Time to be honest with the fans

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Having been involved in lots of,at times acrimonious,debate about the issues involving the current board and Peter Cullum,I find myself getting more and more disheartened.Its depressing enough that we are so close to the end of the transfer window with the striker issue still apparently no closer to resolution,but what really concerns me,and prompted me to write this post,is the way in which the control issue is splitting the fanbase apart.We have the two extremes of those who think that either Delia or Cullum are beyond reproach.,and in between,those ,like me ,who have reservations about both of them.I don''t intend to rekindle the same old debate again here,because I think that we''re going over the same old ground.I support City,and I know that most people on this forum do as well,yet we are at each others throats.The reason for that is simple.We have been given enough information to allow us to form opinions and take positions,but not enough to allow us to do anything other than speculate about what has actually gone on.We deserve better than that after all this time,and with the disappointments that we have had to endure since preseason started.

If BOTH parties made a full statement of the true position,instead of dropping hints ,and using the media and/or plants on the forum to provoke reaction we could actually get back to what should be our common cause,ie supporting City on the pitch.This has gone on too long,and will only end in tears if we don''t get some hard facts.

 

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[quote user="Beauseant"]

Having been involved in lots of,at times acrimonious,debate about the issues involving the current board and Peter Cullum,I find myself getting more and more disheartened.Its depressing enough that we are so close to the end of the transfer window with the striker issue still apparently no closer to resolution,but what really concerns me,and prompted me to write this post,is the way in which the control issue is splitting the fanbase apart.We have the two extremes of those who think that either Delia or Cullum are beyond reproach.,and in between,those ,like me ,who have reservations about both of them.I don''t intend to rekindle the same old debate again here,because I think that we''re going over the same old ground.I support City,and I know that most people on this forum do as well,yet we are at each others throats.The reason for that is simple.We have been given enough information to allow us to form opinions and take positions,but not enough to allow us to do anything other than speculate about what has actually gone on.We deserve better than that after all this time,and with the disappointments that we have had to endure since preseason started.

If BOTH parties made a full statement of the true position,instead of dropping hints ,and using the media and/or plants on the forum to provoke reaction we could actually get back to what should be our common cause,ie supporting City on the pitch.This has gone on too long,and will only end in tears if we don''t get some hard facts.

 

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I sympathise with what you say but, inevitably, an honest, open and transparent statement from the Board would be an admission that there is no money and what would that lead to ? IMO the Board knows that telling the truth will provoke contempt and unrest so that is why they have hidden behind a curtain of deceipt and dishonesty.

[Here We Go 0]

I agree one hundred and ten percent.

[canary cherub 1]

There has been plenty of acrimony on this forum for two or three years now, long before Mr Cullum came on the scene. 

The basic split is between those who think it''s time for the present regime to step down and are willing to take a step into the unknown, and those who are not. 

Until PC came along the latter group based their argument on the supposition that no one wanted to invest.  Now we know that''s not the case the ground has shifted, but it''s the same old debate. 

imho

 

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[quote user="Strawberry"]

There has been plenty of acrimony on this forum for two or three years now, long before Mr Cullum came on the scene. 

The basic split is between those who think it''s time for the present regime to step down and are willing to take a step into the unknown, and those who are not. 

Until PC came along the latter group based their argument on the supposition that no one wanted to invest.  Now we know that''s not the case the ground has shifted, but it''s the same old debate. 

imho

 

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Good point.I know that there''s always going to be different views,after all,that''s what a forum''s for.It just concerns me that thing seem to be getting uglier.I like to think of myself as moderate and reasonable,but I''ve bitten several times in recent posts out of sheer frustration,and regretted it out almost immediately.It just seems like the club''s being ripped apart.

[ncfcstar 342]

I completely agree mate, it is a shame that people on both sides of the view are so blinkered, but it is definitely more vitriolic from the Delia Out side. The amount of times both of us have been branded fans of Delia by people like Smudger, Cluck and Wiz is unbelievable, and then when we point out we have our reservations about both parties we are ignored!

