WHAT A TOTAL MESS - Saucers of milk all round one last time

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[quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="Mr.Carrow"]

Beauseant, i have already stated that "i don`t innately trust Cullum", but you can NEVER know 100% how effective/honest/successful/trustworthy someone is until they are given a chance.  Did we know with Delia?  You can only judge by someones record- can you please give a reasonable case why we shouldn`t give Cullum a chance as Delia was when she took over?  Successful, respected, wealthy, City-supporting businessman versus a "poor millioniare" board who have made "mistakes" which have lead to the lowest finish for the club for 40 years and near relegation and have often been "misleading" in their statements.  Looks like a no-brainer to me......unless you are simply petrified by the idea of change?

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Change doesn''t worry me (as you''d know if you''d read my numerous posts elsewhere). Anarchy and financial disaster,on the other hand, scare the hell out of me,and at the moment we have a destabilised club with a cash shortage and no new investors.It is clear that it will take some time for due diligence to be carried out on any new investor and during that time the club will be highly vulnerable.As a fan of 40 years,I find that deeply troubling.I sincerely hope that Peter Cullum comes forward with significant funds,but I do not accept the vilification of the board by people who (like me) have no concept of what is involved in running a football club.I was around when Chase went,and I still remember how poisonous the atmosphere was,with "Chase Out" chants ringing around the ground as we went out of the FA Cup as we went out of the FA Cup at home to Brentford,and at various other games.Were you there,Mr Carrow,or are you Googling the past? A clean and relatively painless handover is what is best for the club,not the current "my dad''s got more money than your mum" nonsense.

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you just want someone to hold your johnson while you take a leak. totally spineless

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[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Mello Yello"][

Where you there Nutster....When the ''Mounted Nags'' - ''cantered'' down Carra? Or, where you "OOH ERR! Not bleedin'' likely! I''m ORFT!"..... You don''t seem the type to protest....more of a someone, who sits on ''defence''.....

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No Mello... I''m afraid you got me wrong there... serial protester, that''s me! Right from the 60''s when I was there with the best of ''em in The Barclay as we stood shoulder to shoulder bawling "zigger zigger zigger, Watling is a....." as your for forefathers hurled cushion on the pitch in their own little protest. But of course I was too young to understand what the chanting meant and when it was explained to me I couldn''t see the relevance of chanting that at our legendary owner.[:|] But a protest is a protest none the less. The next protest was tame by comparison but Watling brought more anger on himself when the board took the decision to change from green to black shorts because "they stayed smarter longer than the green ones" and they wouldn''t have to replace them so often. (Maybe we should play in all black this season) Then followed a period of  unprecedented success on the field and the protests dried up for a while. There were murmers of discontent at various times but nothing of note until "No Reeves - No Future - No Fans" [:''(] and we stood shoulder to shoulder  bawling insults to another of our owners who hold legendary status. We didn''t care that Sir Arthur had been instrumental in saving the club all we knew was that on the pitch assets had been sold for off the field investments. Bricks and mortar ruled and we blamed South. Results in the history books show that Robert Chase was the most succesfull of our legendary owners but his 10 years in charge were also fertile times for us protesters. First we marched to St Andrews Hall for an EGM because Big Bob had sacked Ken Brown, then we all sat down on the cold terrace because he''d sold Townsend and Linighan for millions and spent very little on Blades, Woodthorpe and Polston. We felt his focus was off the pitch and that he was spending peanuts on the football team. And the of course I was part of Mr Carrow''s protest outside Carrow Road after being deafened inside by Radio Bob''s Ghetto Blaster.

Being a grandad by then  I left the Worthy out march''s to the younger generation. I quite liked Worthy and couldn''t quite understand where the venemous hate came from. So I refused to join the hate mob. After all, Watling wasn''t so bad was he? Neither was Sir Arthur? Chase did plenty of good things didn''t he? At least Worthy wasn''t Grant. And the board were to blame all along anyway,  although not at the time obviously, only since[:S]

So maybe Delia Smith is not an evil self centred thieving old witch lining her pockets at our expense just like just like Geoffrey Watling didn''t really rhyme with zigger [:|]

 

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Like I said, beige...

[Mr.Carrow 376]

[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Mello Yello"]

I think you probably still wear the same ''anorak''.....that you actually wore in the ''zigger'' sixties.....Do you have any other interests or hobbies - other than the History of NCFC?

Have you actually thought of appearing on ''Mastermind''?

With your specialised subject being: "The History since the year hickory dickory dot, to the present day (including tomorrow and the foreseeable future) - of NCFC." will show the slightly interested viewing public - what a ''smarty pants'' you really are.  

Just a piece of friendly advice though, I think that it would be good TV etiquette, for you to leave your ''anorak hood'' down whilst sat in ''the chair''. Oh! and definitely no white socks, bright tank-tops or worn-soled grease stained ''hush puppies'' (and may I suggest you wear the slightly flared off-white chino''s - instead of brown tapered threadbare corduroy slacks). Don''t forget to conceal your pens and pencils in an inside pocket - and ensure your best notepad full of really useful and interesting statistics, is firmly tucked in your side pocket alongside your best conker, £1.35 in pennies and adorable (ut quite dead) pet mouse ''Donkster''....

