"Two games" and now this

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This is not the first time that a departure from the club has been handled appallingly.  The "two games" statement from the majority shareholders led to Worthy departing in the most humiliating way possible.  He didn''t deserve that, and nor does Hucks deserve this.

Stick to cheating at cookery Delia.

 

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The fans have been kept in the dark for years now. They just want us to turn up in large numbers, clap, don''t stand and go home quietly! We mustn''t know where the money is, what''s happening to our players and no one must question the role of Doomcaster!

Thankyou Hucks....Legend!

[nutty nigel 7,902]

[quote user="Fat Prophet"]

This is not the first time that a departure from the club has been handled appallingly.  The "two games" statement from the majority shareholders led to Worthy departing in the most humiliating way possible.  He didn''t deserve that, and nor does Hucks deserve this.

Stick to cheating at cookery Delia.

 

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What did Worthy deserve then? Did he deserve the disgraceful hate campaign waged by newspaper columnists and posters on this and other message boards? In fact the same posters who are crying about Huckerby''s treatment. Worthy was here for six years, he was even responsible for the signing of Huckerby. Did he deserve his "send off"?

 

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[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Fat Prophet"]

This is not the first time that a departure from the club has been handled appallingly.  The "two games" statement from the majority shareholders led to Worthy departing in the most humiliating way possible.  He didn''t deserve that, and nor does Hucks deserve this.

Stick to cheating at cookery Delia.

 

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What did Worthy deserve then? Did he deserve the disgraceful hate campaign waged by newspaper columnists and posters on this and other message boards? In fact the same posters who are crying about Huckerby''s treatment. Worthy was here for six years, he was even responsible for the signing of Huckerby. Did he deserve his "send off"?

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Ha. Never thought about it that way, rather amusing.

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[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Fat Prophet"]

This is not the first time that a departure from the club has been handled appallingly.  The "two games" statement from the majority shareholders led to Worthy departing in the most humiliating way possible.  He didn''t deserve that, and nor does Hucks deserve this.

Stick to cheating at cookery Delia.

 

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What did Worthy deserve then? Did he deserve the disgraceful hate campaign waged by newspaper columnists and posters on this and other message boards? In fact the same posters who are crying about Huckerby''s treatment. Worthy was here for six years, he was even responsible for the signing of Huckerby. Did he deserve his "send off"?

 

[/quote]Brilliant post NN.

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[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Fat Prophet"]

This is not the first time that a departure from the club has been handled appallingly.  The "two games" statement from the majority shareholders led to Worthy departing in the most humiliating way possible.  He didn''t deserve that, and nor does Hucks deserve this.

Stick to cheating at cookery Delia.

 

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What did Worthy deserve then? Did he deserve the disgraceful hate campaign waged by newspaper columnists and posters on this and other message boards? In fact the same posters who are crying about Huckerby''s treatment. Worthy was here for six years, he was even responsible for the signing of Huckerby. Did he deserve his "send off"?

 

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He most certainly didn`t nutty.  But then you`ve got all offended and uppity when i once described Norwich fans as "thick"........

What would you describe those Worthy-haters as? 

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[quote user="Matt"]

The fans have been kept in the dark for years now. They just want us to turn up in large numbers, clap, don''t stand and go home quietly! We mustn''t know where the money is, what''s happening to our players and no one must question the role of Doomcaster!

Thankyou Hucks....Legend!

[/quote]matt, my dear cousin, the board are not accountable for everything, as much as its easy to blame the board. hucks was treated poorly, I''m glad I got to say goodbye at hillsborough, but at end of the day this was glenns decision.I do get annoyed with the board but lets wait for july and see what the club is doing then shall we?

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[quote user="Fat Prophet"]

This is not the first time that a departure from the club has been handled appallingly.  The "two games" statement from the majority shareholders led to Worthy departing in the most humiliating way possible.  He didn''t deserve that, and nor does Hucks deserve this.

Stick to cheating at cookery Delia.

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Agreed, I can''t believe it, Sickening lack of respect for a true servant to the club. Hucks is worth 10 of those in the Boardroom, we are the proverbial mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed on bull****.

[nutty nigel 7,902]

[quote user="Mr.Carrow"]

He most certainly didn`t nutty.  But then you`ve got all offended and uppity when i once described Norwich fans as "thick"........

