SuperWesIrishWizard 0 Posted July 8, 2008 Considering you were all moaning before Cullum popped on the scene, what does this board and management have to do to make you content and positive about next season and the longer term future? Ignoring any possibility of investment, and assuming that this would all be done in the next 14 days. Mine would be:Sign Marco Rigters 400kSign David Bell 600k Sign Antoine Sibierski FreeSign Veteren back up keeper FreeSign a centre back capable of playing ahead of either Doherty or Shackell 500k +Loan another centre back capable of playing ahead of Doherty or Shackell FreeSign a right back as cover / challenge for Otsemober Free - 500kMake a genuine effort to sign Ched Evans back on loan(Or very similar transfer activity, such as swapping Bell for Rigters, and signing somebody such as Scott Sinclair from Chelsea if we cant get Ched)In additionAdmit that their transfer and contract policies in the recent past have been a shambles, and that it was a mistake to set such low release clauses for Etuhu and Earnshaw, whilst stating a desire to put on field activity before off field activity in the foreseeable future. Especially Etuhu.Admit that under investment into the playing squad and getting a ''cheap'' manager could very nearly have lost us our league position. (This blame must be put to the board)State categorically that they will back Roeder over the next two seasons with the genuine intention of building a top six team.Roeder or the club to come clean over the departure of backroom staff members and state the reasons behind this e.g. to have a smaller coaching team which they genuinly believe to be a higher calibre.I dont requireAny explanation over the Joe Lewis situation, knowing personally that certain England coaching staff rate Declan Rudd higher than they do Joe Lewis.Any justification over the sale of Huckerby, as long as the squad is stronger all round - and that this is directly assisted by the saving in Huckerbys wages.Any explanation for anything that happened in the Worthington era, this is distant past and should be forgotten. If the next 14 days went something like this, then the board would have my complete backing, or at least some degree of respect again. Over to you...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperWesIrishWizard 0 Posted July 8, 2008 Just before the literature police nab me...... I meant to say "The Release of Huckerby" and "Very nearly cost us our league status" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperWesIrishWizard 0 Posted July 8, 2008 I also meant to say "Such as swapping Bell for Gow" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Camuldonum 0 Posted July 8, 2008 [quote user="ryank"]Considering you were all moaning before Cullum popped on the scene, what does this board and management have to do to make you content and positive about next season and the longer term future? Ignoring any possibility of investment, and assuming that this would all be done in the next 14 days. Mine would be:Sign Marco Rigters 400k Sign David Bell 600k Sign Antoine Sibierski Free Sign Veteren back up keeper Free Sign a centre back capable of playing ahead of either Doherty or Shackell 500k + Loan another centre back capable of playing ahead of Doherty or Shackell Free Sign a right back as cover / challenge for Otsemober Free - 500k Make a genuine effort to sign Ched Evans back on loan(Or very similar transfer activity, such as swapping Bell for Rigters, and signing somebody such as Scott Sinclair from Chelsea if we cant get Ched)In additionAdmit that their transfer and contract policies in the recent past have been a shambles, and that it was a mistake to set such low release clauses for Etuhu and Earnshaw, whilst stating a desire to put on field activity before off field activity in the foreseeable future. Especially Etuhu. Admit that under investment into the playing squad and getting a ''cheap'' manager could very nearly have lost us our league position. (This blame must be put to the board) State categorically that they will back Roeder over the next two seasons with the genuine intention of building a top six team. Roeder or the club to come clean over the departure of backroom staff members and state the reasons behind this e.g. to have a smaller coaching team which they genuinly believe to be a higher calibre.I dont requireAny explanation over the Joe Lewis situation, knowing personally that certain England coaching staff rate Declan Rudd higher than they do Joe Lewis. Any justification over the sale of Huckerby, as long as the squad is stronger all round - and that this is directly assisted by the saving in Huckerbys wages. Any explanation for anything that happened in the Worthington era, this is distant past and should be forgotten. If the next 14 days went something like this, then the board would have my complete backing, or at least some degree of respect again. [/quote] See under In Addition. You only signed Hoolahan because you triggered the release clause which his Agent helpfully rang around with. Shambles or what?The delay with Gow is because he and his Agent want one and you don''t. