I'm embarrassed and rather ashamed of

[Messiah 0]

...how two people who have donated a considerable sum of money these recent years have been turned into pariahs by fans of NCFC.Where would we truly be had they not come to our aid all those years ago? No doubt some more vitriol will be used as a response to this post. I, however, am happy to stick my neck out and say thanks to them both.If you haters think we would be in less s*@t if they hadn''t poured £11m into NCFC as they have done, then you want your heads checked.

[KeelansGlove 0]

No vitriol from me.

Although I would say I have no idea where we would be without them although I cannot be certain we wouldn''t be better off.

I thank them both too, but it doesn''t mean i cannot question there record or comtemplate the possibility that someone else might have done a better job.

[walks on water 0]

No vitriol from me. I have been thinking/feeling the same.

Unfashionable though it is.

Sad isn''t it.

 

[Graham Humphrey 13]

I guess it''s obvious what I think, but I do have to say some of the stuff that gets directed Delia and Michael''s way is pathetic. I don''t see why people need to throw loads of personal abuse their way. While I think they can''t take the club any further and we are constantly going backwards, and they seem to be PR disasters a lot of the time, I do think they''ve done everything they have with their hearts in the right place but I think they''ve often got their priorities wrong and possibly been a bit naive at times too.I just hope that if anything is going to happen where investment is concerned it happens quickly as ultimately the club and the supporters suffer more than anyone. We''re all incredibly frustrated and I don''t think there is any fan who doesn''t want money put into the club, but I hope Delia and Michael are allowed a dignified exit (if indeed they do quit completely) and I think we should remember what good things they have done for the club, even if it all seems in the distant past now.

[Messiah 0]

[quote user="Graham Humphrey"]I guess it''s obvious what I think, but I do have to say some of the stuff that gets directed Delia and Michael''s way is pathetic. I don''t see why people need to throw loads of personal abuse their way. While I think they can''t take the club any further and we are constantly going backwards, and they seem to be PR disasters a lot of the time, I do think they''ve done everything they have with their hearts in the right place but I think they''ve often got their priorities wrong and possibly been a bit naive at times too.I just hope that if anything is going to happen where investment is concerned it happens quickly as ultimately the club and the supporters suffer more than anyone. We''re all incredibly frustrated and I don''t think there is any fan who doesn''t want money put into the club, but I hope Delia and Michael are allowed a dignified exit (if indeed they do quit completely) and I think we should remember what good things they have done for the club, even if it all seems in the distant past now.

[/quote]well put sir.

[Cannycanary 0]

[quote user="Graham Humphrey"]I guess it''s obvious what I think, but I do have to say some of the stuff that gets directed Delia and Michael''s way is pathetic. I don''t see why people need to throw loads of personal abuse their way. While I think they can''t take the club any further and we are constantly going backwards, and they seem to be PR disasters a lot of the time, I do think they''ve done everything they have with their hearts in the right place but I think they''ve often got their priorities wrong and possibly been a bit naive at times too.

I just hope that if anything is going to happen where investment is concerned it happens quickly as ultimately the club and the supporters suffer more than anyone. We''re all incredibly frustrated and I don''t think there is any fan who doesn''t want money put into the club, but I hope Delia and Michael are allowed a dignified exit (if indeed they do quit completely) and I think we should remember what good things they have done for the club, even if it all seems in the distant past now.


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I''m sure that the directors are as willing as the fans when it comes to donations... Would you invest to make it better? how many of you on this pink un board would?

[MyGodWeArePoorToWatch 0]

Sorry, but 11 million  over 12 odd years is shocking to be honest, the fact it hasnt gone totaly pear shaped is the supprise if you ask me.For a club our size to have such a pittance put in over that amount of time is just wrong.