I unfortunately think that you may struggle somewhat on the ''General Knowledge'' questions - as you do seem so target fixated on one central subject close to your heart.....But, your most commendable and intense personal knowledge of your specialised subject, will hopefully give you 100% and ''no passes''.....and should see you through to the next round.

You do need to get up to speed on finding something else as your specialised subject for your next appearance. How about, "The entire cookery book collection of Delia Smith - and including her successful tenure as glorious Major-Shareholder of NCFC from 1996 to 2008.".....You''ll do very well.....[|-)] 

You may even wish to purchase a new anorak with your winnings?[8-|]

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Of course it wasn''t an anorak.. they were known as "Harringtons" back then.. didn''t have hoods either.... we was quite smart.. the likes of us were rubbish at general knowledge cuz we''re not very bright but we was smart.. we used to stand outside the Main Stand waiting for autographs as we watched you well-to-do''s leave the game in your crimplene double breasted suits with those quilted jerkins over the top in the winter months...

Have you ever thought of entering your mate Mr Carrow onto "Call My Bluff "? .. I think he''d be quite good at making stuff up and making it sound believable...

DING! And the word is Infrastructure... Mr Carrow? 

Well... infrastructure is another name for a black hole where Premiership parachute money disappears in profit making Championship Football Clubs. It''s a relatively new word derived from excuses made by Football Club boards in answer to fans wailing "where''s the muckin funny gone" One such C/E answered the fans by saying "Well, we were in for Sturridge" So there you have it.. infrastructure is a bottomless pit in Football Club accounts to avoid spending money on the football team. FACT!! End of.

If this messageboard was a gameshow like "Call My Bluff" I could understand it. But surely if an opinion is worth having, making stuff up to support it only devalues it.

 

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Oh no, nutty "i`ve lost me marbles" nigel has lost the argument again so has resorted to accusing me of making stuff up....[:`(]  Funny how it`s only you who accuses me of this?  Some examples please?

[nutty nigel 7,509]

[quote user="Mr.Carrow"]

Oh no, nutty "i`ve lost me marbles" nigel has lost the argument again so has resorted to accusing me of making stuff up....[:`(]  Funny how it`s only you who accuses me of this?  Some examples please?

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“The fact that they have become increasingly dishonest “

“Why did she wait for protests to force Chase out and Watling having to step in when the club was on the point of anarchy? Why couldn`t she have launched a takeover bid before the club was on it`s knees? What applies to one applies to the other.”

 

“So she waited until the club was at one of its lowest ebbs ever before stepping in and getting Chase`s shares on the cheap then? Terrible.”

There''s 3 to start with Mr Carrow. And of course there was my favourite of the last few days "Norwich employ more people than Chelsea" In fact that was probably my favourite of all time. So obviously "made up" because I can''t believe anybody could be so gullible as to believe it.

 

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[quote user="Mr.Carrow"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Mello Yello"]

I think you probably still wear the same ''anorak''.....that you actually wore in the ''zigger'' sixties.....Do you have any other interests or hobbies - other than the History of NCFC?

Have you actually thought of appearing on ''Mastermind''?

With your specialised subject being: "The History since the year hickory dickory dot, to the present day (including tomorrow and the foreseeable future) - of NCFC." will show the slightly interested viewing public - what a ''smarty pants'' you really are.  

Just a piece of friendly advice though, I think that it would be good TV etiquette, for you to leave your ''anorak hood'' down whilst sat in ''the chair''. Oh! and definitely no white socks, bright tank-tops or worn-soled grease stained ''hush puppies'' (and may I suggest you wear the slightly flared off-white chino''s - instead of brown tapered threadbare corduroy slacks). Don''t forget to conceal your pens and pencils in an inside pocket - and ensure your best notepad full of really useful and interesting statistics, is firmly tucked in your side pocket alongside your best conker, £1.35 in pennies and adorable (ut quite dead) pet mouse ''Donkster''....

I unfortunately think that you may struggle somewhat on the ''General Knowledge'' questions - as you do seem so target fixated on one central subject close to your heart.....But, your most commendable and intense personal knowledge of your specialised subject, will hopefully give you 100% and ''no passes''.....and should see you through to the next round.

You do need to get up to speed on finding something else as your specialised subject for your next appearance. How about, "The entire cookery book collection of Delia Smith - and including her successful tenure as glorious Major-Shareholder of NCFC from 1996 to 2008.".....You''ll do very well.....[|-)] 

You may even wish to purchase a new anorak with your winnings?[8-|]

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Of course it wasn''t an anorak.. they were known as "Harringtons" back then.. didn''t have hoods either.... we was quite smart.. the likes of us were rubbish at general knowledge cuz we''re not very bright but we was smart.. we used to stand outside the Main Stand waiting for autographs as we watched you well-to-do''s leave the game in your crimplene double breasted suits with those quilted jerkins over the top in the winter months...

Have you ever thought of entering your mate Mr Carrow onto "Call My Bluff "? .. I think he''d be quite good at making stuff up and making it sound believable...

DING! And the word is Infrastructure... Mr Carrow? 