What would you describe those Worthy-haters as? 

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Uppity[^o)] That''s a new one..... Taking liberties or assuming airs beyond one''s station seems more like you Mr Carrow[8-|][*] to be fair [;)]

Today I would describe some of them as a little bit two faced [:-*]... In the nicest possible way [:$]

 

[canary cherub 1]

[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Fat Prophet"]

This is not the first time that a departure from the club has been handled appallingly.  The "two games" statement from the majority shareholders led to Worthy departing in the most humiliating way possible.  He didn''t deserve that, and nor does Hucks deserve this.

Stick to cheating at cookery Delia.

 

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What did Worthy deserve then? Did he deserve the disgraceful hate campaign waged by newspaper columnists and posters on this and other message boards? In fact the same posters who are crying about Huckerby''s treatment. Worthy was here for six years, he was even responsible for the signing of Huckerby. Did he deserve his "send off"?

 

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A classic Nutty post.  How to deflect discussion from the real issue (especially if it involves the board) in one easy lesson  . . . 

 

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[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Fat Prophet"]

This is not the first time that a departure from the club has been handled appallingly.  The "two games" statement from the majority shareholders led to Worthy departing in the most humiliating way possible.  He didn''t deserve that, and nor does Hucks deserve this.

Stick to cheating at cookery Delia.

 

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What did Worthy deserve then? Did he deserve the disgraceful hate campaign waged by newspaper columnists and posters on this and other message boards? In fact the same posters who are crying about Huckerby''s treatment. Worthy was here for six years, he was even responsible for the signing of Huckerby. Did he deserve his "send off"?

 

[/quote]if worthy and the board had any sense he''d have gone much earlier.  his long drawn out departure was torturish for all - and the strength of feeling was for all to see at the st.andrews hall meeting.  this strength of feeling wasn''t imagined or engineed by evil message board posters/newspaper columnists - it was real, spontaneous and genuine.   the board choose not to act on that feeling - and our great club suffered for their failures.  cos worthy didn''t win any doubters in the crowd or dressing room over in his final season, but he only signed croft in the close season - so hardly given a fighting chance by the board.  instead, we dithered and wasted our final parachute season.  unbelieveable really, but no - this is the NCFC board we''re talking about!!!worthy should''ve been backed or sacked in the close season, but he wasn''t afforded this luxury - more hung out to dry.  yeah, i agree, how shameful is that??? but then, for managers, especially those who get the chop despite past glories - very rarely do they get thanks - its an occupational hazzard for ''em i guess.  mind you - the pay-off soffened the blow - and after taking a well-earned rest, only mandric briefly gambled on him, and won - but still the right offers didn''t come along, so he ended up NI boss.  says it all for me - the fans were right!!! make no mistake - they weighed up the situuaaashum perfectly - and most right thinkers also know wot a shower of failures this present board is.  the finishing positions don''t lie...  

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I believe Worthy did more for this club than Roeder will ever do...

[nutty nigel 7,902]

It was you that brought up the Worthy issue not me Fat. I just replied to your post. I have posted what I think about the way Hucks departure was handled on other relevant threads.

Lucky - You have just made a very good case for why Worthy didn''t deserve the treatment he got from the fans. But you can''t bring yourself to say it. It''s an occupational hazard ...he deserved it because he got what his contract entitled him too? Whatever sort of statement would that be? Huckerby got everything his contract entitled him to as well you know. The finishing positions don''t lie my friend and Worthy never finished below 9th in this league where as no other manager has finished higher than 9th since our relegation in 1995. Those finishing positions over the last 13 seasons must mean something... musn''t they?

 

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[quote user="nutty nigel"]

It was you that brought up the Worthy issue not me Fat. I just replied to your post. I have posted what I think about the way Hucks departure was handled on other relevant threads.

Lucky - You have just made a very good case for why Worthy didn''t deserve the treatment he got from the fans. But you can''t bring yourself to say it. It''s an occupational hazard ...he deserved it because he got what his contract entitled him too? Whatever sort of statement would that be? Huckerby got everything his contract entitled him to as well you know. The finishing positions don''t lie my friend and Worthy never finished below 9th in this league where as no other manager has finished higher than 9th since our relegation in 1995. Those finishing positions over the last 13 seasons must mean something... musn''t they?