[The Fish Seller 0]

[quote user="Messiah"]...how two people who have donated a considerable sum of money these recent years have been turned into pariahs by fans of NCFC.Where would we truly be had they not come to our aid all those years ago? No doubt some more vitriol will be used as a response to this post. I, however, am happy to stick my neck out and say thanks to them both.If you haters think we would be in less s*@t if they hadn''t poured £11m into NCFC as they have done, then you want your heads checked.[/quote]How wanting more out than you''ve put in is construed as ''donating'' escapes me.£11m (questionable amount in the least) over 12 years is more  ''drip'' than ''pour'' at a Club of this size. Notable that many who applaud this sub £1m per season investment for D & MWJ pour scorn upon the paltry £20m PC was looking at putting in up front.

[ellis206 0]

[quote user="the1englishman"]Sorry, but 11 million  over 12 odd years is shocking to be honest, the fact it hasnt gone totaly pear shaped is the supprise if you ask me.For a club our size to have such a pittance put in over that amount of time is just wrong.[/quote]Why is that shocking? Delia Smith isn''t that rich, and that £11 million would be a large chunk of her money, say you earn 20k at year, so 12 years wages would be 240k, would you be willing to donate 40k of your own money to the football club? You wouldn''t would you? and as I''ve said many times before, Delia is just a majority shareholder, the chairmen should be coughing up more money!

[Gonzo 0]

No vitriol from me....yet.

It will all depend on what happens on the picth. I''ve gotta say that Delia and MWJ, well the

entire board has done itself no favours with its secrecy and such

like. I do question where the money has gone, the point of a ruddy

hotel etc However I do realise the good they have done, the money

(their money!) and more importantly for me the appointment of Glen

Roeder. Had they made the Peter Grant mistake again I believe league

one messyness is where we''d be.

Anyways football is all that matters and if we find ourselves in a

relagation battle again this season I believe a change at the top will

occur. If not then bring on year 2 of the 3 year plan. In the meantime lets (hopefully) enjoy the football!

[Bobert 0]

Big thank you from me too, from my wife and kids and from their kids too. We have had some fantastic family times at Carrow Road and outside it too. Thank you Roger Munby. Thank you players, stewards and ground staff and the staff at the ticket office and the club shop too. Frankly the only time I have felt any agro about the Club is  when I have read some of the nonsense on this Board.The good times are here now. Lets enjoy them to the full.

[Dean Coneys boots 1,531]

Yes there is vitriol and anger and many comments that are inexcusable. The one that really gets me is when people do not even have the dignity to refer to the Smiths by name but call her ''the cook'' or somesuch. We must accept her support with thanks and ggrateful appreciation.

However I can also understand the frustration and anger of the fans. I think the pinkun article is a little disingenious- the media cannot have it both ways. Whip up a frenzy and then moan when people react! The fans have suffered woeful seasons of late and, because football has changed for the worse, we need massive investment just to tread water. To many, myself included, there seems to be a need for a new broom at the top- a fresh start. Mr Cullum seems to fit that bill.

My personal hope would be for Delia and Cullum to put ego aside, build a relationship of trust and work together. Why is it an either/or? Why not both/and? I love having Delia associated with the club- PC''s millions would go a long way to putting us back at the top of this division.

[canary cherub 1]

[quote user="ellis206"][quote user="the1englishman"]Sorry, but 11 million  over 12 odd years is shocking to be honest, the fact it hasnt gone totaly pear shaped is the supprise if you ask me.
For a club our size to have such a pittance put in over that amount of time is just wrong.
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Why is that shocking? Delia Smith isn''t that rich, and that £11 million would be a large chunk of her money, say you earn 20k at year, so 12 years wages would be 240k, would you be willing to donate 40k of your own money to the football club? You wouldn''t would you? and as I''ve said many times before, Delia is just a majority shareholder, the chairmen should be coughing up more money!
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When will you understand that it isn''t a donation!  It''s an investment on which they expect some sort of return, and I for one have no problem with that as long as the return is not excessive.  I do have a problem with people who continue to insist that Michael and Delia are Lord and Lady Bountiful.

 

[pete 371]

£2m pledged not given as yet, Saint Delia to the rescue yet again, not the Carrow Rd Spin cycle yet again or could it?

