there''s nobody better to replace him and we don''t have any money to hire anyone elseAnd his record is better than Grant''s, check your facts before you post.[/quote](a) He deserves great credit for keeping us up.  It was little short of unbelievable that he managed too.  How long does he get to dine out on it though?  Last season is of no concern to us now and we are still (at present) in the relegation mix.(b) Is it really that much better?  We still can''t keep clean sheets and we still can''t score enough goals.  Seems to me that some of the names on the team sheet are different but that''s all that''s changed.(c) I don''t want rid either, just about every successful club has built success by sticking by a manager over a period of time and I hope Roeder can turn it around.

[singing canary 0]

you say the team we have is better than grants.

to give away penalties the way we have is truely awfull.

hes had several months to bring in players we have known for about a year we need a striker .

most of the players are untested at even this level a risk id say..

again 2 wins from 10 is pathetic.

[singing canary 0]

i really hope we can turn it round believe me i do but i dont feel that optimistic

[Mister Chops 7]

[quote user="Saint Canary"](b) Is it really that much better?  We still can''t keep clean sheets and we still can''t score enough goals.  Seems to me that some of the names on the team sheet are different but that''s all that''s changed.[/quote]Norwich City v QPR, 8th October 2007Norwich: Marshall, Otsemobor, Shackell, Dublin

(Murray 46), Drury, Croft, Russell, Jarvis, Lappin (Strihavka 63),

Martin (Brown 76), Huckerby.Subs Not Used: Gilks, Chadwick.

Norwich City v Sheffield United, 20th September 2008

Norwich: Marshall, Otsemobor, Grounds, Omozusi, Drury (Hoolahan

68), Croft, Fotheringham, Pattison (Lupoli 25, (Cureton 65)), Bertrand,

Sibierski, Russell. Subs Not Used: Nelson, Archibald-Henville.

I''d say it was better, as evidenced by the football we are playing.  It''s going to take time.  Glad you agree that we need to give Roeder more time... he said to judge him when he had "his" players in, so the end of this season is probably judgement time.

[Mister Chops 7]

[quote user="topcanary1971"]

most of the players are untested at even this level a risk id say..

[/quote]Like who?  Name names.

[First Wizard 0]

[quote user="topcanary1971"]

i really cant understand how and why people think roeder is so wonderfull..infact it baffles me..

2 wins from 10 and poor judgement regarding players released and the ones we now have.

his record is similar to grants with several new players.

im sure if any of you lot who think hes the next ferguson had a bit of a chat with a few west ham fans and newcastle fans your judgement may at present be clouded.

two of my good friends one from west ham one from newcastle dont rate him what so ever infact i may contact them today to put on here what fatal errors hes made at his previous clubs.

 

[/quote]You sound as bewildered as I am TC

I challenge any pro Roederite''s to print off his CV on this thread and then try and tell us he''s a good manager with a good record.

And may I remind some ''blinkered'' fans again, that had it not been for a couple of clubs imploding in that last week, we would now be a league 1 side.

However, I fully expect him to compleate the task this season![:|]

[Have Heart 0]

[quote user="topcanary1971"]

i really cant understand how and why people think roeder is so wonderfull..infact it baffles me..

2 wins from 10 and poor judgement regarding players released and the ones we now have.

his record is similar to grants with several new players.

im sure if any of you lot who think hes the next ferguson had a bit of a chat with a few west ham fans and newcastle fans your judgement may at present be clouded.

two of my good friends one from west ham one from newcastle dont rate him what so ever infact i may contact them today to put on here what fatal errors hes made at his previous clubs.

 

[/quote]

Are you still talking S**T?

[Mister Chops 7]

[quote user="1st Wizard"]

And may I remind some ''blinkered'' fans again, that had it not been for a couple of clubs imploding in that last week, we would now be a league 1 side.

[/quote]You are an idiot.

[Saint Canary 0]

[quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="Saint Canary"](b) Is it really that much better?  We still can''t keep clean sheets and we still can''t score enough goals.  Seems to me that some of the names on the team sheet are different but that''s all that''s changed.[/quote]Norwich City v QPR, 8th October 2007Norwich: Marshall, Otsemobor, Shackell, Dublin

(Murray 46), Drury, Croft, Russell, Jarvis, Lappin (Strihavka 63),

Martin (Brown 76), Huckerby.Subs Not Used: Gilks, Chadwick.

Norwich City v Sheffield United, 20th September 2008

Norwich: Marshall, Otsemobor, Grounds, Omozusi, Drury (Hoolahan

68), Croft, Fotheringham, Pattison (Lupoli 25, (Cureton 65)), Bertrand,

Sibierski, Russell. Subs Not Used: Nelson, Archibald-Henville.