 

[/quote]for sure, worthy was the most successful NCFC manager in the last 12 years - but thats hardly saying much for a big club like ours.  but it comes down to expectations - he made the ''no excuses decl'' pre first season back in the champs - but then found the squad was too weak to deliver.   in fairness, he probably deserved more of a chance - but when expectations were not met, he had to go in many fans eyes.  thats ''big club'' expectations not being met - a rare beast among traditionally tolerant NCFC fans.but anyway - to compare mamnagers and players treatment is incomparable in my view for obvious reasons.  but there is a change in supporters mood over hucks dismissal.  complaints and talk of demos.  malky went without a murmer.  a clear sign if discontent in the carra rd faithful?!?i think most realistic fans expectations this term, is to avoid relegation first, probably consolidate in mid-table, an if things go very well - end up challenging for the top 6 - in that order. 

[canary cherub 1]

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

It was you that brought up the Worthy issue not me Fat. I just replied to your post. I have posted what I think about the way Hucks departure was handled on other relevant threads.

Lucky - You have just made a very good case for why Worthy didn''t deserve the treatment he got from the fans. But you can''t bring yourself to say it. It''s an occupational hazard ...he deserved it because he got what his contract entitled him too? Whatever sort of statement would that be? Huckerby got everything his contract entitled him to as well you know. The finishing positions don''t lie my friend and Worthy never finished below 9th in this league where as no other manager has finished higher than 9th since our relegation in 1995. Those finishing positions over the last 13 seasons must mean something... musn''t they?

 

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I was talking about the way the boad handles departures Nutty, not what led up to it.  Your point seemed to be that fans who were involved in the Worthy Out campaign and are now upset about Hucks departure are hypocrites.  That''s a completely different issue.

 

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[quote user="Fat Prophet"]

I was talking about the way the boad handles departures Nutty, not what led up to it.  Your point seemed to be that fans who were involved in the Worthy Out campaign and are now upset about Hucks departure are hypocrites.  That''s a completely different issue.

 

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Well I''m sorry for commenting on a subject you brought up but it seems completely relevant to me. And some fans have been behaving just a little bit like hypocrites this week. You may not like the things I believe in but I am consistent whether it be Robert Chase, Delia Smith, Nigel Worthington or Darren Huckerby.

Lucky - I don''t go along with the differences you seem to see between footballers and managers or even board members and fans. No good honest person deserves to be put through what Worthy was however you dress it up. Why do you only quote "league positions don''t lie" when it suits you? Never lower than 9th under Worthy, never better than 9th for the 6 seasons before him and 2 since. We all hope that next season see''s a return to what we had when he was manager. I agree that his time was probably up when he left but my whole point is that he didn''t deserve his send off and the way he was treated leading up to his departure and some of the bitter stuff that still gets posted now.

 

 

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[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Fat Prophet"]

I was talking about the way the boad handles departures Nutty, not what led up to it.  Your point seemed to be that fans who were involved in the Worthy Out campaign and are now upset about Hucks departure are hypocrites.  That''s a completely different issue.

 

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Well I''m sorry for commenting on a subject you brought up but it seems completely relevant to me. And some fans have been behaving just a little bit like hypocrites this week. You may not like the things I believe in but I am consistent whether it be Robert Chase, Delia Smith, Nigel Worthington or Darren Huckerby.

Lucky - I don''t go along with the differences you seem to see between footballers and managers or even board members and fans. No good honest person deserves to be put through what Worthy was however you dress it up. Why do you only quote "league positions don''t lie" when it suits you? Never lower than 9th under Worthy, never better than 9th for the 6 seasons before him and 2 since. We all hope that next season see''s a return to what we had when he was manager. I agree that his time was probably up when he left but my whole point is that he didn''t deserve his send off and the way he was treated leading up to his departure and some of the bitter stuff that still gets posted now.

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That is what happens when a manager stays well past their sell by date and puts in broadsides directed at the fans followed by results which couldn''t back him up. 

Worthy wasn''t the first manager in football to suffer undeservedly in this way and won''t be the last i''m sure.

