Roeder has failed miserably

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Here we are, the day before our opening game of the season and we don''t have the target man that all of us agree that we need, particularly Roeder. So, it''s already too late to bring in a striker to "gel" in time for the first match of the season.

It is just so flipping frustrating. Cureton is lost up front without a big, muscular striker alongside him , Lupoli is not fully fit and even when he is he only manages to score 7 goals in 40 plus appearances for Derby. Martin is a waste of space. Roeder talks a good talk (all his close frineds in the game blah blah) but he has has failed to bring in Rigters or Ched Evans or any decent striker. Ameobi clearly isn''t on his way to us. What a flipping fiasco.

[astrodyne 0]

Did you really expect anything else?

[Mr_Chimp 0]

Cheers for the laugh chap, really made me smile on a dull Friday morning.

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he''s strengthened defence, midfield, and even added 2 strikers but damn him for not waving a magic wand and letting people give their best taget men to us. he must go.I agree its frustrating but glenn has been working at getting a target man, I''d be more concerned if the comment came out "we go with what we''ve got"

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And it''s not as though it''s come as a shock to us as to which our priority position for filling was this past close season. Double D gave plenty of notice that he would be hanging up his boots at the end of last season. What have we had - seven, eight months'' notice? And we still manage to start the season with a huge gap in the playing resource.

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It''s a 46 game season.  The transfer window closes on 31st August, and we can still loan players up to November. 

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Oh please, stop it, the season hasn''t even started yet! At what point pplaying a few matches with a lot of new signings and injuries did you expect to ''gel'' some teams can just fit into place. I think GR has done well in the transfer market and we shall see that WHEN THE SEASON STARTS!

 

Sorry I am a lifelong fan who can''t critisise the team when we haven''t played a competitive match yet. So please Snooty wait until 5 or 6 games in to have a go at GR.

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[quote user="astrodyne"]Did you really expect anything else?[/quote]

Actually, no I didn''t astrodyne.

But I had hoped that the warning we were given last season might have struck home at board level..........sadly, it appears it hasn''t yet, although there is still time I suppose.

 

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[quote user="Mr_Chimp"]Cheers for the laugh chap, really made me smile on a dull Friday morning.[/quote]

 

Glad I cheered you up.

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Too true.  Plus, y''know, he hasn''t failed miserably at all.  We''re missing one piece, that we''re still hunting hard for.  The team is clearly stronger...on paper, admittedly, but stronger nonetheless, than it has been in years. This is not ''failing'' by any definition, and to pretend it is is ridiculously counter-productive.

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haha!You are a funny, funny bloke - stick around! [:)]

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Oh please, stop it, the season hasn''t even started yet! At what point pplaying a few matches with a lot of new signings and injuries did you expect to ''gel'' some teams can just fit into place. I think GR has done well in the transfer market and we shall see that WHEN THE SEASON STARTS!

 

Sorry I am a lifelong fan who can''t critisise the team when we haven''t played a competitive match yet. So please Snooty wait until 5 or 6 games in to have a go at GR.

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I''m a lifelong fan too. Devoting the whole of tomorrow and alot of money to go and watch my team. It''s a complete no brainer that we need a a decent striker up front, preferably in the Iwelumo mould for obvious reasons. Roeder knows that, we all know that yet here we are, start of another season and it''s just same old same old. Why do you think GR has done well in the transfer market ? who is going to score the goals that win games ?

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Love it! "Failed miserably," before the season''s even started and he''s already failed!

Fool!

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Too true.  Plus, y''know, he hasn''t failed miserably at all.  We''re missing one piece, that we''re still hunting hard for.  The team is clearly stronger...on paper, admittedly, but stronger nonetheless, than it has been in years. This is not ''failing'' by any definition, and to pretend it is is ridiculously counter-productive.