Well... infrastructure is another name for a black hole where Premiership parachute money disappears in profit making Championship Football Clubs. It''s a relatively new word derived from excuses made by Football Club boards in answer to fans wailing "where''s the muckin funny gone" One such C/E answered the fans by saying "Well, we were in for Sturridge" So there you have it.. infrastructure is a bottomless pit in Football Club accounts to avoid spending money on the football team. FACT!! End of.

If this messageboard was a gameshow like "Call My Bluff" I could understand it. But surely if an opinion is worth having, making stuff up to support it only devalues it.

 

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Oh no, nutty "i`ve lost me marbles" nigel has lost the argument again so has resorted to accusing me of making stuff up....[:`(]  Funny how it`s only you who accuses me of this?  Some examples please?

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hahaha Mr.Carrow that so reminds me of the digs I used to have at Nutty in my early posting days.... [:D]

[nutty nigel 7,509]

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I see you have carefully avoided defining Auntie as one of our owners of legendary status.

An inadvertent omission perhaps?

I mean we wouldn''t want some poor soul googling NCFC for all she''s worth to be exposed to such disinformation. now would we?

Dear oh dear oh dear, whatever next.

One love.

To the world!

OTBC

 

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It''s unlikely she would have legendary status amongst the fans while she is still the owner. That will come later, as it did with the others. Did Watling, South and Chase have legendary status when they were still owners?

 

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[quote user="Mr.Carrow"][quote user="lappinitup"]

[quote user="Mr.Carrow"]I want exactly what you want but following events of recent years i don`t trust them one iota to take a rational decision in the best interests of the club, so if a bit of persuasion is necessary to speed things along, so be it.[/quote]Where is this "bit of persuasion" going to come from then Mr.Carrow?  You have called for some sort of ''action'' on several occasions but, as I see it, every opportunity for you and other like-minded individuals has passed with a whimper. For example, why didn''t the Delia outers support smudgers protest? And why didn''t they make themselves heard when she stood on the pitch at half-time during the last home match?

I think that it''s a lot easier to hide behind a ''Delia out'' banner on here than to actually stand up and shout it at Carrow Rd ( unless of course all around you are doing it).

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What sort of "action" have i called for LUI?  Stop making things up.  I have seen first-hand how unreasonable and aggressive people can be when their cosy delusions are shattered when we were spat at and assaulted for protesting against Chase.  Funnily enough there are plenty of echoes of that idiot mentality on these boards but people are not self-aware enough to recognise them.

If there are enough NCFC fans left with clear-thinking, spirit and passion, protests will happen naturally unless the board sort things out.  There is no need for some trumped-up egotist with a banner shouting "Follow me!"  But probably the biggest influence will be when moderate supporters start to tell the current regime their time is up, hence my factual posts on here.  I think it started quite a while back and momentum has built.

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here here Mr.Carrow... I certainly won''t be leading anything...

Just sitting on the sidelines laughing at the spineless getting more and more frustrated as our club is ripped apart under their noses... I have said many, many times before that they are getting exactly what they deserve.  When they do naturally happen then of course I will be there offering my support as it is something that I believe in... but sure as hell it is up to one of the gutless who have mocked posters like me and yourself for so long to do something about the situation.

[nutty nigel 7,509]

[quote user="BlyBlyBabes"][quote user="Mello Yello"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Mello Yello"][

Where you there Nutster....When the ''Mounted Nags'' - ''cantered'' down Carra? Or, where you "OOH ERR! Not bleedin'' likely! I''m ORFT!"..... You don''t seem the type to protest....more of a someone, who sits on ''defence''.....

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No Mello... I''m afraid you got me wrong there... serial protester, that''s me! Right from the 60''s when I was there with the best of ''em in The Barclay as we stood shoulder to shoulder bawling "zigger zigger zigger, Watling is a....." as your for forefathers hurled cushion on the pitch in their own little protest. But of course I was too young to understand what the chanting meant and when it was explained to me I couldn''t see the relevance of chanting that at our legendary owner.[:|] But a protest is a protest none the less. The next protest was tame by comparison but Watling brought more anger on himself when the board took the decision to change from green to black shorts because "they stayed smarter longer than the green ones" and they wouldn''t have to replace them so often. (Maybe we should play in all black this season) Then followed a period of  unprecedented success on the field and the protests dried up for a while. There were murmers of discontent at various times but nothing of note until "No Reeves - No Future - No Fans" [:''(] and we stood shoulder to shoulder  bawling insults to another of our owners who hold legendary status. We didn''t care that Sir Arthur had been instrumental in saving the club all we knew was that on the pitch assets had been sold for off the field investments. Bricks and mortar ruled and we blamed South. Results in the history books show that Robert Chase was the most succesfull of our legendary owners but his 10 years in charge were also fertile times for us protesters. First we marched to St Andrews Hall for an EGM because Big Bob had sacked Ken Brown, then we all sat down on the cold terrace because he''d sold Townsend and Linighan for millions and spent very little on Blades, Woodthorpe and Polston. We felt his focus was off the pitch and that he was spending peanuts on the football team. And the of course I was part of Mr Carrow''s protest outside Carrow Road after being deafened inside by Radio Bob''s Ghetto Blaster.