I''d say it was better, as evidenced by the football we are playing.  It''s going to take time.  Glad you agree that we need to give Roeder more time... he said to judge him when he had "his" players in, so the end of this season is probably judgement time.

[/quote]That good football is slowly ebbing away with each passing game though Chops and we are more and more reverting to long balls to Sibierski... seems to me we are currently in decline from early promise, not building from it.  I do remain hopeful but that''s my heart ruling my head I feel.

[singing canary 0]

ggod call wizzard.. i must admit i have read through his cv he had one good season with newcastle and that was a squad that was passed on to him, i simply cant justify peoples thoughts when we are doing so poor yet the players we released ie hucks has basicly set usa of alight and is playing better than beckham, and the guy we replaced him with dont turn up for training and cant even deal with the reserves , then roeder slates the guy in the press , cant beat a good public slatting to boast the players confidence.

my best mate is a avid west ham fan i will pass some details on of what rubbish he signed for them.

i dont like comming across negative but at the mo i dont like what i see im afraid he hasnt been here that long not even a year and hes droped some real clangers.

[First Wizard 0]

[quote user="1st Wizard"]

I challenge any pro Roederite''s to print off his CV on this thread and then try and tell us he''s a good manager with a good record.

[/quote]

In fact, tosave you the trouble here is his CV:

Managerial and coaching career

[edit] Gillingham

Roeder spent one season as player-manager of Gillingham, during which time he led the side to 13 wins in 51 games and saw them finish second from bottom of the Football League, escaping relegation after winning against bottom club Halifax Town in the penultimate fixture of the season.

[edit] Watford

After Steve Perryman left to join Tottenham Hotspur, Roeder was hired as the new manager of his former club Watford at the start of the 1993–94 season. In his second season with Watford he almost took the side to the play-offs, eventually finishing just two places outside them. However, he was sacked in February 1996 as the side were struggling at the bottom of the First Division. His replacement, Graham Taylor, was unable to prevent the side from being relegated. During his time at Vicerage Road he signed Kevin Phillips from local Hertfordshire team, Baldock Town for only £10,000.

[edit] Burnley

Roeder followed his tenure at Watford by taking a season away from the limelight, assuming a back seat role as Chris Waddle''s assistant manager at Burnley. The partnership did not prove to be successful and the pair narrowly avoided steering Burnley into the bottom tier of English football. Only a home victory over Plymouth Argyle on the last day staved off the spectre of relegation. Roeder proved to be both an unpopular and controversial figure to the Burnley fans, hitting a low point when he was reported to have said that star-player Glen Little was "not fit to lace the boots" of manager Chris Waddle. Roeder left his role at Burnley alongside Waddle when the pair departed the club after only a single season in charge.^{[citation needed]}

[edit] England

Roeder then worked as a coach under Glenn Hoddle for the England national team, before West Ham manager Harry Redknapp offered him an opportunity in club football again in 1999.^[1]

[edit] West Ham United

In the summer of 2001, Roeder was handed a chance to manage in the Premier League at West Ham United after the Hammers failed to attract Steve McClaren or Alan Curbishley after Redknapp''s departure.^[2] Roeder''s appointment was opposed by some supporters, who had expected a bigger name to replace Redknapp.^[3] Roeder received a £15 million transfer kitty, and guided West Ham to seventh in his first season in charge. He signed David James from Aston Villa, Tomas Repka from ACF Fiorentina for £5.5 million, and Don Hutchison from Sunderland for £5 million.

In the 2002–03 season, West Ham struggled. Repka had serious disciplinary problems amassing ten yellow cards and one red card in thirty-two league appearances. Don Hutchison turned out to be very injury-prone on his second spell with the club, playing only ten league games that season. West Ham were bottom at Christmas and at that time no team had avoided relegation from that position. Despite the January signings of Rufus Brevett, Lee Bowyer on a short-term deal, and Les Ferdinand, Roeder was unable to halt the team''s slump. Roeder had a dispute with striker Paolo Di Canio after he substituted Di Canio in a match against West Bromwich Albion.^[4] In April 2003, Roeder suffered a brain tumour and was replaced by Trevor Brooking for the final three games of the season.^[5] Despite a late rally, West Ham were relegated with a record number of 42 points.