This £2m if it is that is obvious significant investment from a mere millionaire but will it be enough what next season where will the buys comefrom, in the world of football £2m is possibly a couple of months running costs.  Administration may be just round the corner despite Mumbles assertions.

Delia promised investment lets have real investment not just dripfeed, sorry she must go if PC offer is a reality.

 

[BGG&YPOS 0]

[quote user="Messiah"]...how two people who have donated a considerable sum of money these recent years have been turned into pariahs by fans of NCFC.

Where would we truly be had they not come to our aid all those years ago?

No doubt some more vitriol will be used as a response to this post. I, however, am happy to stick my neck out and say thanks to them both.

If you haters think we would be in less s*@t if they hadn''t poured £11m into NCFC as they have done, then you want your heads checked.
[/quote]

Agree, what she has put in is a big part of her wealth, although some of it is non interest free loans. At the time they took over it was good for the club, but since then football has moved on, so we do need better investment now to go with the times, but not at any cost.

[The Fish Seller 0]

[quote user="Messiah"]...how two people who have donated a considerable sum of money these recent years have been turned into pariahs by fans of NCFC.Where would we truly be had they not come to our aid all those years ago? No doubt some more vitriol will be used as a response to this post. I, however, am happy to stick my neck out and say thanks to them both.If you haters think we would be in less s*@t if they hadn''t poured £11m into NCFC as they have done, then you want your heads checked.[/quote]You are not the Messiah or even a very naughty boy.You are Rick Waghorn and I claim my five pounds.

[Messiah 0]

The way I see things is this:When Delia and her hubby came in, it would appear to have been the best offer at the time.Granted, "donate" may be a poor choice of words but whichever way you put it, money was put into the club by people who love NCFC. Therefore I suspect the interests of the club was borne in mind albeit long with personal investment.I''ve never really seen a big queue of investors for NCFC.My main point is that the way they are being talked of and referred to by certain people at the moment is cruel, vitriolic and wholly unnecessary.I agree that a change is required, but for people who have contributed to the club they support to be verbally treated so badly by fellow fans leaves me shamefaced.That''s my point.

[Messiah 0]

[quote user="Roedy the Ingrate"][quote user="Messiah"]...how two people who have donated a considerable sum of money these recent years have been turned into pariahs by fans of NCFC.Where would we truly be had they not come to our aid all those years ago? No doubt some more vitriol will be used as a response to this post. I, however, am happy to stick my neck out and say thanks to them both.If you haters think we would be in less s*@t if they hadn''t poured £11m into NCFC as they have done, then you want your heads checked.[/quote]You are not the Messiah or even a very naughty boy.You are Rick Waghorn and I claim my five pounds.[/quote]Hah! I''m not.If I was, I would change my surname to something les "carry-on" than his...... "Oooh maaaatron!"

[pak mei 0]

[quote user="Strawberry"]

[quote user="ellis206"][quote user="the1englishman"]Sorry, but 11 million  over 12 odd years is shocking to be honest, the fact it hasnt gone totaly pear shaped is the supprise if you ask me.For a club our size to have such a pittance put in over that amount of time is just wrong.[/quote]Why is that shocking? Delia Smith isn''t that rich, and that £11 million would be a large chunk of her money, say you earn 20k at year, so 12 years wages would be 240k, would you be willing to donate 40k of your own money to the football club? You wouldn''t would you? and as I''ve said many times before, Delia is just a majority shareholder, the chairmen should be coughing up more money![/quote]

When will you understand that it isn''t a donation!  It''s an investment on which they expect some sort of return, and I for one have no problem with that as long as the return is not excessive.  I do have a problem with people who continue to insist that Michael and Delia are Lord and Lady Bountiful.

 

[/quote]Investment my @rse it''s like you giving me a substantial part of your money and saying, if you ever have a change in situation foggo you can pay me back, are you happy with that, I think not

[Syteanric 1]

[quote user="Messiah"]...how two people who have donated a considerable sum of money these recent years have been turned into pariahs by fans of NCFC.

