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[quote user="yellowngreen"]

Jim

I was there (Was about 15) in the barclay and youve got it spot on it was man u pretending to be west ham that started it. If i remember correctly we had only been allocated the end section of the barclay and it was soon taken over by man utd. I ended up in the south stand.The guy that fell through the roof didnt get a kicking because the barclay was totaly man u by then

[/quote]I was told at the time that he did get a kicking, still as a 14 year old you believe anything you are told about things like that because you think it''s clever lol.

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[quote user="Bury Green"]

Again I will need this one being backed up by others but back when a  terrace favourite was   “you’re going in the river”  which unless I am much mistaken goes back to when a Scum supporters car got tipped into the Wensum?

 

Again, possibly hearsay but certainly a catchy tune

 

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Yes - it was a regular chant. Others included "you''ll never take the Barclay" - to the same tune and "we''ll meet you down the station." There were all sorts of songs centred around violence + quite a lot of racist chants too. Football has come a long way (but I still miss standing on the terraces).

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[quote user="yellowngreen"]

Jim

I was there (Was about 15) in the barclay and youve got it spot on it was man u pretending to be west ham that started it. If i remember correctly we had only been allocated the end section of the barclay and it was soon taken over by man utd. I ended up in the south stand.The guy that fell through the roof didnt get a kicking because the barclay was totaly man u by then

[/quote]  yeh you are right it was all man u by then,  i do think we were in the middle section when it started ..31 years is a long time though!!!!!

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[quote user="Badger"][quote user="Bury Green"]

Again I will need this one being backed up by others but back when a  terrace favourite was   “you’re going in the river”  which unless I am much mistaken goes back to when a Scum supporters car got tipped into the Wensum?

 

Again, possibly hearsay but certainly a catchy tune

 

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Yes - it was a regular chant. Others included "you''ll never take the Barclay" - to the same tune and "we''ll meet you down the station." There were all sorts of songs centred around violence + quite a lot of racist chants too. Football has come a long way (but I still miss standing on the terraces).

[/quote] And a few did go in the river!!!!!!

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[quote user="kdncfc"][quote user="Badger"]Yes - it was a regular chant. Others included "you''ll never take the Barclay" - to the same tune and "we''ll meet you down the station."[/quote]Didn''t Wet Sham take the Barclay as well? Seem to remember loads of them being at the back of the middle pen and it all kicked off during the game with loads of fans spilling onto the pitch.[/quote]

I was only a kid at the time but as I remember it I often seemed to end up nearer what is now the Snakepit and away fans edged our way - perhaps it was just me!

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This was to be my final game as a match steward , we were all asked to go to the barclay end and there was this PRAT on the roof ripping the stand apart and throwing bits to all and sunder so i refused and handed   in my job they were simply thugs .     When the dust had settled on sunday i drove to the ground it was more like a war zone in  Bagdad  , you could see right through to the river end there was hardly any stand left standing  [ i have hated that team ever since ] .

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The game in question was in the late 70''s and one of the idiots who got onto the roof  went right through it onto the concrete terracing and very nearly died!

 

I miss the terracing but not all the bullsh*t that went on in the 70s and 80s! 

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Sadly there are some people who look back on all this sort of thing with rose-tinted specs and a warm nostalgic glow.

Nice to see that most of the above comments have been about how scary this sort of stuff was.

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This game was part of a documentary on the BBC who travelled on a footie special with the Man U fans. Many arrived on the Friday and we even gave them 3 out of the 4 sections of the Barclay and then they even took the 4th before the match! After the game when the guy fell through the roof he was taken away on a strecher and just before he got to the tunnel he was pushed off by some irate City fans.

Some Man U fans even took the River End in the 2nd half and when the City guys in the Barclay realised this they arrived in the River End and it kicked off in there.

Believe me that was the most scary match I ever saw and still can not believe no one was killed!

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[quote user="Rupethebear"]

This game was part of a documentary on the BBC who travelled on a footie special with the Man U fans. Many arrived on the Friday and we even gave them 3 out of the 4 sections of the Barclay and then they even took the 4th before the match! After the game when the guy fell through the roof he was taken away on a strecher and just before he got to the tunnel he was pushed off by some irate City fans.