[canary cherub 1]

[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Fat Prophet"]

I was talking about the way the boad handles departures Nutty, not what led up to it.  Your point seemed to be that fans who were involved in the Worthy Out campaign and are now upset about Hucks departure are hypocrites.  That''s a completely different issue.

 

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Well I''m sorry for commenting on a subject you brought up but it seems completely relevant to me. And some fans have been behaving just a little bit like hypocrites this week. You may not like the things I believe in but I am consistent whether it be Robert Chase, Delia Smith, Nigel Worthington or Darren Huckerby.

Lucky - I don''t go along with the differences you seem to see between footballers and managers or even board members and fans. No good honest person deserves to be put through what Worthy was however you dress it up. Why do you only quote "league positions don''t lie" when it suits you? Never lower than 9th under Worthy, never better than 9th for the 6 seasons before him and 2 since. We all hope that next season see''s a return to what we had when he was manager. I agree that his time was probably up when he left but my whole point is that he didn''t deserve his send off and the way he was treated leading up to his departure and some of the bitter stuff that still gets posted now.

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That is what happens when a manager stays well past their sell by date and puts in broadsides directed at the fans followed by results which couldn''t back him up. 

Worthy wasn''t the first manager in football to suffer undeservedly in this way and won''t be the last i''m sure.

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This thread is like a supermarket trolley with a wonky wheel!

To try and get back on course, what I''m trying to get at is the way the people who run this club handle high profile departures, as exemplified by the "two games" statement.   What purpose did it serve except to signal to the WOs that they were pushing at an open door and create the most poisonous atmosphere in the history of Carrow Road?  Worthy''s public humiliation in the full glare of TV cameras shocked  many neutral observers and even some WOs, and brought shame on our club.  

 

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[quote user="ipswichrscum"]I believe Worthy did more for this club than Roeder will ever do...[/quote]

how can you possibly know .... nice crystal ball buddy [:#]

[nutty nigel 7,902]

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This thread is like a supermarket trolley with a wonky wheel!

To try and get back on course, what I''m trying to get at is the way the people who run this club handle high profile departures, as exemplified by the "two games" statement.   What purpose did it serve except to signal to the WOs that they were pushing at an open door and create the most poisonous atmosphere in the history of Carrow Road?  Worthy''s public humiliation in the full glare of TV cameras shocked  many neutral observers and even some WOs, and brought shame on our club.  

 

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And you are right that the people who run the club handled Worthy''s departure badly, and I said so at the time. Just like Huckerby''s has been handled badly as I have repeatedly said at this time. But it also can''t be denied that many of the people who are complaining about this are the same people who were part of the disgraceful send off Worthy was given.

Wonky wheel or not you can''t get away from that fact.

And as for the "two game" statement creating the most poisonous atmosphere ever at Carrow Road - surely the most poisonous atmosphere was at the QPR game the previous season where fans were cheering opposition goals and fighting amongst themselves. It''s worth pointing out that Hucks played for the badge and his manager while all this was going on. He actually scored from a header!! That game was also our 6th consecutive home win and I am still totally amazed at the hatred shown toward Worthy from some commentators and fans.

This may seem like opening old wounds but they do still fester and trying to rewrite history to suit your own agenda doesn''t do anyone any favours.

 

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[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Fat Prophet"][

This thread is like a supermarket trolley with a wonky wheel!

To try and get back on course, what I''m trying to get at is the way the people who run this club handle high profile departures, as exemplified by the "two games" statement.   What purpose did it serve except to signal to the WOs that they were pushing at an open door and create the most poisonous atmosphere in the history of Carrow Road?  Worthy''s public humiliation in the full glare of TV cameras shocked  many neutral observers and even some WOs, and brought shame on our club.  

 

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And you are right that the people who run the club handled Worthy''s departure badly, and I said so at the time. Just like Huckerby''s has been handled badly as I have repeatedly said at this time. But it also can''t be denied that many of the people who are complaining about this are the same people who were part of the disgraceful send off Worthy was given.

Wonky wheel or not you can''t get away from that fact.

And as for the "two game" statement creating the most poisonous atmosphere ever at Carrow Road - surely the most poisonous atmosphere was at the QPR game the previous season where fans were cheering opposition goals and fighting amongst themselves. It''s worth pointing out that Hucks played for the badge and his manager while all this was going on. He actually scored from a header!! That game was also our 6th consecutive home win and I am still totally amazed at the hatred shown toward Worthy from some commentators and fans.

