norfolkbroadslim 225 Posted September 6, 2008 The other thread that I have posted today got me thinking a bit. How about a cup competition only for teams outside of the Premier League? i.e. Championship and below.Would it work, extra games? League One and Two clubs seem to cope. We have the Football League Trophy (Johnstone''s Paint Trophy). Some teams from lower leagues would invariably complain, but it would add more prestige to the event if it was extended to Championship teams.Maybe I am clutching at straws, but I think it should be considered. Lower league teams get the opportunity to win something, but teams in Championship are kind of ''in no man''s land''. Yes, you may get promoted to the Premier League, but invariably you will be relegated within a couple of years unless you get a billionaire willing to pump millions into the squad. You stand little real chance of winning either the League Cup or The FA Cup, either.Should the League Cup only be for football league sides? Perhaps, but I don''t think that would happen as the money in the Premier League would stop it from happening.Thoughts, anyone? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Chops 7 Posted September 6, 2008 Can''t really see the point in that. Many cup draws are the equivalent of the lottery for small clubs... get Man U or Chelsea at home, sell out the ground and make a mint. Remove that chance of a pay day and you have a fairly pointless competition. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkbroadslim 225 Posted September 6, 2008 [quote user="Mister Chops"]Can''t really see the point in that. Many cup draws are the equivalent of the lottery for small clubs... get Man U or Chelsea at home, sell out the ground and make a mint. Remove that chance of a pay day and you have a fairly pointless competition.[/quote] But its not removing that chance of the pay day though, thats the point.Leaguue One and Two clubs have the FA Cup and League Cup but also The Football League Trophy, a competition they can realistically win! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Chops 7 Posted September 6, 2008 [quote user="norfolkbroadslim"][quote user="Mister Chops"]Can''t really see the point in that. Many cup draws are the equivalent of the lottery for small clubs... get Man U or Chelsea at home, sell out the ground and make a mint. Remove that chance of a pay day and you have a fairly pointless competition.[/quote] But its not removing that chance of the pay day though, thats the point.Leaguue One and Two clubs have the FA Cup and League Cup but also The Football League Trophy, a competition they can realistically win! [/quote]You''ve confused me. In your original post you talk about a cup competition and extra games, then end up asking if the league cup should be for Championship league teams & below - so the same amount of games, unless you''re in the Premiership in which case you have less games. I suspect Premiership teams would fall over to back that plan, but would the winners get a European place bearing in mind they''re going to be 2nd division at best?Would this comp replace the League Cup and/or the Sticky Paint Trophy? Not quite sure what we''re talking about here.Didn''t we once get into the Simod cup semi-finals? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkbroadslim 225 Posted September 6, 2008 [quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="norfolkbroadslim"][quote user="Mister Chops"]Can''t really see the point in that. Many cup draws are the equivalent of the lottery for small clubs... get Man U or Chelsea at home, sell out the ground and make a mint. Remove that chance of a pay day and you have a fairly pointless competition.[/quote] But its not removing that chance of the pay day though, thats the point.Leaguue One and Two clubs have the FA Cup and League Cup but also The Football League Trophy, a competition they can realistically win! [/quote]You''ve confused me. In your original post you talk about a cup competition and extra games, then end up asking if the league cup should be for Championship league teams & below - so the same amount of games, unless you''re in the Premiership in which case you have less games. I suspect Premiership teams would fall over to back that plan, but would the winners get a European place bearing in mind they''re going to be 2nd division at best?Would this comp replace the League Cup and/or the Sticky Paint Trophy? Not quite sure what we''re talking about here.Didn''t we once get into the Simod cup semi-finals?[/quote] So I did lol! The main point of my thinking was extending the FL Trophy to Champ teams, and this is where the extra games came. With the League and 3 cup comps would this be too many games?The other point which I touched on at the end was making the League Cup being only for teams from The Championship and below, which as you point out would remove some of the potential big pay days, but there would still be the FA Cup. And a League Two side or non-league side playing a Champ team in the League Cup would still be a biggish pay day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkbroadslim 225 Posted September 6, 2008 [quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="norfolkbroadslim"][quote user="Mister Chops"]Can''t really see the point in that. Many cup draws are the equivalent of the lottery for small clubs... get Man U or Chelsea at home, sell out the ground and make a mint. Remove that chance of a pay day and you have a fairly pointless competition.[/quote] But its not removing that chance of the pay day though, thats the point.Leaguue One and Two clubs have the FA Cup and League Cup but also The Football League Trophy, a competition they can realistically win! [/quote]You''ve confused me. In your original post you talk about a cup competition and extra games, then end up asking if the league cup should be for Championship league teams & below - so the same amount of games, unless you''re in the Premiership in which case you have less games. I suspect Premiership teams would fall over to back that plan, but would the winners get a European place bearing in mind they''re going to be 2nd division at best?Would this comp replace the League Cup and/or the Sticky Paint Trophy? Not quite sure what we''re talking about here.Didn''t we once get into the Simod cup semi-finals?[/quote]What I am talking about is having a Cup Competition, one that is fairly noteworthy, that teams outside of the Prem have a decent chance of winning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaun Tilly Lace 0 Posted September 6, 2008 It wouldn''t matter how weak the level of competition was in this cup, we would still be knocked out in the 1st round! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkchance1 0 Posted September 8, 2008 The football league trophy is unpopular for teams with ambition in the lower two divisions. I remember the Anglo Italian Cup a few years ago and how unpopular that was. I suppose the idea of winning a cup without the big clubs is thoughtful but no one will take any interest unless there is massive financial reward for winning it. Perhaps if you offered the winner a wild card play off place in which ever division they were in.I.e. If Walsall were outside the top 6 in League 1 and managed to win the cup against all the Championship, League 1 and League 2 sides then they could make the league 1 playoffs a five team affair and make Walsall play against the 5th place team for a place in the semi finals. The same would also apply in League 2 and the championship, I admit its a bit extreme but would certainly keep plenty of teams interested and generate some money in the latter stages. Also the best sides would have to try harder to win to stop an extra team appearing in their playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