Some Man U fans even took the River End in the 2nd half and when the City guys in the Barclay realised this they arrived in the River End and it kicked off in there.

Believe me that was the most scary match I ever saw and still can not believe no one was killed!

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I will always remember that match as it was probably the worse ever I was with a few of my friends on leave from the Army, we were wearing Uniforms at the time and the Police quickly escorted us away as many of the reds fans were chanting IRA,we were whisked away in a ploice van

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[quote user="Giovani Dos Santos"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN9djmp_sjk&feature=related

Can''t believe this ever used to happen at norwich

Was anyone there?

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I was there !! nearly lost my head when a large piece of sheeting from the back of the barclay came flying through the air !! Although the funny bit was a man u fan climbing around in the rafters fell into the norwich  fans and got a good kicking when he landed.................then while being stretchered away put his fingers up at the city faithful, who then attacked him again , kicking him off his stretcher !! those were the days !!

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[quote user="Canaries in Bed"]Losers. Good job I was not there, I would have sworn at them then run quickly and sworn again and un faster.[/quote]ha ha

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My mum used to work in the Norfolk and Norwich from about the early eighties, and she always told me that every member of staff would try and get the weekend off when Man Ure came to play because they always got the worse injuries. Not just the injuries but the pure number of people who came through the doors was staggering she told me. She also said that Leeds and west Ham and Stoke were bad. Also The Man Ure fans often who came in often tried to attack the staff as well, my mum said she was threatened on more than one occasion by them.

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[quote user="Bury Green"]

Again I will need this one being backed up by others but back when a  terrace favourite was   “you’re going in the river”  which unless I am much mistaken goes back to when a Scum supporters car got tipped into the Wensum?

 

Again, possibly hearsay but certainly a catchy tune

 

One which wasn’t hearsay was the night we beat the Scum to get to Wembley in 1985, surely the last time we had a mass pitch invasion at Carrow Road?

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Yes bundlerama time.

I''ve still got the photo of Bruce, Deehan and Donowa wheeling away and the Binners defense looking stunned.

HAPPY DAYS.

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[quote user="jetstream"]Sadly there are some people who look back on all this sort of thing with rose-tinted specs and a warm nostalgic glow. Nice to see that most of the above comments have been about how scary this sort of stuff was.[/quote]

You are alluding to what exactly?

 

As far as I can tell nobody has rose tinted specs only fading memories, it was all a long time ago but no matter what standing on the old Barclay was a load more fun than sitting down in the lower tier is today.

 

Of course the local derby was a proper local derby played at Christmas and Easter at 3pm not the diluted borefest we have to endure today

 

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Interesting picking the truth from the poor memories! I wasn''t allowed to go because of the anticipated trouble (I was about 8) and this was before the tall fences and caging in of fans. The Barclay was split into sections, divided by 4/5 ft iron railing fences. There would be about 3 ft between the fence for one section before another fence marked the next section. Poor old Plod used to line this gangway and get clobbered by both sets of fans!The fan who fell through the roof suffered bad back injuries and certainly didn''t ''get up and dismantle the stand''.Got to go now, there''s some real violence going on between my 7-year-old and his 4-year-old brother! [;)]

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Remember a couple of games againest Chelsea which were quite lively one in the late 70s if my memory serves me right someone was in the Norwich sections with a knife and to make it worse the tannoy anounncer kept broadcasting a warning every few minutes to be aware and early 80s when the Chelsea lads piled in at the back of the Barclay just before kick off scattering most people

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[quote user="Fat Barman"]Interesting picking the truth from the poor memories! I wasn''t allowed to go because of the anticipated trouble (I was about 8) and this was before the tall fences and caging in of fans. The Barclay was split into sections, divided by 4/5 ft iron railing fences. There would be about 3 ft between the fence for one section before another fence marked the next section. Poor old Plod used to line this gangway and get clobbered by both sets of fans!