Being a grandad by then  I left the Worthy out march''s to the younger generation. I quite liked Worthy and couldn''t quite understand where the venemous hate came from. So I refused to join the hate mob. After all, Watling wasn''t so bad was he? Neither was Sir Arthur? Chase did plenty of good things didn''t he? At least Worthy wasn''t Grant. And the board were to blame all along anyway,  although not at the time obviously, only since[:S]

So maybe Delia Smith is not an evil self centred thieving old witch lining her pockets at our expense just like just like Geoffrey Watling didn''t really rhyme with zigger [:|]

 

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I think you probably still wear the same ''anorak''.....that you actually wore in the ''zigger'' sixties.....Do you have any other interests or hobbies - other than the History of NCFC?

Have you actually thought of appearing on ''Mastermind''?

With your specialised subject being: "The History since the year hickory dickory dot, to the present day (including tomorrow and the foreseeable future) - of NCFC." will show the slightly interested viewing public - what a ''smarty pants'' you really are.  

Just a piece of friendly advice though, I think that it would be good TV etiquette, for you to leave your ''anorak hood'' down whilst sat in ''the chair''. Oh! and definitely no white socks, bright tank-tops or worn-soled grease stained ''hush puppies'' (and may I suggest you wear the slightly flared off-white chino''s - instead of brown tapered threadbare corduroy slacks). Don''t forget to conceal your pens and pencils in an inside pocket - and ensure your best notepad full of really useful and interesting statistics, is firmly tucked in your side pocket alongside your best conker, £1.35 in pennies and adorable (ut quite dead) pet mouse ''Donkster''....

I unfortunately think that you may struggle somewhat on the ''General Knowledge'' questions - as you do seem so target fixated on one central subject close to your heart.....But, your most commendable and intense personal knowledge of your specialised subject, will hopefully give you 100% and ''no passes''.....and should see you through to the next round.

You do need to get up to speed on finding something else as your specialised subject for your next appearance. How about, "The entire cookery book collection of Delia Smith - and including her successful tenure as glorious Major-Shareholder of NCFC from 1996 to 2008.".....You''ll do very well.....[|-)] 

You may even wish to purchase a new anorak with your winnings?[8-|]

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I''m told that a prominent Pink ''Un poster is considering an offer to appear on the first episode of a new series of ''Down Memory Lane'' centred around the theme song ''My Hooligan Days''. Expected to be controversial the mystery guest is slated to reveal secrets about the relative merits of various toilet papers for disrupting opposition goalkeepers and corner takers, as well as the relative merits of bananas and plantains as both projectiles and weapons of psychological warfare.

My, my aren''t our posters in demand.

No googling for our intrepid lot wrapped up in their M&S hoodies - just the plain raw facts from pristine, elephantine memories.

Classic radio. Listen out for this new series about life in Norfolk - as it used to be.

One love.

To the world!

OTBC

 

 

 

 

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Just because Mr Carrow claims to have been in close proximity to the mounted police doesn''t mean he has a hooligan past Bly. Or were you referring to someone else [:|]

 

[gazzathegreat 0]

I am sure no one wants to subject the club, or anyone in it to the final days of Chase. That season (and a bit before it) was the saddest time I can remember supporting NCFC. I remember that cup game as mentioned above. I took the decision to boycott all home games during the Chase Out time, I made that decision reluctantly - but thought I was doing the right thing. Times may be different now, but are the supporters? I really hope we don''t have to find out.

Do we really have to resort to protests and boycotts? Or slagging Delia and her crew relentlessly. I don''t think we have to, even if some of us might feel the need. Money is now far more important in football and she will either find an investor to her liking and stay, or go out amicably.

I passionately thought Nigel Worthington should go. I even went to a handful of protests outside the ground, but IMO the whole thing became far too personal and was aimed at the personalities involved rather than the decline of the club.

I don''t think Delia and her resources can keep up with the financial need of any football club in this league. That''s not her fault, just how things are. She and the board have made massive mistakes and personally I think the business ethos at CR is flawed but I don''t think they deserve the stuff Chase experienced. Money has been channeled into off field investment instead of the team, and we have to hope that now we have a decent manager the board WILL back him to the hilt and allow every penny to go to building and retaining a squad.

I am sure if Delia goes she will take all the money invested and make a profit. I don''t know whether that makes me resigned to the fact this is how business works or just hopeful that someone else will take over and be able to take us on to greater things and by doing so will give us some good times so we can resign the past and all its bitterness to history.

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You really are plumbing the depths now nutty.  I should find it funny but i actually feel sorry for you.  Rational, fair and logical thinking obviously left with your marbles so i`d concentrate on finding them if i were you.  Good luck mate [Y].