Roeder returned to work in July 2003, stating he had "unfinished business".^[6] In the 2003 close season, many of West Ham''s star players, such as Trevor Sinclair, Joe Cole and Frédéric Kanouté left the club as a result of relegation. Roeder was sacked by West Ham in August 2003, following a defeat to Rotherham United.^[7]

[edit] Newcastle United

After nearly two years out of the game, he returned to football in June 2005 when he was named youth-development manager of Newcastle United.^[8] Graeme Souness was sacked as Newcastle manager in February 2006, following his dismissal, Roeder was appointed caretaker manager, with striker Alan Shearer as his assistant.^[9] He was able to turn the Magpies'' season around, rescuing them from near the foot of the table to finish seventh in the Premier League with a place in the Intertoto Cup. Freddy Shepherd, Newcastle United''s chairman, consequently named Roeder as first in line to become full-time manager at the club, on condition that Newcastle obtain dispensation from the FA Premier League to allow Roeder to continue without the mandatory UEFA Pro Licence. Newcastle claim exceptional circumstances as Roeder was halfway to gaining the licence when he suffered his brain tumour.^[10] The Premier League at first rejected Newcastle''s request on 3 May 2006, the organisation had little choice, as they are bound by UEFA rules. However, Freddy Shepherd lobbied his fellow chairmen and they voted in favour of Roeder being allowed to gain the correct licence while in the job. Roeder was named as Newcastle''s permanent manager on 16 May, signing a two year contract with the club.^[11]

On June 1, 2006, Roeder appointed Kevin Bond as his assistant.^[12] Roeder had worked with Bond at West Ham where Bond was a scout. Roeder believed the two of them would work well together, however Bond''s contract at the club was terminated after allegations he was prepared to take bungs for players whilst at Portsmouth.^[13] On the 22 October 2006, Roeder announced that, ex-Middlesbrough player and recent care-taker manager of West Brom, Nigel Pearson would be his new assistant manager.^[14]

Under Roeder, Newcastle won the 2006 Intertoto Cup by virtue of being the furthest placed team to advance from the Intertoto Cup into the UEFA Cup. This made Roeder the first manager to win a trophy for Newcastle since 1969.^[15] After the 1-0 defeat to Sheffield United at home on November 4, 2006, there was a fan protest outside St. James'' Park, that was shown live on Sky channel PremPlus.^[16] However, notably much of the fans'' criticism was directed at the chairman, Freddy Shepherd, and not specifically at the manager himself. Roeder''s fortune didn''t improve, as Newcastle''s league form was inconsistent, majorly due to first-team player injuries and having to rely on in-experienced players from United''s Youth Academy to compete at top flight level, with Newcastle maintaining a mid-table position. After guiding Newcastle to just one win in ten games, Roeder was summoned to an emergency board meeting on May 6, 2007.^[17] It was revealed he had resigned with immediate effect.^{[18][19][20][21][22]}

Roeder won 45% of his matches, enough in a single season to qualify for European competition.^[23] His departure was met with a mixed reaction from fans. Whilst some fans acknowledged the difficulties he faced in keeping senior players uninjured and respected his achievements as a defender in the 1980''s, other fans were farther intrigued by the availability of Sam Allardyce who had resigned from Bolton Wanderers just weeks before.

Former Bolton boss Sam Allardyce was named as his replacement on May 15, 2007.^[24][25][26]

[edit] Norwich City

In October 2007, Roeder joined Championship side Norwich City, signing a contract until 2010, with Norwich bottom of the league four points adrift of safety.^[27] His first game in charge was on 4 November in the East Anglian Derby against Ipswich Town, a match that ended 2–2 after Norwich had been 2–0 down at half-time. His first win came in the home game against Coventry City (24 November), which he followed up with a first away win of the season for Norwich in the 3-1 defeating of fellow strugglers Blackpool (27 November), who previously had not lost at home that season. He then guided the team out of the relegation zone with wins over Plymouth Argyle, Sheffield United, Scunthorpe United, Barnsley, Southampton, Preston North End and Cardiff City. The Canaries rose rapidly up the table as a result of this good run of form and, at one stage, it looked as though they could make a shock late burst into the play-offs, similar to the run under Nigel Worthington in the 2001/2002 season. Roeder began an overhaul of the squad in the January transfer window, releasing players who had been signed by his predecessor and who he did not consider to have a future at the club. He made the loan signing of Matty Pattison permanent and also renewed the loan deals for Ched Evans and Mo Camara. Also Roeder signed four loan signings including Matthew Bates, Keiran Gibbs, Alex Pearce and James Henry. Despite a poor run of form through February and March, Roeder kept Norwich in the Championship for another season.

On 25 July 2008, Roeder was fined £1,000 and given a suspended two match touchline ban at a FA disciplinary hearing after criticising referee Andy D''Urso following Norwich''s 2-1 defeat to Bristol City at Ashton Gate on 29 March.^[28] Both Roeder and assistant Lee Clark reacted angrily to Bristol City being awarded a 91st minute free kick from which they scored the winner. Clark was given a one match touchline ban and fined £500 for his part in the incident. They were both warned by The FA about their future conduct

A some of us say, an average to bloody poor CV..............and certainly not as good as claimed by some on here!  [:|]

[singing canary 0]

wizzard how cool are you...

black and white cv folks well done wizzard for all to see not a good track record...