The fan who fell through the roof suffered bad back injuries and certainly didn''t ''get up and dismantle the stand''.

Got to go now, there''s some real violence going on between my 7-year-old and his 4-year-old brother! [;)]
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I remember this very well. My dad and I (I was 9 at the time) used to stand in the corner standing section (between the Barclay End and the South Stand)...right between the standing away supporters and their seated supporters. It was quite intimidating at times! And frightening when these Man Utd "supporters" ran riot. What a twat falling through the roof...get everything they deserve.

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[quote user="Fat Barman"]Interesting picking the truth from the poor memories! I wasn''t allowed to go because of the anticipated trouble (I was about 8) and this was before the tall fences and caging in of fans. The Barclay was split into sections, divided by 4/5 ft iron railing fences. There would be about 3 ft between the fence for one section before another fence marked the next section. Poor old Plod used to line this gangway and get clobbered by both sets of fans!

The fan who fell through the roof suffered bad back injuries and certainly didn''t ''get up and dismantle the stand''.

Got to go now, there''s some real violence going on between my 7-year-old and his 4-year-old brother! [;)]
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You are right about poor memories - it was a long time ago - but wasn''t this before they put the iron railing fence in?

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i was there that day in the river end with my dad i think it was when the guy fell through the roof!!shook me up for a while i was only ten.

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[quote user="Bury Green"]

 

As far as I can tell nobody has rose tinted specs only fading memories, it was all a long time ago but no matter what standing on the old Barclay was a load more fun than sitting down in the lower tier is today.

 

Of course the local derby was a proper local derby played at Christmas and Easter at 3pm not the diluted borefest we have to endure today[/quote]

 

Maybe because we were younger Bury Green my friend. But hand on heart I have to say I enjoy the Barclay the way it is now more than then.

I was first a ''Barclay Boy'' in the late 60''s, there were no fences, just a line of plod from top to bottom seperating the fans. Us kids would get in early and settle right at the front. Then sometimes the away fans would arrive and think they could watch the game from behind the goal but as the stand filled up they would end up in their rightful place near the South Stand corner, and the line of plod would be formed. We used to watch all this from the very front and I can''t ever remember not feeling safe. During the 1972 promotion season I watched every game from behind the goal near where Lil Kemp always was. The atmosphere was unbelievable as our dreams unfolded and again I always felt reasonably safe although would sometimes get bruised from the crush after we scored. I especially remember the Boxing Day game against Charlton that we won 3-0 and the 2-2 draw with Millwall, 30,000+ crowds and for a youngster, although I was 15 by then, the crush was scarey and sometimes our feet were off the terracing. The violence really started after promotion and as I got older I became a Riverend Boy for a time. Away matches became even worse and can remember the League Cup semi at Old Trafford in 1975 when that back pass to Stepney got stuck in the mud before MacDougall popped up to make it 2-2 and we went mental! Even though we were in the seats we weren''t safe from ''the red army''. By the end of the game we could see them climbing up over people to get us. I wasn''t sure we would get out alive but we managed to escape them, hide our scarves and make our way silently to the station without being recognised. I watched most of the home games from the Riverend or the South Stand throughout the rest of the 70''s and early 80''s until my son was old enough to go in 1983 and we then had season tickets in the Main Stand until it burnt down. The Barclay wasn''t for me with all those fences and violence but maybe if I had still been a teenager at the time I would have been there. I didn''t go back to the Barclay until the late 90''s when my daughter got fed up with the South Stand. By then it was safe again and I ended up getting the season tickets at the back of Block E where we still are today.

Now I feel like I have been running on like Grandpa Simpson! But the point I am getting to is that we do look back on those times with rose tinted glasses. I don''t think we would tolerate it now and that''s a good thing. On Saturday I went to Coventry with my daughter and my grandson. We wore our City shirts with pride and felt totally safe to do so. We are totally safe in the Barclay now too. There''s still a good atmosphere, plenty of banter and noise, but we''re safe. Bury Green, my grandson is 4 and I am 100% sure that I would prefer The Barclay to be the way it is now when he is 15 and not how it was when you ar I were 15. Think about it [Y]

 

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Nutty Nigel - as another grandpa simpson, I enjoyed your post. They ought to have a section for reminiscences!