[Beauseant 0]

[quote user="gazzathegreat"]I am sure no one wants to subject the club, or anyone in it to the final days of Chase. That season (and a bit before it) was the saddest time I can remember supporting NCFC. I remember that cup game as mentioned above. I took the decision to boycott all home games during the Chase Out time, I made that decision reluctantly - but thought I was doing the right thing. Times may be different now, but are the supporters? I really hope we don''t have to find out. Do we really have to resort to protests and boycotts? Or slagging Delia and her crew relentlessly. I don''t think we have to, even if some of us might feel the need. Money is now far more important in football and she will either find an investor to her liking and stay, or go out amicably. I passionately thought Nigel Worthington should go. I even went to a handful of protests outside the ground, but IMO the whole thing became far too personal and was aimed at the personalities involved rather than the decline of the club. I don''t think Delia and her resources can keep up with the financial need of any football club in this league. That''s not her fault, just how things are. She and the board have made massive mistakes and personally I think the business ethos at CR is flawed but I don''t think they deserve the stuff Chase experienced. Money has been channeled into off field investment instead of the team, and we have to hope that now we have a decent manager the board WILL back him to the hilt and allow every penny to go to building and retaining a squad. I am sure if Delia goes she will take all the money invested and make a profit. I don''t know whether that makes me resigned to the fact this is how business works or just hopeful that someone else will take over and be able to take us on to greater things and by doing so will give us some good times so we can resign the past and all its bitterness to history.[/quote]

 

Good post,Gazza . As I said in an earlier post, I also remember the "Chase Out " days and never want to see a repeat.I suspect that many of the more aggressive and abusive posters on here have no first hand experience of such times and see what is currently brewing a some sort of great adventure.in any revolution the early days are heady as the blood lust builds and the old order is ripped down.However,the problems usually start when the reality of rebuilding hits.Its also the case that in the Chase era protests had to be made visibly,not from behind the anonymity of a computer keyboard,and I suspect that the reality is that the genuine strength of feeling out in the real world is much less radical than prtrayed on this forum.Hopefully ordered change can be achieved for the good of the club,but without personal vendettas.

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Beauseant - I am not convinced that the anti board feeling is the monopoly of messageboards. I don''t think the Pink Un site is unique in that feeling anyway, although it is one of the busiest.

Yes, during the Chase Out days of course there was no internet, nor did many people own a mobile phone, it was largely spontaneous, or arranged beforehand in pubs etc. It was awful and like many on here (and I do know a relative number of posters on here who were involved) got too close to the law, the horses and the general ill feeling which perpetuated the whole season.

I can only go on what I have learnt from personal experience, but have to say that two of my long term city supporting friends who were previously very pro the board are now questioning the motives and validity of Delia and co.

This state of uncertainty has to end and a swift decision reached. Whether or not it''s change or the status quo with additional investment so be it - all of this is NOT helping Roeder building a team. It would be a tragedy if Roeder walked due to the board/investment wranglings. I would really like to see him work with an adequate pot of money so those loans could be turned into our own players. He can really spot a good player and the mouthwatering prospect of a decent footballing manager given adequate resources is just too good an ideal to throw away. Let us all hope all of this can be sorted out quickly without any great level of disrespect and hatred on any side.

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[quote user="gazzathegreat"]Beauseant - I am not convinced that the anti board feeling is the monopoly of messageboards. I don''t think the Pink Un site is unique in that feeling anyway, although it is one of the busiest. Yes, during the Chase Out days of course there was no internet, nor did many people own a mobile phone, it was largely spontaneous, or arranged beforehand in pubs etc. It was awful and like many on here (and I do know a relative number of posters on here who were involved) got too close to the law, the horses and the general ill feeling which perpetuated the whole season. I can only go on what I have learnt from personal experience, but have to say that two of my long term city supporting friends who were previously very pro the board are now questioning the motives and validity of Delia and co. This state of uncertainty has to end and a swift decision reached. Whether or not it''s change or the status quo with additional investment so be it - all of this is NOT helping Roeder building a team. It would be a tragedy if Roeder walked due to the board/investment wranglings. I would really like to see him work with an adequate pot of money so those loans could be turned into our own players. He can really spot a good player and the mouthwatering prospect of a decent footballing manager given adequate resources is just too good an ideal to throw away. Let us all hope all of this can be sorted out quickly without any great level of disrespect and hatred on any side.[/quote]

 

I probably didn''t word that too well! I wasn''t suggesting that the anti board feeling isn''t widespraed,beacause it clearly is.What I was trying to say is that I don''t think,with the exception of some keyboard warriors,that the atmosphere is anywhere near as poisonous as during the Chase era,although that could soon change if something isn''t sorted out quickly which allows the club to move forward. I,too, am a big Roeder fan and want to see him given proper financial support.

[nutty nigel 7,509]

[quote user="Mr.Carrow"]You really are plumbing the depths now nutty.  I should find it funny but i actually feel sorry for you.  Rational, fair and logical thinking obviously left with your marbles so i`d concentrate on finding them if i were you.  Good luck mate [Y].[/quote]

Mr Carrow - stick to the issues and stop rewriting history and just maybe we would have more common ground than you think. Your beef with the board is the here and now and not the past. Gazza''s post from just above was fair. Think back to May 2004 and read the posts from the fans who still post now. They gave Delia enormous credit for the success at the time AND the years between 1998 and that day. It''s unbelievable now that some of the same posters now contradict themselves re-writing the history to back up their own vendettas. The history of our great club is important to me. The history hasn''t changed just because we failed to regain our Premier status over the last three seasons. Certain posters continually attack me for that and for the fact they perceive me as a Deliarite or whatever the current buzz word is. And yet you won''t find evidence of that in my posts. Just as you won''t find evidence of me being for or against Peter Cullum. I am sitting on the fence because I know nothing about Peter Cullum or any offer he may or may not have made to the club. Those same posters who ridicule me for being on the fence have no more idea about Peter Cullum than I do.