This may seem like opening old wounds but they do still fester and trying to rewrite history to suit your own agenda doesn''t do anyone any favours.

 

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Nutty I agree that some of the most vocal WOs are up in arms about Hucks'' departure and the way it was handled.  But don''t dismiss it as hypocrisy in every case.  It could be a measure of how far they''ve moved on in the last 18 months.  Very few people were willing to examine the myth of "This is a well run club" and "Prudence with Ambition" at that time.  If things were going wrong it couldn''t possibly be anything to do with the board. their only fault was in not sacking him sooner.  I''d rather leave it to the WOs to speak for themselves however.

As for whether QPR or Burnley had a worse atmosphere, I agree there''s not much to choose, but the fact that it had happened before meant that the board knew full well what was likely to take place in front of the cameras and makes them even more culpable in my view.

 

 

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[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Fat Prophet"]

I was talking about the way the boad handles departures Nutty, not what led up to it.  Your point seemed to be that fans who were involved in the Worthy Out campaign and are now upset about Hucks departure are hypocrites.  That''s a completely different issue.

 

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Well I''m sorry for commenting on a subject you brought up but it seems completely relevant to me. And some fans have been behaving just a little bit like hypocrites this week. You may not like the things I believe in but I am consistent whether it be Robert Chase, Delia Smith, Nigel Worthington or Darren Huckerby.

Lucky - I don''t go along with the differences you seem to see between footballers and managers or even board members and fans. No good honest person deserves to be put through what Worthy was however you dress it up. Why do you only quote "league positions don''t lie" when it suits you? Never lower than 9th under Worthy, never better than 9th for the 6 seasons before him and 2 since. We all hope that next season see''s a return to what we had when he was manager. I agree that his time was probably up when he left but my whole point is that he didn''t deserve his send off and the way he was treated leading up to his departure and some of the bitter stuff that still gets posted now.

 

 

[/quote]NN - u seem intent on stuffing words in my mouth.  of course nobody deserves adverse treatment, if they haven''t invited it - but when the situassshuun turns sour in life, we all have a choice to recognise the event and act appropriately, whether it be to escape the field of battle with honour intact or tough it out in order to turns things around.  clearly, worthy endured a difficult first season return into the  champs  after relegation, and  he chose to tough it out for another season.   the board gave him a public second life, but with no extra troops - he had his back to the wall from the off.   certainly, the end was a messy, fudged affair - and worthy refused to go - (rightly or wrongly) ensuring he would face humilation on live TV, and drag our club into the mire as well.  he received his money - and so left on his terms.  he decided his own fate - when he could''ve gone before with honour intact, or equally, the board could have bitten the bullet much earlier and sacked him before the TV game.  the fudge and bitterness that followed brought shame on our club, confrimed the board as next to useless, encouraged the mob to rear up outa the city crowd, and tarnished worthy''s brass neck.  a bad, bad day - make no mistake.  one that we all have perhaps recovered properly from.so upon reflection - no - imo worthy was not good, or honest at the end,  and could''ve chosen a more honourable course of action - but instead he went for the lolly and so copped an earful!!!  his and the boards choice - no one''s elses.as for hucks - a legend who ruffled feathers and got his nose rubbed in it.as for finishing posi''s - they are the ultimate judge of a teams performance.  in my view - they represent chronic failure and underperfromance - but then my expectation is that NCFC is a big club - as does roedy!!! 

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[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Fat Prophet"]

This is not the first time that a departure from the club has been handled appallingly.  The "two games" statement from the majority shareholders led to Worthy departing in the most humiliating way possible.  He didn''t deserve that, and nor does Hucks deserve this.

Stick to cheating at cookery Delia.

 

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What did Worthy deserve then? Did he deserve the disgraceful hate campaign waged by newspaper columnists and posters on this and other message boards? In fact the same posters who are crying about Huckerby''s treatment. Worthy was here for six years, he was even responsible for the signing of Huckerby. Did he deserve his "send off"?

 

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The difference is that the majority of fans wanted rid of Worthington and whilst they appreciated what he did for the club they knew that attacking the manager and the board was the only way to get him out. Its sad that it has to come to that but thats the way it is. If he had willingly stepped down I am certain he would have got a much nicer send off.