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperWesIrishWizard 0 Posted July 8, 2008 [quote user="camuldonum"][quote user="ryank"] Considering you were all moaning before Cullum popped on the scene, what does this board and management have to do to make you content and positive about next season and the longer term future? Ignoring any possibility of investment, and assuming that this would all be done in the next 14 days. Mine would be:Sign Marco Rigters 400k Sign David Bell 600k Sign Antoine Sibierski Free Sign Veteren back up keeper Free Sign a centre back capable of playing ahead of either Doherty or Shackell 500k + Loan another centre back capable of playing ahead of Doherty or Shackell Free Sign a right back as cover / challenge for Otsemober Free - 500k Make a genuine effort to sign Ched Evans back on loan(Or very similar transfer activity, such as swapping Bell for Rigters, and signing somebody such as Scott Sinclair from Chelsea if we cant get Ched)In additionAdmit that their transfer and contract policies in the recent past have been a shambles, and that it was a mistake to set such low release clauses for Etuhu and Earnshaw, whilst stating a desire to put on field activity before off field activity in the foreseeable future. Especially Etuhu. Admit that under investment into the playing squad and getting a ''cheap'' manager could very nearly have lost us our league position. (This blame must be put to the board) State categorically that they will back Roeder over the next two seasons with the genuine intention of building a top six team. Roeder or the club to come clean over the departure of backroom staff members and state the reasons behind this e.g. to have a smaller coaching team which they genuinly believe to be a higher calibre.I dont requireAny explanation over the Joe Lewis situation, knowing personally that certain England coaching staff rate Declan Rudd higher than they do Joe Lewis. Any justification over the sale of Huckerby, as long as the squad is stronger all round - and that this is directly assisted by the saving in Huckerbys wages. Any explanation for anything that happened in the Worthington era, this is distant past and should be forgotten. If the next 14 days went something like this, then the board would have my complete backing, or at least some degree of respect again. [/quote] See under In Addition. You only signed Hoolahan because you triggered the release clause which his Agent helpfully rang around with. Shambles or what?The delay with Gow is because he and his Agent want one and you don''t. [/quote]Hoolohans release clause has nothing to do with Etuhu''s or Earnshaws does it? Blackpool made a 300% profit on the 75k that they paid for Hoolohan, Norwich bought Earnshaw for £3million and gave him a release clause of £3.5million. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ron obvious 1,711 Posted July 8, 2008 [quote user="ryank"]Hoolohans release clause has nothing to do with Etuhu''s or Earnshaws does it? Blackpool made a 300% profit on the 75k that they paid for Hoolohan, Norwich bought Earnshaw for £3million and gave him a release clause of £3.5million.[/quote]Hmmm. I reckon you''ve got a much better chance of having a player go from £75k to £250k than £3m to £10m, especially in the case of these 2 particular players. What was the % profit ion Chris Brown, for example? So perhaps £500k vs. £i75k isn''t so bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joanna Grey 0 Posted July 8, 2008 So the Gow transfer is held up because of a release clause? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperWesIrishWizard 0 Posted July 8, 2008 [quote user="ron obvious"][quote user="ryank"]Hoolohans release clause has nothing to do with Etuhu''s or Earnshaws does it? Blackpool made a 300% profit on the 75k that they paid for Hoolohan, Norwich bought Earnshaw for £3million and gave him a release clause of £3.5million.[/quote]Hmmm. I reckon you''ve got a much better chance of having a player go from £75k to £250k than £3m to £10m, especially in the case of these 2 particular players. What was the % profit ion Chris Brown, for example? So perhaps £500k vs. £i75k isn''t so bad.[/quote]We didnt make any profit on Earnshaw though did we? We bought Ashton for about 3.5m and sold him for what 6m? why did the board not see that Earnshaw had potential for a higher transfer fee? The simple fact is that Earnshaw chose to leave, and we couldnt stop him because he had a release clause. Same with Etuhu. The board gave those two players too much player power. Remember that we stated a month before Earnshaw went that people would have to break the bank to sign him, before it transpired that he had a release clause. Im not suggesting a £10million pound release clause, anybody that thinks he could ever be worth £10m is a nutter, why not NO RELEASE CLAUSE? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperWesIrishWizard 0 Posted July 8, 2008 [quote user="ryank"][quote user="ron obvious"][quote user="ryank"] Hoolohans release clause has nothing to do with Etuhu''s or Earnshaws does it? Blackpool made a 300% profit on the 75k that they paid for Hoolohan, Norwich bought Earnshaw for £3million and gave him a release clause of £3.5million.