 

[TioRio 0]

I haven''t commented much on this board so far, and have restrained myself from answering quite a few posts similar to this one, but it is I''m afraid one stupid post to many.

You seem to hold against Delia, the fact that she hasn''t poured yet more millions of her savings into the club and your entertainment. You act like you are OWED money from her, that her money is yours as a right and that you can criticise her for not doing what you want her to do with her money.

As for reading between the lines, you think quite a lot of yourself for someone who was easily taken in by an offer of a paltry 20 million for a club worth far more, who used his "I''m a life long City fan and all I want to do is give 20 million to the club" line to easily win over nitwits such as yourself and put pressure on Delia and Jones to sell up. Now if you were Delia would you sell your buisiness (because it is a business, although quite a few people seem to forget that) for much less than it is worth? If you have a brain (A fact that is extremely doubtful to me after eading this post) I think not. So you call her a control freak because she refuses a pathetic offer for her business. We all want Norwich to have money, but try and put yourself in Delia''s shoes, throw aside your pig headed obstinacy, stupidity, and pessimsim and see through the offer of "TWENTY MILLION" from a "LOCAL BILLIONAIRE".   

[Mello Yello 2,280]

[quote user="TioRio"]

I haven''t commented much on this board so far, and have restrained myself from answering quite a few posts similar to this one, but it is I''m afraid one stupid post to many.

You seem to hold against Delia, the fact that she hasn''t poured yet more millions of her savings into the club and your entertainment. You act like you are OWED money from her, that her money is yours as a right and that you can criticise her for not doing what you want her to do with her money.

As for reading between the lines, you think quite a lot of yourself for someone who was easily taken in by an offer of a paltry 20 million for a club worth far more, who used his "I''m a life long City fan and all I want to do is give 20 million to the club" line to easily win over nitwits such as yourself and put pressure on Delia and Jones to sell up. Now if you were Delia would you sell your buisiness (because it is a business, although quite a few people seem to forget that) for much less than it is worth? If you have a brain (A fact that is extremely doubtful to me after eading this post) I think not. So you call her a control freak because she refuses a pathetic offer for her business. We all want Norwich to have money, but try and put yourself in Delia''s shoes, throw aside your pig headed obstinacy, stupidity, and pessimsim and see through the offer of "TWENTY MILLION" from a "LOCAL BILLIONAIRE".   

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I think you should continue restraining yourself......[:|]

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TIORIO you must be on a windup.

So its DELIA''S business is it? Forgive me but i thought she is the majority shareholding custodian of "our" club.

"A paltry offer of 20 million for a club worth far more". May i ask what is your financial knowledge of the worth of NCFC?

Goodness me i was accused earlier today of being rude and abusive to individuals by BE SMART.....whatever his latest name is.Looks like he has swerved round your insults to MELLO.

 

[canary cherub 1]

[quote user="TioRio"]

I haven''t commented much on this board so far, and have restrained myself from answering quite a few posts similar to this one, but it is I''m afraid one stupid post to many.

You seem to hold against Delia, the fact that she hasn''t poured yet more millions of her savings into the club and your entertainment. You act like you are OWED money from her, that her money is yours as a right and that you can criticise her for not doing what you want her to do with her money.

As for reading between the lines, you think quite a lot of yourself for someone who was easily taken in by an offer of a paltry 20 million for a club worth far more, who used his "I''m a life long City fan and all I want to do is give 20 million to the club" line to easily win over nitwits such as yourself and put pressure on Delia and Jones to sell up. Now if you were Delia would you sell your buisiness (because it is a business, although quite a few people seem to forget that) for much less than it is worth? If you have a brain (A fact that is extremely doubtful to me after eading this post) I think not. So you call her a control freak because she refuses a pathetic offer for her business. We all want Norwich to have money, but try and put yourself in Delia''s shoes, throw aside your pig headed obstinacy, stupidity, and pessimsim and see through the offer of "TWENTY MILLION" from a "LOCAL BILLIONAIRE".   

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Your first paragraph reflects an extremely selective not to say prejudiced reading of this message board.  As for what the club is worth, I hope you''re not referring to the "£56 million" publicity stunt in the local press, which should no more be taken as a basis for understanding the situation than the press coverage of Peter Cullum''s proposal.  

The majority shareholders find themselves in a rather weak negotiating position and they''ve brought it on themselves 100%.  They borrowed millions to speculate in land that no one wants to buy, for five years that loan has drained money out of the club in interest payments and now it has to be paid back.  Administration threatens unless they can find the money to cover it, hence their "altruistic" £2m loan.  Altruistic my aunt fanny, if the club goes bust they''ll lose the lot.  It''s a decision based on self interest, and none the worse for that as long as they don''t dress it up as anything else. 