Personally I think that we have been kept in the dark for far too long, and you''re right an official statement about what actually happened would benefit the fans, at the moment the board seem to think they have satisfied us with their "Official Statement" that said talks had broken down. They need to realise sooner rather than later that this has not satisfied the fans at all, and if they don''t do something soon they may face the consequences. The fans have been seduced by figures of £20m for players, and with what looks like no meaningful investment in the playing side this summer, fans will soon be very concerned as to how we can compete, and that £20m will be a dagger hanging over the current board.

[canary cherub 1]

[quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="Strawberry"]

There has been plenty of acrimony on this forum for two or three years now, long before Mr Cullum came on the scene. 

The basic split is between those who think it''s time for the present regime to step down and are willing to take a step into the unknown, and those who are not. 

Until PC came along the latter group based their argument on the supposition that no one wanted to invest.  Now we know that''s not the case the ground has shifted, but it''s the same old debate. 

imho

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Good point.I know that there''s always going to be different views,after all,that''s what a forum''s for.It just concerns me that thing seem to be getting uglier.I like to think of myself as moderate and reasonable,but I''ve bitten several times in recent posts out of sheer frustration,and regretted it out almost immediately.It just seems like the club''s being ripped apart.

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I agree with you B, it''s horrible on here at the moment.  

Just a thought: a lot of new posters have joined since they stopped moderating the forum, and perhaps it would help if us longstanding posters let them debate issues that we''ve been over about 500 times already without getting too involved.  I try to stay out of those threads now, because I go into them thinking "oh here we go again, same old same old, can I really be bothered?" which isn''t very helpful.

Having said that, nothing fundamental is going to improve until the situation at the club is resolved imo. 

 

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[quote user="ncfcstar"]I completely agree mate, it is a shame that people on both sides of the view are so blinkered, but it is definitely more vitriolic from the Delia Out side. The amount of times both of us have been branded fans of Delia by people like Smudger, Cluck and Wiz is unbelievable, and then when we point out we have our reservations about both parties we are ignored! Personally I think that we have been kept in the dark for far too long, and you''re right an official statement about what actually happened would benefit the fans, at the moment the board seem to think they have satisfied us with their "Official Statement" that said talks had broken down. They need to realise sooner rather than later that this has not satisfied the fans at all, and if they don''t do something soon they may face the consequences. The fans have been seduced by figures of £20m for players, and with what looks like no meaningful investment in the playing side this summer, fans will soon be very concerned as to how we can compete, and that £20m will be a dagger hanging over the current board.[/quote]

 

 

I totally agree.My growing fear is that we reach August 31st with no new striker and sitting in the bottom three.The psychological impact of such a scenario would be huge and I believe that things would turn really ugly at that stage.There are just so many unanswered questions at present and you can feel the tension increasing with every day that passes.Its not much fun being a moderate in such an atmosphere,because as you note,there is a tendency to be categorised as an apologist for either the board or Cullum,depending on the reader''s viewpoint.We really do need some facts,and soon!

[kdncfc 0]

The reality is that Delia didn''t want to sell and that''s why Cullum never made an offer. Wouldn''t have a problem with that if the current board were prepared to put some serious money into the club. They aren''t prepared to do that so they are putting the future of the club in jeopardy because they see the club as their plaything and don''t want to let go. Mr Cullum will take over the club at some point in the not to distant future, I am certain of that much. Question is will the board see sense and admit that they have done as much as they can and agree to sell or will we have to go down the same route we went to get rid of Chase 12 years ago. Sadly the way things are going it looks like we are going to have to go back to the scenes we witnessed in the Chase days to get them out, which would be a shame considering the good things they have done for the club.

[Don,tPanic 0]

Spot on mate,I agree.........Cullum could end this by saying exactly what he wanted to do and the Board could do the same......meanwhile none of us are happy and it will stay that way until some honesty is shown by both parties.I,m not a big fan of the present Board..............................but Cullum has not really helped the situation either, it,s easy to come out with a big Headline in the local press and then not back it up ( in the press ) with his intentions,so we wait and wonder ????? 