Where would we truly be had they not come to our aid all those years ago?

[/quote]

yes... Because

1. we werent that much in Debt.. how many clubs have gone out of existence in the past 15 years? 0 i think it was.....

2. Mr Watling came to our aid.. he would of sold Chases shares to the next highest bidder if the Smiths hadnt of come along.

Whilst they dont deserve abuse they dont deserve to behero worshipped as "the saviours of Norwich City" when the truth is far different.

jas :)

[Badger 0]

[quote user="Messiah"]...how two people who have donated a considerable sum of money these recent years have been turned into pariahs by fans of NCFC.

Where would we truly be had they not come to our aid all those years ago?

No doubt some more vitriol will be used as a response to this post. I, however, am happy to stick my neck out and say thanks to them both.

If you haters think we would be in less s*@t if they hadn''t poured £11m into NCFC as they have done, then you want your heads checked.
[/quote]

I agree with you. I think that they have worked very hard for the club and are passionate about it. The main criticism of them is that they have not poured tens of millions into player transfers. By football standards, they are not very wealthy and have put in a far bigger proportion of their personal wealth than could reasonably be expected. It''s just so easy to spend other people''s money.

[lucky green trainers 0]

[quote user="Cannycanary"]

[quote user="Graham Humphrey"]I guess it''s obvious what I think, but I do have to say some of the stuff that gets directed Delia and Michael''s way is pathetic. I don''t see why people need to throw loads of personal abuse their way. While I think they can''t take the club any further and we are constantly going backwards, and they seem to be PR disasters a lot of the time, I do think they''ve done everything they have with their hearts in the right place but I think they''ve often got their priorities wrong and possibly been a bit naive at times too.I just hope that if anything is going to happen where investment is concerned it happens quickly as ultimately the club and the supporters suffer more than anyone. We''re all incredibly frustrated and I don''t think there is any fan who doesn''t want money put into the club, but I hope Delia and Michael are allowed a dignified exit (if indeed they do quit completely) and I think we should remember what good things they have done for the club, even if it all seems in the distant past now.

[/quote]

 

I''m sure that the directors are as willing as the fans when it comes to donations... Would you invest to make it better? how many of you on this pink un board would?

[/quote]no - i could be wrong, but only watling has ''donated'' money to the club in recent years when he cancelled his loan to NCFC as part of his will...the present board has loaned the club money (which can be recalled or converted into shares) as part of a business investment...why should ordinary fans donate their money to the club free of charge - when the clubs owners do not??? if the smiths latest £2m cash injection was announced as a ''gift'' then your point would be reasonably credible...but it wasn''t, they loaned the money to their business,,,whether they make a loss or profit on their business then they come to sell is another matter,,,but it seems thet are looking to, by the price tag they slapped on the club when cullum came a calling...

[Mister Chops 7]

[quote user="Graham Humphrey"]I guess it''s obvious what I think, but I do have to say some of the stuff that gets directed Delia and Michael''s way is pathetic. I don''t see why people need to throw loads of personal abuse their way. While I think they can''t take the club any further and we are constantly going backwards, and they seem to be PR disasters a lot of the time, I do think they''ve done everything they have with their hearts in the right place but I think they''ve often got their priorities wrong and possibly been a bit naive at times too.I just hope that if anything is going to happen where investment is concerned it happens quickly as ultimately the club and the supporters suffer more than anyone. We''re all incredibly frustrated and I don''t think there is any fan who doesn''t want money put into the club, but I hope Delia and Michael are allowed a dignified exit (if indeed they do quit completely) and I think we should remember what good things they have done for the club, even if it all seems in the distant past now.

[/quote]Exactly.

[The Butler 0]

[quote user="jas the barclay king"]

[quote user="Messiah"]...how two people who have donated a considerable sum of money these recent years have been turned into pariahs by fans of NCFC.

Where would we truly be had they not come to our aid all those years ago?

[/quote]

yes... Because

1. we werent that much in Debt.. how many clubs have gone out of existence in the past 15 years? 0 i think it was.....