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We shall see and I hope I''m wrong but somehow I don''t think so. Using chess as the analogy, we''ve brought in alot of pawns and a couple of possible knights but the striker we so desperately need is a queen ! (sorry about that, but you know what I mean. I laughed to myself when I realised where this was going !) Not only that but I''m still so angry at missing out on Taylor when he was in our grasp. What a difference he would have made. Instead, what do we do ? We renew Doherty''s contract for another couple of years. I would have to use Buckaroo to analogize him !

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Love it! "Failed miserably," before the season''s even started and he''s already failed!

Fool!

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Failed miserably to get the striker that we so obviously lack not just now but all of last season too ?  What''s inaccurate about that then ?

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[quote user="Lord Snooty"]Here we are, the day before our opening game of the season and we don''t have the target man that all of us agree that we need, particularly Roeder. So, it''s already too late to bring in a striker to "gel" in time for the first match of the season.

It is just so flipping frustrating. Cureton is lost up front without a big, muscular striker alongside him , Lupoli is not fully fit and even when he is he only manages to score 7 goals in 40 plus appearances for Derby. Martin is a waste of space. Roeder talks a good talk (all his close frineds in the game blah blah) but he has has failed to bring in Rigters or Ched Evans or any decent striker. Ameobi clearly isn''t on his way to us. What a flipping fiasco.

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No he hasn''t failed. The scale of the rebuilding to make NCFC competitive, on a relatively shoestring budget was massive.

He has aquired quality IMO for less than one might have expected to pay for the players.

Goals cost money, and if by playing a waiting game he recruits similarly well, then I believe he has done spectacularly thus far.

Don''t forget we started our last premiership season with the Doc playing up front FFS.

He brought Ched in on loan in the first place!....given that he was unqualified success, how were Norwich going to compete financially with QPR, MAN CITY etc ?

Rome wasn''t built in a day, let alone Norwich overhauled root & branch.

Don''t talk rot and recognise his achievements so far in keeping us in the division and equipping us in the close season to compete!!!

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Oh please, stop it, the season hasn''t even started yet! At what point pplaying a few matches with a lot of new signings and injuries did you expect to ''gel'' some teams can just fit into place. I think GR has done well in the transfer market and we shall see that WHEN THE SEASON STARTS!

 

Sorry I am a lifelong fan who can''t critisise the team when we haven''t played a competitive match yet. So please Snooty wait until 5 or 6 games in to have a go at GR.

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I''m a lifelong fan too. Devoting the whole of tomorrow and alot of money to go and watch my team. It''s a complete no brainer that we need a a decent striker up front, preferably in the Iwelumo mould for obvious reasons. Roeder knows that, we all know that yet here we are, start of another season and it''s just same old same old. Why do you think GR has done well in the transfer market ? who is going to score the goals that win games ?

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Oh yes I agree we need a striker. But looking at the mass exodus at the end of last season GR has turned this into his team and who are we say he hasn''t done well? Doing what Grant failed to do and strengthen the defence, bolster the midfield the only he hasn''t completed is get in a big man up front which I believe he will do sooner or later. Goals don''t just come from strikers remember, and it only takes one goal to win a game (and all those old cliches!) I think I''m just anxious to get the season started so we can all talk about relevant things rather than speculating and moaning to no end!

 

You see this is the type of dicussion I enjoy!!!

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This is beyond belief really, what exactly did you expect from Roeder?! He has literally transformed our team completely from last season, it is barely recognisable. Yes we may have made it up with loans, but honestly the quality we have got in on loan could not be replicated at the same cost with a permanent transfer (with the exception of Hoolahan). We haven''t got the striker we need yet, but I trust Roeder to deliver.

Some people are never happy are they.

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[quote user="Lord Snooty"][quote user="jimidack"]

Oh please, stop it, the season hasn''t even started yet! At what point pplaying a few matches with a lot of new signings and injuries did you expect to ''gel'' some teams can just fit into place. I think GR has done well in the transfer market and we shall see that WHEN THE SEASON STARTS!

 

Sorry I am a lifelong fan who can''t critisise the team when we haven''t played a competitive match yet. So please Snooty wait until 5 or 6 games in to have a go at GR.