[/quote]Hmmm. I reckon you''ve got a much better chance of having a player go from £75k to £250k than £3m to £10m, especially in the case of these 2 particular players. What was the % profit ion Chris Brown, for example? So perhaps £500k vs. £i75k isn''t so bad.[/quote]We didnt make any profit on Earnshaw though did we? We bought Ashton for about 3.5m and sold him for what 6m? why did the board not see that Earnshaw had potential for a higher transfer fee? The simple fact is that Earnshaw chose to leave, and we couldnt stop him because he had a release clause. Same with Etuhu. The board gave those two players too much player power. Remember that we stated a month before Earnshaw went that people would have to break the bank to sign him, before it transpired that he had a release clause. Im not suggesting a £10million pound release clause, anybody that thinks he could ever be worth £10m is a nutter, why not NO RELEASE CLAUSE? [/quote]We I say we made no profit on Earnshaw, I am basing this on 10% signing on fee (300k) and 10% agent fee (300k). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperWesIrishWizard 0 Posted July 8, 2008 [quote user="bunny"]So the Gow transfer is held up because of a release clause?[/quote]Source? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperWesIrishWizard 0 Posted July 8, 2008 [quote user="ryank"][quote user="bunny"]So the Gow transfer is held up because of a release clause?[/quote]Source?[/quote]Oh that other bloke above. In that case, what is his source? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperWesIrishWizard 0 Posted July 8, 2008 Nobody has told me what they would want the board to do to make them happy? Rather than pick holes in my ideals, why dont you tell me what you want them to do in the next 14 days Bunny to make you happy? Afterall I dont have to justify my opinions when I am clearly just asking for yours. Spit it out then...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ron obvious 1,711 Posted July 8, 2008 [quote user="ryank"]Hoolohans release clause has nothing to do with Etuhu''s or Earnshaws does it? Blackpool made a 300% profit on the 75k that they paid for Hoolohan, Norwich bought Earnshaw for £3million and gave him a release clause of £3.5million.We didnt make any profit on Earnshaw though did we? We bought Ashton for about 3.5m and sold him for what 6m? why did the board not see that Earnshaw had potential for a higher transfer fee? The simple fact is that Earnshaw chose to leave, and we couldnt stop him because he had a release clause. Same with Etuhu. The board gave those two players too much player power. Remember that we stated a month before Earnshaw went that people would have to break the bank to sign him, before it transpired that he had a release clause. Im not suggesting a £10million pound release clause, anybody that thinks he could ever be worth £10m is a nutter, why not NO RELEASE CLAUSE? [/quote]Because Earnie would not have come without a release clause. And we wouldn''t have Hoolahan for £250k without the release clause. Why aren''t you factoring signing in & agent''s fees for Hoolahan?The Ashton deal was fantastic. It was like buying cheap money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
First Wizard 0 Posted July 8, 2008 To make me happy and positive?..........Smith & Jones standing down and Donny resigning..........not much to ask I guess![;)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blahblahblah 2 Posted July 8, 2008 [quote user="ryank"][quote user="ryank"] [quote user="bunny"]So the Gow transfer is held up because of a release clause?[/quote]Source?[/quote]Oh that other bloke above. In that case, what is his source? [/quote]His source is probably the horses'' mouth - it''s his job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ron obvious 1,711 Posted July 8, 2008 Like to add that I pretty well agree with your first post - I thought it well-argued & set out clearly. Just my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Walking Man 13 Posted July 8, 2008 [quote user="ryank"][quote user="ron obvious"][quote user="ryank"] Hoolohans release clause has nothing to do with Etuhu''s or Earnshaws does it? Blackpool made a 300% profit on the 75k that they paid for Hoolohan, Norwich bought Earnshaw for £3million and gave him a release clause of £3.5million.[/quote]Hmmm. I reckon you''ve got a much better chance of having a player go from £75k to £250k than £3m to £10m, especially in the case of these 2 particular players. What was the % profit ion Chris Brown, for example? So perhaps £500k vs. £i75k isn''t so bad.[/quote]We didnt make any profit on Earnshaw though did we? We bought Ashton for about 3.5m and sold him for what 6m? why did the board not see that Earnshaw had potential for a higher transfer fee? The simple fact is that Earnshaw chose to leave, and we couldnt stop him because he had a release clause. Same with Etuhu. The board gave those two players too much player power. Remember that we stated a month before Earnshaw went that people would have to break the bank to sign him, before it transpired that he had a release clause. Im not suggesting a £10million pound release clause, anybody that thinks he could ever be worth £10m is a nutter, why not NO RELEASE CLAUSE? [/quote]Wasn''t it because hat was a key part of the deal to get Etuhu and Earnshaw here? The agent''s insist on it to increase the chance of their player moving club meaning more money for them... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Be Smart & sell to Cullum 0 Posted July 8, 2008 [quote user="1st Wizard"]To make me happy and positive?..........Smith & Jones standing down and Donny resigning..........not much to ask I guess![;)][/quote]I am with you on this, stop the rot at the club now get rid of the dead wood Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperWesIrishWizard 0 Posted July 8, 2008 [quote user="ron obvious"][quote user="ryank"] Hoolohans release clause has nothing to do with Etuhu''s or Earnshaws does it? Blackpool made a 300% profit on the 75k that they paid for Hoolohan, Norwich bought Earnshaw for £3million and gave him a release clause of £3.5million.We didnt make any profit on Earnshaw though did we? We bought Ashton for about 3.5m and sold him for what 6m? why did the board not see that Earnshaw had potential for a higher transfer fee? The simple fact is that Earnshaw chose to leave, and we couldnt stop him because he had a release clause. Same with Etuhu. The board gave those two players too much player power. Remember that we stated a month before Earnshaw went that people would have to break the bank to sign him, before it transpired that he had a release clause. Im not suggesting a £10million pound release clause, anybody that thinks he could ever be worth £10m is a nutter, why not NO RELEASE CLAUSE? [/quote]Because Earnie would not have come without a release clause. And we wouldn''t have Hoolahan for £250k without the release clause. Why aren''t you factoring signing in & agent''s fees for Hoolahan?The Ashton deal was fantastic. It was like buying cheap money.[/quote]I agree, the Ashton deal was fantastic, but I am not mentioning anything that happened prior to Worthingtons departure! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evil Monkey 52 Posted July 8, 2008 Unfortunately, I think the release clause thing is just the wayfootball is going these days - players and agents have more power thanthe clubs it seems! I agree that the release clauses for these playerscould have been higher, though - say, £5m for Earnie - but thatparticular deal was somewhat rushed I think and so the club could beheld accountable for not sorting it out sooner.Otherwise, I''d pretty much agree with everything else you''ve written,except that I''d also like Shola stuck in there for good measure - Idon''t know why, but I just get the feeling that he could turn out to bethe "new Huckerby". And before I''m lynched for that, I''m notnecessarily referring to ability or impact, just that Hucks waslanguishing in the Man City reserves under Keegan and chose to drop aleague to work with a manager he respected and who was able to get thebest out of him. Here we are with Keegan at Newcastle, and amanager in Roeder who has previously got the best out of Shola, so younever know........ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
woody 0 Posted July 8, 2008 I''m not sure there is anything that would make some happy...I''m afraid release clauses are a fact of life, as are parasitic agent scumbags. Was it not Wenger who last week suggested that player power had reached the stage where transfer fees were likely to become history.... Marc Bosman - so much to answer for... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeelansGlove 0 Posted July 8, 2008 Not sure about Sibierski but in general most of this makes sense we need to sign a quality goalscorer maybe Ameobi but definately a centre forward to replace Dion as we currently do not have this option.Ched or Similar on loan as well and I guess I would be relatively happy with what you have suggestedAll of the things you suggest are important but without the quality centre forward we will struggle again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
San Miguel 0 Posted July 8, 2008 give me back £50 off my season ticket when the takeover is done and we''re a billionaire club... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syteanric 1 Posted July 8, 2008 i expect the only delay with Gow is that he doesnt really want to sign for us.. he is stalling till the last minbute wanting a Bigger club and more money.. if it gets near the end of August he might sign up...he will then either do an Ian Murray and not give a hoot...or play well for 10 games till the big clubs come sniffing and then not give a hoot again as he will soon be off....I''d start looking elsewhere if i was Roederjas :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timncfc 0 Posted July 8, 2008 just a feelin,but i really dont think the money is there at the moment for these signings. i think every penny we got should b spent on forwards(ie not worry about back up keeper,if marshell gets injured we can get loan in when and if it happens) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