As you say, NCFC is a business.  On that basis I would expect any investor to try and get the maximum return for the smallest possible outlay, just as I would expect D&M to try and get the highest price they possibly can.  But where is Norwich City FC in all this?  Can anyone, whichever side of the fence they''re on, believe that staggering on and on as we are is in the best interests of the club?  That''s all I really care about - not Peter Cullum, not Delia and Michael, only Norwich City Football Club. 

 

[ron obvious 1,499]

[quote user="Strawberry"]

As you say, NCFC is a business.  On that basis I would expect any investor to try and get the maximum return for the smallest possible outlay, just as I would expect D&M to try and get the highest price they possibly can.  But where is Norwich City FC in all this?  [/quote]

You might think that D&M are only in it for the money. I would suggest that there are far better & safer ways to accumulate wealth than investing in a Championship football club.I''m afraid we are always destined to disagree on this particular issue.

[canary cherub 1]

[quote user="ron obvious"][quote user="Strawberry"]

As you say, NCFC is a business.  On that basis I would expect any investor to try and get the maximum return for the smallest possible outlay, just as I would expect D&M to try and get the highest price they possibly can.  But where is Norwich City FC in all this? 
[/quote]

You might think that D&M are only in it for the money. I would suggest that there are far better & safer ways to accumulate wealth than investing in a Championship football club.
I''m afraid we are always destined to disagree on this particular issue.

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No ron I''m not saying that.  Certainly not "only".  I just find it very hard to swallow the myth that they are Lord and Lady Bountiful, and totally without self interest. 

[Mello Yello 2,280]

[quote user="ron obvious"][quote user="Strawberry"]

As you say, NCFC is a business.  On that basis I would expect any investor to try and get the maximum return for the smallest possible outlay, just as I would expect D&M to try and get the highest price they possibly can.  But where is Norwich City FC in all this? 
[/quote]

You might think that D&M are only in it for the money. I would suggest that there are far better & safer ways to accumulate wealth than investing in a Championship football club.
I''m afraid we are always destined to disagree on this particular issue.

[/quote]

I don''t for one minute think, that they''re just in it for the ''football'' - either......[:|]

[ron obvious 1,499]

[quote user="Mello Yello"][quote user="ron obvious"][quote user="Strawberry"]

As you say, NCFC is a business.  On that basis I would expect any investor to try and get the maximum return for the smallest possible outlay, just as I would expect D&M to try and get the highest price they possibly can.  But where is Norwich City FC in all this?  [/quote]

You might think that D&M are only in it for the money. I would suggest that there are far better & safer ways to accumulate wealth than investing in a Championship football club.I''m afraid we are always destined to disagree on this particular issue.

[/quote]

I don''t for one minute think, that they''re just in it for the ''football'' - either......[:|]

[/quote]So what are they in it for then?

[nutty nigel 7,509]

[quote user="ron obvious"][quote user="Mello Yello"][quote user="ron obvious"][quote user="Strawberry"]

As you say, NCFC is a business.  On that basis I would expect any investor to try and get the maximum return for the smallest possible outlay, just as I would expect D&M to try and get the highest price they possibly can.  But where is Norwich City FC in all this? 
[/quote]

You might think that D&M are only in it for the money. I would suggest that there are far better & safer ways to accumulate wealth than investing in a Championship football club.
I''m afraid we are always destined to disagree on this particular issue.

[/quote]

I don''t for one minute think, that they''re just in it for the ''football'' - either......[:|]

[/quote]

So what are they in it for then?


[/quote]

To upset Bly and Mr Carrow [;)]

 

[BlyBlyBabes 0]

[quote user="ron obvious"][quote user="Mello Yello"][quote user="ron obvious"][quote user="Strawberry"]

As you say, NCFC is a business.  On that basis I would expect any investor to try and get the maximum return for the smallest possible outlay, just as I would expect D&M to try and get the highest price they possibly can.  But where is Norwich City FC in all this? 
[/quote]

You might think that D&M are only in it for the money. I would suggest that there are far better & safer ways to accumulate wealth than investing in a Championship football club.
I''m afraid we are always destined to disagree on this particular issue.

[/quote]

I don''t for one minute think, that they''re just in it for the ''football'' - either......[:|]

[/quote]

So what are they in it for then?

[/quote]

Capital gains? Shhhh..........!

OTBC

 

 

[ricardo 7,345]

[quote user="Strawberry"][quote user="TioRio"]

I haven''t commented much on this board so far, and have restrained myself from answering quite a few posts similar to this one, but it is I''m afraid one stupid post to many.

You seem to hold against Delia, the fact that she hasn''t poured yet more millions of her savings into the club and your entertainment. You act like you are OWED money from her, that her money is yours as a right and that you can criticise her for not doing what you want her to do with her money.

As for reading between the lines, you think quite a lot of yourself for someone who was easily taken in by an offer of a paltry 20 million for a club worth far more, who used his "I''m a life long City fan and all I want to do is give 20 million to the club" line to easily win over nitwits such as yourself and put pressure on Delia and Jones to sell up. Now if you were Delia would you sell your buisiness (because it is a business, although quite a few people seem to forget that) for much less than it is worth? If you have a brain (A fact that is extremely doubtful to me after eading this post) I think not. So you call her a control freak because she refuses a pathetic offer for her business. We all want Norwich to have money, but try and put yourself in Delia''s shoes, throw aside your pig headed obstinacy, stupidity, and pessimsim and see through the offer of "TWENTY MILLION" from a "LOCAL BILLIONAIRE".   