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I''m a lifelong fan too. Devoting the whole of tomorrow and alot of money to go and watch my team. It''s a complete no brainer that we need a a decent striker up front, preferably in the Iwelumo mould for obvious reasons. Roeder knows that, we all know that yet here we are, start of another season and it''s just same old same old. Why do you think GR has done well in the transfer market ? who is going to score the goals that win games ?

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I''m a life long fan! I''ll stay it all my life; But the fact is that we do not have enough power up front... Who''s gonna put the ball in the back of the net. But let''s wait and see first! On the ball, City!

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[quote user="walks on water"][quote user="Lord Snooty"]Here we are, the day before our opening game of the season and we don''t have the target man that all of us agree that we need, particularly Roeder. So, it''s already too late to bring in a striker to "gel" in time for the first match of the season.

It is just so flipping frustrating. Cureton is lost up front without a big, muscular striker alongside him , Lupoli is not fully fit and even when he is he only manages to score 7 goals in 40 plus appearances for Derby. Martin is a waste of space. Roeder talks a good talk (all his close frineds in the game blah blah) but he has has failed to bring in Rigters or Ched Evans or any decent striker. Ameobi clearly isn''t on his way to us. What a flipping fiasco.

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No he hasn''t failed. The scale of the rebuilding to make NCFC competitive, on a relatively shoestring budget was massive.

He has aquired quality IMO for less than one might have expected to pay for the players.

Goals cost money, and if by playing a waiting game he recruits similarly well, then I believe he has done spectacularly thus far.

Don''t forget we started our last premiership season with the Doc playing up front FFS.

He brought Ched in on loan in the first place!....given that he was unqualified success, how were Norwich going to compete financially with QPR, MAN CITY etc ?

Rome wasn''t built in a day, let alone Norwich overhauled root & branch.

Don''t talk rot and recognise his achievements so far in keeping us in the division and equipping us in the close season to compete!!!

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Brave words. Let''s see what happens then. The failure I was referring to was the failure to bring in a striker so most of what you say in criticism of my original post is irrelevant and of course your message anyway is nagted by your descent into insult "don''t talk rot" - what ? when referring to Roeder''s inability to bring in a sriker for the start of season. When''s he plannign to do that then ? October or ........ Jnauary like we did a few season ago when it was aready too late ?

 

 

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[quote user="ncfcstar"]This is beyond belief really, what exactly did you expect from Roeder?! He has literally transformed our team completely from last season, it is barely recognisable. Yes we may have made it up with loans, but honestly the quality we have got in on loan could not be replicated at the same cost with a permanent transfer (with the exception of Hoolahan). We haven''t got the striker we need yet, but I trust Roeder to deliver. Some people are never happy are they.[/quote]

 

Roeder has had since last January to bring in a striker to play alongside Cureton. I have watched game after game with Roeder in charge, balls being punted high and far to little old Cureton and Ched Evans up front. What''s going to be different bout tomorrow ? How long do you want to wait ?

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[quote user="Lord Snooty"]Here we are, the day before our opening game of the season and we don''t have the target man that all of us agree that we need, particularly Roeder. So, it''s already too late to bring in a striker to "gel" in time for the first match of the season.

It is just so flipping frustrating. Cureton is lost up front without a big, muscular striker alongside him , Lupoli is not fully fit and even when he is he only manages to score 7 goals in 40 plus appearances for Derby. Martin is a waste of space. Roeder talks a good talk (all his close frineds in the game blah blah) but he has has failed to bring in Rigters or Ched Evans or any decent striker. Ameobi clearly isn''t on his way to us. What a flipping fiasco.

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This is a joke, right? I should remind you that by this time last season Grant had brought two target men in (Brown and Strihavka) and that wasn''t exactly a roaring success, was it? I''d much rather Roeder gets the player he wants, and if that takes a bit longer then so be it.

P.S. I''m so sick of negative fans. It''s the first day of the season tomorrow, you''re supposed to be filled with optimism, whether justified or not!!