[WeAreYellows49 0]

[quote user="Beauseant"]

Having been involved in lots of,at times acrimonious,debate about the issues involving the current board and Peter Cullum,I find myself getting more and more disheartened.Its depressing enough that we are so close to the end of the transfer window with the striker issue still apparently no closer to resolution,but what really concerns me,and prompted me to write this post,is the way in which the control issue is splitting the fanbase apart.We have the two extremes of those who think that either Delia or Cullum are beyond reproach.,and in between,those ,like me ,who have reservations about both of them.I don''t intend to rekindle the same old debate again here,because I think that we''re going over the same old ground.I support City,and I know that most people on this forum do as well,yet we are at each others throats.The reason for that is simple.We have been given enough information to allow us to form opinions and take positions,but not enough to allow us to do anything other than speculate about what has actually gone on.We deserve better than that after all this time,and with the disappointments that we have had to endure since preseason started.

If BOTH parties made a full statement of the true position,instead of dropping hints ,and using the media and/or plants on the forum to provoke reaction we could actually get back to what should be our common cause,ie supporting City on the pitch.This has gone on too long,and will only end in tears if we don''t get some hard facts.

 

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Have been saying the same for weeks and often shouted down for it, ho-hum!!!!!!!

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"Spot on mate,I agree.........Cullum could end this by saying exactly what he wanted to do and the Board could do the same......meanwhile none of us are happy and it will stay that way until some honesty is shown by both parties.I,m not a big fan of the present Board..............................but Cullum has not really helped the situation either, it,s easy to come out with a big Headline in the local press and then not back it up ( in the press ) with his intentions,so we wait and wonder ?????"

 

End what ? What difference does it make whether we learn the truth about the putative Cullum takeover ? Anyway, we wouldn''t believe the truth if it headbutted us in the face. The only real truth I am interested in now is whether or not the current regime has any money to spend not what may or may have happened between Cullum and the Board.

[Beauseant 0]

[quote user="Strawberry"][quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="Strawberry"]

There has been plenty of acrimony on this forum for two or three years now, long before Mr Cullum came on the scene. 

The basic split is between those who think it''s time for the present regime to step down and are willing to take a step into the unknown, and those who are not. 

Until PC came along the latter group based their argument on the supposition that no one wanted to invest.  Now we know that''s not the case the ground has shifted, but it''s the same old debate. 

imho

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Good point.I know that there''s always going to be different views,after all,that''s what a forum''s for.It just concerns me that thing seem to be getting uglier.I like to think of myself as moderate and reasonable,but I''ve bitten several times in recent posts out of sheer frustration,and regretted it out almost immediately.It just seems like the club''s being ripped apart.

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I agree with you B, it''s horrible on here at the moment.  

Just a thought: a lot of new posters have joined since they stopped moderating the forum, and perhaps it would help if us longstanding posters let them debate issues that we''ve been over about 500 times already without getting too involved.  I try to stay out of those threads now, because I go into them thinking "oh here we go again, same old same old, can I really be bothered?" which isn''t very helpful.

Having said that, nothing fundamental is going to improve until the situation at the club is resolved imo. 

 

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I think that''s good advice.I must admit that I''ve started to get frustrated by the constant recycling of arguments,or,as is more often the case recently,the promotion of a fixed viewpoint regardless of facts,usually accompanied at some stage by personal insults when challenged.

As for your last point,I couldn''t agree more.Its getting more poisonous by the day and something has to give.

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[quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="Strawberry"][quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="Strawberry"]

There has been plenty of acrimony on this forum for two or three years now, long before Mr Cullum came on the scene. 

The basic split is between those who think it''s time for the present regime to step down and are willing to take a step into the unknown, and those who are not. 

Until PC came along the latter group based their argument on the supposition that no one wanted to invest.  Now we know that''s not the case the ground has shifted, but it''s the same old debate. 

imho

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Good point.I know that there''s always going to be different views,after all,that''s what a forum''s for.It just concerns me that thing seem to be getting uglier.I like to think of myself as moderate and reasonable,but I''ve bitten several times in recent posts out of sheer frustration,and regretted it out almost immediately.It just seems like the club''s being ripped apart.

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I agree with you B, it''s horrible on here at the moment.  

Just a thought: a lot of new posters have joined since they stopped moderating the forum, and perhaps it would help if us longstanding posters let them debate issues that we''ve been over about 500 times already without getting too involved.  I try to stay out of those threads now, because I go into them thinking "oh here we go again, same old same old, can I really be bothered?" which isn''t very helpful.

Having said that, nothing fundamental is going to improve until the situation at the club is resolved imo. 