[/quote]

The majority shareholders find themselves in a rather weak negotiating position and they''ve brought it on themselves 100%.  They borrowed millions to speculate in land that no one wants to buy, for five years that loan has drained money out of the club in interest payments and now it has to be paid back.  Administration threatens unless they can find the money to cover it, hence their "altruistic" £2m loan.  Altruistic my aunt fanny, if the club goes bust they''ll lose the lot.  It''s a decision based on self interest, and none the worse for that as long as they don''t dress it up as anything else. 

[/quote]

That is absolutely spot on Strawb.

I see no reason why they should be applauded simply for trying to protect their own financial interests.

It''s their train set and if they want to sell it as a going concern they have to keep it''s head above water. Otherwise they will have to give it to PC for nothing.

[Mello Yello 2,280]

[quote user="ron obvious"][quote user="Mello Yello"][quote user="ron obvious"][quote user="Strawberry"]

As you say, NCFC is a business.  On that basis I would expect any investor to try and get the maximum return for the smallest possible outlay, just as I would expect D&M to try and get the highest price they possibly can.  But where is Norwich City FC in all this? 
[/quote]

You might think that D&M are only in it for the money. I would suggest that there are far better & safer ways to accumulate wealth than investing in a Championship football club.
I''m afraid we are always destined to disagree on this particular issue.

[/quote]

I don''t for one minute think, that they''re just in it for the ''football'' - either......[:|]

[/quote]

So what are they in it for then?


[/quote]

It''s not just for the football......They are after all, ''business people''......

[Beauseant 0]

[quote user="Mello Yello"][quote user="ron obvious"][quote user="Mello Yello"][quote user="ron obvious"][quote user="Strawberry"]

As you say, NCFC is a business.  On that basis I would expect any investor to try and get the maximum return for the smallest possible outlay, just as I would expect D&M to try and get the highest price they possibly can.  But where is Norwich City FC in all this? 
[/quote]

You might think that D&M are only in it for the money. I would suggest that there are far better & safer ways to accumulate wealth than investing in a Championship football club.
I''m afraid we are always destined to disagree on this particular issue.

[/quote]

I don''t for one minute think, that they''re just in it for the ''football'' - either......[:|]

[/quote]

So what are they in it for then?


[/quote]

It''s not just for the football......They are after all, ''business people''......

[/quote]

 

But,of course,Peter Cullum is a "lifelong fan" so there won''t be any issue with his motivations.

[Mello Yello 2,280]

[quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="Mello Yello"][quote user="ron obvious"][quote user="Mello Yello"][quote user="ron obvious"][quote user="Strawberry"]

As you say, NCFC is a business.  On that basis I would expect any investor to try and get the maximum return for the smallest possible outlay, just as I would expect D&M to try and get the highest price they possibly can.  But where is Norwich City FC in all this? 
[/quote]

You might think that D&M are only in it for the money. I would suggest that there are far better & safer ways to accumulate wealth than investing in a Championship football club.
I''m afraid we are always destined to disagree on this particular issue.

[/quote]

I don''t for one minute think, that they''re just in it for the ''football'' - either......[:|]

[/quote]

So what are they in it for then?


[/quote]

It''s not just for the football......They are after all, ''business people''......

[/quote]

 

But,of course,Peter Cullum is a "lifelong fan" so there won''t be any issue with his motivations.

[/quote]

Therefore, do you concur that Delia and Mick - are also not just in it for the football then? Because I certainly accept that Mr Cullum isn''t just interested in the football......and may turn the redundant ''Proton Showroom'' into a call-centre for his company.... 

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I will not respond to the original post as it does not deserve a response. Interesting to read on here that Delia''s 2 Million investment in the Club is being dismissed and derided by the sanctimonious moaners. We hear from them that a ''disaster'' has befallen ''our once great Club''. Odd that, because I have followed us for over 30 years and and I have never once seen us as a ''Great Club''. Norwich are my Club and I love them, but as far as I can remember there have always been problems e.g Sir Arthur South, Robert Chase, the '' fire'', etc etc. Actually that''s the nature of the business folks. The current situation is probably about the best I can remember, but of course there are problems/challenges, and I for one do not want some fairy godfather from the City of London to come and sort us out. I work in the NHS and the Trust in which I work has to make 2 Million savings this year. This will mean job freezes, Ward closures, and in practice less support for people in our area with mental health needs i.e this will put lives at risk. So all you DISASTER merchants, perhaps you could reflect on how badly we could use 2 Million, and how fortunate we are at a FOOTBALL Club to have this Investment. Lastly get some perspective and balence. Lack of funds in a Football Club is not a disaster, but lack of funds for a Mental Health Trust just maybe could be one.      

[ron obvious 1,499]

[quote user="Mello Yello"]

It''s not just for the football......They are after all, ''business people''......

[/quote]So, once again, what are they in it for?