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The strikers were always the N01 priority because we had none at the club , Roeder has had all summer to get it sorted out and with the season starting tomorrow we are still weaker than water up front,that to me is failure . If you want too many young boys on loan Roeder seems to be the man but when it comes to getting permanent players in the door he seems to struggle ,but then he did say himself he never likes paying the going price (Martin Taylor being a prime example). Be interesting to see if Roeder fails in his 2nd season here much like he has everywhere else he''s been, it wouldnt be a massive surprise.

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I don''t think GR has failed miserably. There''s a couple of exciting signings there... Young lads, yes, but they''ll be raring to prove themselves and the bolstering of the defence was a priority alongside the stiker''s problem.

But I think he really needs to get this striker in if we are to have a carefree season!

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[quote user="Lord Snooty"][quote user="walks on water"][quote user="Lord Snooty"]Here we are, the day before our opening game of the season and we don''t have the target man that all of us agree that we need, particularly Roeder. So, it''s already too late to bring in a striker to "gel" in time for the first match of the season.

It is just so flipping frustrating. Cureton is lost up front without a big, muscular striker alongside him , Lupoli is not fully fit and even when he is he only manages to score 7 goals in 40 plus appearances for Derby. Martin is a waste of space. Roeder talks a good talk (all his close frineds in the game blah blah) but he has has failed to bring in Rigters or Ched Evans or any decent striker. Ameobi clearly isn''t on his way to us. What a flipping fiasco.

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No he hasn''t failed. The scale of the rebuilding to make NCFC competitive, on a relatively shoestring budget was massive.

He has aquired quality IMO for less than one might have expected to pay for the players.

Goals cost money, and if by playing a waiting game he recruits similarly well, then I believe he has done spectacularly thus far.

Don''t forget we started our last premiership season with the Doc playing up front FFS.

He brought Ched in on loan in the first place!....given that he was unqualified success, how were Norwich going to compete financially with QPR, MAN CITY etc ?

Rome wasn''t built in a day, let alone Norwich overhauled root & branch.

Don''t talk rot and recognise his achievements so far in keeping us in the division and equipping us in the close season to compete!!!

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Brave words. Let''s see what happens then. The failure I was referring to was the failure to bring in a striker so most of what you say in criticism of my original post is irrelevant and of course your message anyway is nagted by your descent into insult "don''t talk rot" - what ? when referring to Roeder''s inability to bring in a sriker for the start of season. When''s he plannign to do that then ? October or ........ Jnauary like we did a few season ago when it was aready too late ?

 

 

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Ah, then your ridiculous narrow definition is self fulfilling...we don''t yet have a big man ergo Roeder has failed miserably.

Not that populist is right but I''d maybe listen to the spectrum of opinion in response to your post. Maybe your assessment is disproportionate ???

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sorry mate dissagree ,we have not kicked a ball yet pre seasons nothing to go by half the players on that day wont even be starting a championship game and we have not seen a full game yet or some of the players even

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[quote user="topcanary1971"]sorry mate dissagree ,we have not kicked a ball yet pre seasons nothing to go by half the players on that day wont even be starting a championship game and we have not seen a full game yet or some of the players even[/quote]

Original post was thgree weeks ago. Since then three games gone, 2 points scraped and 7 points lost. One week left of the transfer window. Birmingham at home Saturday. Still no target man, still no strength up front.

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Well done Lord Snotty..have a cup of tea and a biccy and spend the afternoon basking in the warm glow of your self appreciation

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[quote user="nolegs"]Well done Lord Snotty..have a cup of tea and a biccy and spend the afternoon basking in the warm glow of your self appreciation
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That''s a good idea. Kettle''s on. Actually, Legless, given that the target man debate is still raging without any sign of satisfactory conclusion before the transfer window closes, I thought it was pertinent to resurrect this thread especially bearing in mind the criticism I and many other posters have endured from Board and Roeder apologists on this subject.

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