 

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I think that''s good advice.I must admit that I''ve started to get frustrated by the constant recycling of arguments,or,as is more often the case recently,the promotion of a fixed viewpoint regardless of facts,usually accompanied at some stage by personal insults when challenged.

As for your last point,I couldn''t agree more.Its getting more poisonous by the day and something has to give.

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Frankly, I think this smacks of message board snobbism.

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[quote user="Lord Snooty"]

 

 

Frankly, I think this smacks of message board snobbism.

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Thanks for that your Lordship ; )

[WeAreYellows49 0]

[quote user="Lord Snooty"][quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="Strawberry"][quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="Strawberry"]

There has been plenty of acrimony on this forum for two or three years now, long before Mr Cullum came on the scene. 

The basic split is between those who think it''s time for the present regime to step down and are willing to take a step into the unknown, and those who are not. 

Until PC came along the latter group based their argument on the supposition that no one wanted to invest.  Now we know that''s not the case the ground has shifted, but it''s the same old debate. 

imho

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Good point.I know that there''s always going to be different views,after all,that''s what a forum''s for.It just concerns me that thing seem to be getting uglier.I like to think of myself as moderate and reasonable,but I''ve bitten several times in recent posts out of sheer frustration,and regretted it out almost immediately.It just seems like the club''s being ripped apart.

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I agree with you B, it''s horrible on here at the moment.  

Just a thought: a lot of new posters have joined since they stopped moderating the forum, and perhaps it would help if us longstanding posters let them debate issues that we''ve been over about 500 times already without getting too involved.  I try to stay out of those threads now, because I go into them thinking "oh here we go again, same old same old, can I really be bothered?" which isn''t very helpful.

Having said that, nothing fundamental is going to improve until the situation at the club is resolved imo. 

 

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I think that''s good advice.I must admit that I''ve started to get frustrated by the constant recycling of arguments,or,as is more often the case recently,the promotion of a fixed viewpoint regardless of facts,usually accompanied at some stage by personal insults when challenged.

As for your last point,I couldn''t agree more.Its getting more poisonous by the day and something has to give.

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Frankly, I think this smacks of message board snobbism.

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I agree it does come over in that way, but I am not sure if that was the way it was meant.

People post the same old stuff time and time again, however we ALL have the option of reading or not reading a thread, if you don''t want to add to a thread then move on, it''s not compulsary to reply after all is said and done. [:)]

[canary cherub 1]

[quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="Lord Snooty"]

Frankly, I think this smacks of message board snobbism.

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Thanks for that your Lordship ; )

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LOL!!

 

[ROBFLECK 134]

The writing''s on the wall...that''s enough said.

Whatever side you''re on...you can''t deny it

[WeAreYellows49 0]

lol Tommy there will always be those that have no feeling either way, or those that want the board out and those who really couldn''t be bothered with all the hassel.

I do not feel the writing is on the wall ''''just'''' yet, but things are certainly heating up, and the wall is being prepared so to speak.  Like I said weeks ago, if the right moves weren''t made to get the right players in, and the board didn''t back GR 110% with the cash he needed the fans would get restless.  I just hoped and prayed that we weren''t face with another period like when the ''''Chase out'''' protests started, that was a period in my supporting life I will never forget, and hoped I would never witness or have to be part of anything like that again.

It''s like history repeating itself, and I for one don''t like the look of things so far.

However, IF GR gets in one or two big strikers things will calm down again and the heat will be taken off the board, (personally I wish PC would just come in with a good offer and get them out), but that''s IMO and for personal reasons.

As things stand at the moment some fans feel angry, I just feel awfully sad at the state of things, and hope that things improve over this week.

[ROBFLECK 134]

[quote user="WeAreYellows49"]

lol Tommy there will always be those that have no feeling either way, or those that want the board out and those who really couldn''t be bothered with all the hassel.

I do not feel the writing is on the wall ''''just'''' yet, but things are certainly heating up, and the wall is being prepared so to speak.  Like I said weeks ago, if the right moves weren''t made to get the right players in, and the board didn''t back GR 110% with the cash he needed the fans would get restless.  I just hoped and prayed that we weren''t face with another period like when the ''''Chase out'''' protests started, that was a period in my supporting life I will never forget, and hoped I would never witness or have to be part of anything like that again.