2. Mr Watling came to our aid.. he would of sold Chases shares to the next highest bidder if the Smiths hadnt of come along.

Whilst they dont deserve abuse they dont deserve to behero worshipped as "the saviours of Norwich City" when the truth is far different.

jas :)

[/quote]

No Jas the deal was already done BEFORE Watling bought Chases shares the pressure was put on Chase indirectly by DS via the bank.

On another point about the money invested, I asssume some of you have a mortgage the lender puts money in on SECURITY of your property. That''s what DS has done. BY converting the loans to sharesWHEN the club is sold she get a healthy return. There are enough assets to make sure a fire sale does not happen.

Don''t blame her for that, excelent for all concerned but please people dont keep making out she is some kind of saint. Just a fan with the right money to invest for a return.

[lucky green trainers 0]

[quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="Graham Humphrey"]I guess it''s obvious what I think, but I do have to say some of the stuff that gets directed Delia and Michael''s way is pathetic. I don''t see why people need to throw loads of personal abuse their way. While I think they can''t take the club any further and we are constantly going backwards, and they seem to be PR disasters a lot of the time, I do think they''ve done everything they have with their hearts in the right place but I think they''ve often got their priorities wrong and possibly been a bit naive at times too.I just hope that if anything is going to happen where investment is concerned it happens quickly as ultimately the club and the supporters suffer more than anyone. We''re all incredibly frustrated and I don''t think there is any fan who doesn''t want money put into the club, but I hope Delia and Michael are allowed a dignified exit (if indeed they do quit completely) and I think we should remember what good things they have done for the club, even if it all seems in the distant past now.

[/quote]Exactly.[/quote]agreed - i feel sorry that their exit strategy via the turners (imo) has gone west - and that clearly, to act in the best interests of NCFC - the fans need to rally behind the club while new investors are quickly sought...unfortunately, its often human nature to kick people on the way down - plaudits and brickbats an all that - but in life timing is everything, and the smartest people always seem to escape via the back door, before it all kicks off!!!i hope things move swiftly now, and that pragmatism and reasonableness ensues to ensure the club stays with its head held high - another repeat of the worthy saga will not serve anyone well - make no mistake...

[Graham Humphrey 13]

[quote user="Cannycanary"]I''m sure that the directors are as willing as the fans when it comes to donations... Would you invest to make it better? how many of you on this pink un board would?[/quote]I think I put enough money (season tickets and the like) into the club already, certainly as much as I can afford, thanks.Sorry but that sort of thing is the board''s responsibility, not mine.

[Beauseant 0]

[quote user="Graham Humphrey"]I guess it''s obvious what I think, but I do have to say some of the stuff that gets directed Delia and Michael''s way is pathetic. I don''t see why people need to throw loads of personal abuse their way. While I think they can''t take the club any further and we are constantly going backwards, and they seem to be PR disasters a lot of the time, I do think they''ve done everything they have with their hearts in the right place but I think they''ve often got their priorities wrong and possibly been a bit naive at times too.

I just hope that if anything is going to happen where investment is concerned it happens quickly as ultimately the club and the supporters suffer more than anyone. We''re all incredibly frustrated and I don''t think there is any fan who doesn''t want money put into the club, but I hope Delia and Michael are allowed a dignified exit (if indeed they do quit completely) and I think we should remember what good things they have done for the club, even if it all seems in the distant past now.


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Absolutely spot on Graham.I think that this just about perfectly encapsulates my own views. Of course,you''ll probably now also be branded as a "cardigan wearing old tosser" by Rock the Boat!

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,223]

Messiah - Donated or loaned?, there is a big difference.....

[Mr. Bump 0]

[quote user="Sons of Boadicea"]

Messiah - Donated or loaned?, there is a big difference.....

[/quote]

Exactly. I''ve been a big critic of the two and if they had donated it I would have been singing their praises. But an interest-free loan is just more money that we owe!!

[pak mei 0]

I think this post has gone full circle and become something the messiah would be ashamed at