[hogesar 10,766]

[quote user="topcanary1971"]

wizzard how cool are you...

black and white cv folks well done wizzard for all to see not a good track record...

[/quote]How ''cool'' is he?Are you ten or something?Sorry if im mistaken, but you come across that way.

[singing canary 0]

yes im ten mate here we go the insults sticks and stones

[Bury Yellow 2]

I think he''s had poor support from the board but like others I think his tactics and team selections have been baffling.

My biggest worry were the comments made by Dion about him at the Yarmouth meeting the other day and posted on this board. Very worrying i thought.

[singing canary 0]

bury yellow ...i didnt see it what was it .. if you can enlighten me please ta..

[alex_ncfc 686]

[quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="Saint Canary"]
(b) Is it really that much better?  We still can''t keep clean sheets and we still can''t score enough goals.  Seems to me that some of the names on the team sheet are different but that''s all that''s changed.
[/quote]

Norwich City v QPR, 8th October 2007

Norwich: Marshall, Otsemobor, Shackell, Dublin (Murray 46), Drury, Croft, Russell, Jarvis, Lappin (Strihavka 63), Martin (Brown 76), Huckerby.
Subs Not Used: Gilks, Chadwick.

Norwich City v Sheffield United, 20th September 2008

Norwich: Marshall, Otsemobor, Grounds, Omozusi, Drury (Hoolahan 68), Croft, Fotheringham, Pattison (Lupoli 25, (Cureton 65)), Bertrand, Sibierski, Russell.
Subs Not Used: Nelson, Archibald-Henville.

I''d say it was better, as evidenced by the football we are playing.  It''s going to take time.  Glad you agree that we need to give Roeder more time... he said to judge him when he had "his" players in, so the end of this season is probably judgement time.

[/quote]

Sorry but these squads are just as piss poor as each other - and Grant didn''t rely on "emergency loans" either. I challenge you to type in what our starting 11 will look like without the loan players. Because, you seem to have forgotten, they are not our players or "his" - and what''s the point in playing better football when the results are the same?

[Syteanric 1]

why are people defending roeder..??

easy to answet this.. because he is working with his hands tied.. there is no money for players, so he has had to sign players not of the quality to push us up the league, I dont think he''s the next alex ferguson but i think he''s good enough for us.. with the right backing he could take us up.... Whether he could keep us there is a debate for another day...

jas :)

[Mister Chops 7]

[quote user="alex_ncfc"]

I challenge you to type in what our starting 11 will look like without the loan players.

[/quote]That is completely irrelevant.  They are Norwich players until their loans expire.

[alex_ncfc 686]

[quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="alex_ncfc"]

I challenge you to type in what our starting 11 will look like without the loan players.

[/quote]

That is completely irrelevant.  They are Norwich players until their loans expire.
[/quote]

How the hell is it irrelevant?!

They are not ours - hence when they go, then what? More loans? Likewise, they won''t be ours - we will not be buying them. So MC, considering when they go back we will have to "go with what we''ve got", playing our leftovers, I am still waiting to hear how it is irrelevant? I asked the question what will our squad be like without the loans and challeneged you to compare it to the squad from the game you cherry picked from last year.

[Shack Attack 0]

Yeah Chopsy, why can''t you answer a question that has been loaded with such a ridiculous set of parameters that it will certainly prove Alex to be correct [:@][:|][;)]

[bringbackterraces 0]

I don''t defend Roeder in fact I''m belwildered by some of his decisions, the Huckerby release being the biggest c**k up so far but I''m not sure that until we get new owners where we''d be much if any better of by getting rid of him?

 

Though its hard to see where its going to get any better, with only a relegation battle to look forward(!!) to!

Yes he dragged us out of the mire last season but he also prolonged the wait for safety by taking his foot of the pedal from January and by taking useless some loan players from teams of mates of his when it was obvious that if we''d of really pushed in the transfer window, got some Taylor and another good player and got serious then we could of made a serious push for the play offs!

[alex_ncfc 686]

[quote user="Shack Attack"]Yeah Chopsy, why can''t you answer a question that has been loaded with such a ridiculous set of parameters that it will certainly prove Alex to be correct [:@][:|][;)]
[/quote]

Err, one "parameter" - a squad without the loans.

[Syteanric 1]

[quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="1st Wizard"]

And may I remind some ''blinkered'' fans again, that had it not been for a couple of clubs imploding in that last week, we would now be a league 1 side.

[/quote]

You are an idiot.

[/quote]

to be fair to wiz he is right.. if we hadn''t of beaten QPR the results on the last day of the season would of seen us relegated

jas :)