It''s like history repeating itself, and I for one don''t like the look of things so far.

However, IF GR gets in one or two big strikers things will calm down again and the heat will be taken off the board, (personally I wish PC would just come in with a good offer and get them out), but that''s IMO and for personal reasons.

As things stand at the moment some fans feel angry, I just feel awfully sad at the state of things, and hope that things improve over this week.

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I respect you WeAreYellows49, that is a good reflection of things at NCFC at the moment. I just feel the supporters have to put pressure on the board. I fear a repeat of the Chase out days too, but you have to make your presence felt. Especially if you are a fan of such a great club with such fantastic supporters, whom I feel R not respected enough by the board.

[Beauseant 0]

[quote user="WeAreYellows49"]

I agree it does come over in that way, but I am not sure if that was the way it was meant.

People post the same old stuff time and time again, however we ALL have the option of reading or not reading a thread, if you don''t want to add to a thread then move on, it''s not compulsary to reply after all is said and done. [:)]

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That wasn''t how it was meant,just poor use of language on my part.I agree that there''s no need to get involved in a thread,and I was taking Strawberry''s advice along those lines.If anything I was criticising myself for getting involved when the best thing would have been to walk away. : )

 

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[quote user="Tommy Grange"][quote user="WeAreYellows49"]

lol Tommy there will always be those that have no feeling either way, or those that want the board out and those who really couldn''t be bothered with all the hassel.

I do not feel the writing is on the wall ''''just'''' yet, but things are certainly heating up, and the wall is being prepared so to speak.  Like I said weeks ago, if the right moves weren''t made to get the right players in, and the board didn''t back GR 110% with the cash he needed the fans would get restless.  I just hoped and prayed that we weren''t face with another period like when the ''''Chase out'''' protests started, that was a period in my supporting life I will never forget, and hoped I would never witness or have to be part of anything like that again.

It''s like history repeating itself, and I for one don''t like the look of things so far.

However, IF GR gets in one or two big strikers things will calm down again and the heat will be taken off the board, (personally I wish PC would just come in with a good offer and get them out), but that''s IMO and for personal reasons.

As things stand at the moment some fans feel angry, I just feel awfully sad at the state of things, and hope that things improve over this week.

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I respect you WeAreYellows49, that is a good reflection of things at NCFC at the moment. I just feel the supporters have to put pressure on the board. I fear a repeat of the Chase out days too, but you have to make your presence felt. Especially if you are a fan of such a great club with such fantastic supporters, whom I feel R not respected enough by the board.

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Thanks you, respect back to you too and also for keeping the debate reasonable. 

I agree if and when the time should come that the fans have had enough (except for a few die hard board supporters, who were also there during the Chase days), they will let their feelings be known to the board.  Things have a way of running their natural course.

I was so positive before the start of the season, great I thought, new manager, clearing the dead wood from the club, something that''s been needed for years, the words that we wouldn''t recognise the squad were used I think.  Slowly and surely we heard rumblings of players we were interested in, all exciting times.  The board had said they would back GR, fantastic I thought.  Delia''s comments at the RNS, ''''There''s loads of new investment, everything''s lovely, we''re keeping quiet about all the money'''', I thought wonderful.  The someone posted a link to DS''s interview with Simon Mayo, that just about topped the icing on the cake for me, alongside the joint statement by the club and PC, that was the cherry on my cake.

However, yes we have a few good players now in the squad, but the football I''ve seen so far has been better than last season, but we are getting similar results, so no further forwards really.  We all know we''ve needed a big out and out striker since Dion decided he was retiring last season, and still have no one in all these months later.

Surely the board must know what sort of reaction they will get from the fans for their prudence, seen lots of that the last few years and very little if any ambition.

[WeAreYellows49 0]

[quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="WeAreYellows49"]

I agree it does come over in that way, but I am not sure if that was the way it was meant.

People post the same old stuff time and time again, however we ALL have the option of reading or not reading a thread, if you don''t want to add to a thread then move on, it''s not compulsary to reply after all is said and done. [:)]

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That wasn''t how it was meant,just poor use of language on my part.I agree that there''s no need to get involved in a thread,and I was taking Strawberry''s advice along those lines.If anything I was criticising myself for getting involved when the best thing would have been to walk away. : )

 

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I know which is why I said I''m sure that''s not how it was meant lol.