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[quote user="Vinny"]THEY ALSO DESTROYED LITTLEWOODS IN THE CITY......[/quote]

...so they weren''t all bad then!

 

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My dad is always telling me this...

Leicester vs Norwich in the cup (sorry i forget the year). Heavy snow all over England, nearly every game called off apart from Leicester vs Norwich. The night before the game, Panorama done a programme about the Millwall hooligans and how crazy they are etc. Anyway, half way through the game, these Millwall fans who were on Panorama the night before got into the Norwich end of the ground and started chatting to all the Norwich fans and these Millwall fans were up for a ruck! So they bought a load of Norwich scarves and jumped the fence to the Leicester fans and caused havok! All over the news the next day was pages of Norwich fans (but they were actually Millwall) fighting all the leicester end of the ground haha!

Made me chuckle how Millwall fans just walked in the ground with Norwich scarves on!

If anyonewas there or heard about it, post it because im finding it really interesting!

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the man u game was a tad early for me.,/but as a young teenager, 1980-83 i used to go into the ''middle pen'' of the barclay (next to the away support) with a mate -  i remember the first time we went it was a real eye-opener...all these skinheads in crombies clinging to the security netting goading the away support...we used to have a laff, the banter was great - and yeah, every now and then a shower of coins would come over.  i never took a hit, but one time, the guy in front took a sharpened 50p on the side of the bonce - ouch!!! no blood - he just yelped, then rummaged on the floor for the offending coin...as a skint boy,what amazed me most was that someone had taken the trouble to ruin a 50p piece, and could afford to chuck it away!!!i was there when some tw*t threw a lighter at the ref hitting him on the head, and chase put up some green netting to stop future efforts><?this kind of s++t was normal then...but even today, i can''t ever see the need for violence...i simply observed this behaviour and tolerated it as representing an expression of self-hatred by the participants,,, cos if you love yourself, you have no need to inflict pain or injury on others.,/

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The Man United match was very bad. I was there with my two boys in the South Stand ( it was all standing). There were 35,000 in the Ground and there was a mass movement towards the River End to get away from the trouble. It terrified the life out of me for the safety of my boys.

The Barclay was good fun at times and my wife and I and two friends used to get there early and secure a place just in front of one of the crowd barriers ( sort of steel hoops) to protect ourselves from the crowd surges. We used to put the girls in front of us to try and protect them even more. The police and stewards used to try and keep the iles clear but they had a thankless job.

Lots of young police were always on duty and they seemed to have their fun diving into the crowd and hauling away whoever they fancied. As my boys got older and went on their own, or with mates, I used to tell them to be careful as all having red hair they stood out as targets for the coppers.

Margeret Thatcher was the one who changed it all for ever by making all 1st & 2nd Division Grounds all seating. That did a lot to raise the image of football and make the game universal family entertainment.

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[quote user="Bobert"]

The Man United match was very bad. I was there with my two boys in the South Stand ( it was all standing). There were 35,000 in the Ground and there was a mass movement towards the River End to get away from the trouble. It terrified the life out of me for the safety of my boys.

The Barclay was good fun at times and my wife and I and two friends used to get there early and secure a place just in front of one of the crowd barriers ( sort of steel hoops) to protect ourselves from the crowd surges. We used to put the girls in front of us to try and protect them even more. The police and stewards used to try and keep the iles clear but they had a thankless job.

Lots of young police were always on duty and they seemed to have their fun diving into the crowd and hauling away whoever they fancied. As my boys got older and went on their own, or with mates, I used to tell them to be careful as all having red hair they stood out as targets for the coppers.

Margeret Thatcher was the one who changed it all for ever by making all 1st & 2nd Division Grounds all seating. That did a lot to raise the image of football and make the game universal family entertainment.

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I''m sure that it was after her wasn''t it?

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