Don''t be too hard on yourself, we all do it, sometimes these things are just too difficult to resist replying to when feelings are as high as they have been on both sides. [:)]

[Beauseant 0]

[quote user="WeAreYellows49"][quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="WeAreYellows49"]

I agree it does come over in that way, but I am not sure if that was the way it was meant.

People post the same old stuff time and time again, however we ALL have the option of reading or not reading a thread, if you don''t want to add to a thread then move on, it''s not compulsary to reply after all is said and done. [:)]

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That wasn''t how it was meant,just poor use of language on my part.I agree that there''s no need to get involved in a thread,and I was taking Strawberry''s advice along those lines.If anything I was criticising myself for getting involved when the best thing would have been to walk away. : )

 

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I know which is why I said I''m sure that''s not how it was meant lol.

Don''t be too hard on yourself, we all do it, sometimes these things are just too difficult to resist replying to when feelings are as high as they have been on both sides. [:)]

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Ain''t that the truth?  LOL!!!

[WeAreYellows49 0]

lol yup, human nature i''m afraid [:)]

[ricardo 8,033]

Time to be honest with the Fans?????

Don''t bet on it.

It''s just a case of more of the same with this lot. No money, no prospects of any realistic investment and no intention to change the strategy.

When will they learn that if you keep doing the same things you will get the same results.

We will soon be the best run club in league One.

[nutty nigel 7,902]

[quote user="ricardo"]

We will soon be the best run club in league One.

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Is that a prediction Rickyyyyyy ...

A real ''before the event'' prediction [:^)]

Could you just clarify ''soon'' for me [:^)] Could it be a case of "beware the ides of March" [:S]

At last we have a test for your mystic powers [Y]

 

[Evil Monkey 52]

I''ve long suspected that the proof of the pudding, as it were, would

come on or shortly after 1st September when all is done and

dusted.  The board have led us to believe for a good part of the

summer that they are backing Glenn and I have been happy to wait and

see how things play out.  However, this was based on the

presumption that we would have our big name signing in before the first

game.  The first game became the second game, and now we''re

hanging on to see if anyone comes in before the end of the transfer

window!  Slowly but surely, I''m slipping down from Nutty''s fence

on the investment issue, because its looking increasingly likely that

we don''t have what Delia and Doomcaster have hinted at.

Of course, this is just a small sense of panic beginning to creep

in.  I''ve said before that this transfer window will be

make-or-break for the board - if they fail to show that they''ve backed

Roeder with cash by getting in the prolific, big-name target man

signing, then their position will be almost untenable and Cullum, I''m

sure, will be waiting to pounce.

Unfortunately I think most of this is out of our hands.  Of course

we could protest or chant, but will the board actually listen to our

requests for the truth or will it just be met with more spin?  I

gave up paying too much attention to what Doomcaster and co. say a long

time ago because I feel I already know the answer.

In 13 days we will know for sure how much backing Glenn Roeder has

received from the board, and then things might become clearer, one way

or another...

[nutty nigel 7,902]

Good post Evil my friend but just to correct you on one small thing - I am not on the fence about whether the club needs investment because it undoubtedly does. I have said before that I doubt the current owners have the wealth to compete with some of the other clubs in this league. It''s obvious to anyone that they couldn''t afford to give Glen Roeder 20m for transfers. What I am still sitting on the fence about is whether they actually spurned Cullums 20m. Nobody yet has managed to provide the information to get me off the fence either way.

As for the striker signing, if Iverson is the man Roeder wants and there''s still a chance of getting him I don''t want second best for my club. Last year we got Brown, Cureton and Strihavka and that wasn''t good enough to take the club forward. So if Iverson is the player to move the club forward then he is the player I want. I believe in the Worthy school of thought and not the Grant.

The money can only be spent once and if I was to see that money wasted on players not good enough to take the club forward I would get off the fence over Glen Roeder for sure. We did that last year.

 

[Syteanric 1]

id like to see a fan on the board.. but then we''d all know what was going on then wouldnt we?

jas :)