[nutty nigel 7,902]

[quote user="lucky green trainers"]so upon reflection - no - imo worthy was not good, or honest at the end,  and could''ve chosen a more honourable course of action - but instead he went for the lolly and so copped an earful!!!  his and the boards choice - no one''s elses.






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I believe Worthy is a good fair and honest man. It''s worth reflecting this week that it was his honesty and respect in the game that was one of the reasons we got Hux. Worthy didn''t "go for the lolly" he honoured his contract. Many people could see this at the time although were shouted down. Since we were relegated in 1995 no other manager has even attained Worthy''s worst ever finishing position either before him or after him. So if finishing positions are the ultimate judge then they tell you we were right to appoint Worthy and wrong to sack him. Let''s hope next season the finishing positions show we were right to appoint Roeder.

But we will have to agree to disagree about Worthy''s honesty Lucky.

 

 

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[quote user="nutty nigel"]

[quote user="lucky green trainers"]so upon reflection - no - imo worthy was not good, or honest at the end,  and could''ve chosen a more honourable course of action - but instead he went for the lolly and so copped an earful!!!  his and the boards choice - no one''s elses.

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I believe Worthy is a good fair and honest man. It''s worth reflecting this week that it was his honesty and respect in the game that was one of the reasons we got Hux. Worthy didn''t "go for the lolly" he honoured his contract. Many people could see this at the time although were shouted down. Since we were relegated in 1995 no other manager has even attained Worthy''s worst ever finishing position either before him or after him. So if finishing positions are the ultimate judge then they tell you we were right to appoint Worthy and wrong to sack him. Let''s hope next season the finishing positions show we were right to appoint Roeder.

But we will have to agree to disagree about Worthy''s honesty Lucky.

 

 

[/quote]i''m always happy to agree to disagree nutty - but without trying to change your point of view - just one last thing about the worthy departure.  sure, i''ll agree nigel was honouring his contract - and in the modern age who would blame him for maximising his revenue and waiting to be pushed rather than jumping.  many on this forum would do the same.  however, in NCFC context - in our history most managers have left by mutual consent, or walked - rather than hung on like worthy did.  i can only assume worthy was invited to go, and refused - leaving the board to issue their 2 match ultimatium - and moreover - leaving NCFC to wash their dirty linen in the gaze of national TV.  didn''t worthy do the same thing at  blackpool???  anyone know???sure peter grant didn''t better worthy''s finishing posi - but he left this proud club he loved with his honour intact - choosing to walk away when he knew the game was up, and at a financial disadvantage to himself.  the contrast between these 2 exits are glaring.  i''ve never met worthy, nor do i know of him personally, but looking at the man, i would gauge him to be a man of integrity in normal everyday situassshuns - but professionally, he doesn''t look as good or honest as you might think, given the behaviour of his last year at the club and at his leaving.  concerning the finishing positions - i''d happily agree that worthy is the most successful manger of ncfc since 1995.  but given that many fans, managers and board members have a public ambition to be in the prem, overall our finishing positions represent underachievement and failure when measured against that benchmark. 

    

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[quote user="nutty nigel"]

[quote user="lucky green trainers"]so upon reflection - no - imo worthy was not good, or honest at the end,  and could''ve chosen a more honourable course of action - but instead he went for the lolly and so copped an earful!!!  his and the boards choice - no one''s elses.

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I believe Worthy is a good fair and honest man. It''s worth reflecting this week that it was his honesty and respect in the game that was one of the reasons we got Hux. Worthy didn''t "go for the lolly" he honoured his contract. Many people could see this at the time although were shouted down. Since we were relegated in 1995 no other manager has even attained Worthy''s worst ever finishing position either before him or after him. So if finishing positions are the ultimate judge then they tell you we were right to appoint Worthy and wrong to sack him. Let''s hope next season the finishing positions show we were right to appoint Roeder.

But we will have to agree to disagree about Worthy''s honesty Lucky.

 

 

[/quote]You are almost always a fountain of good sense, NN. But your point about finishing positions is surely disingenuous. Do you really believe we were going to finish in the top ten the season Worthy was sacked? It was the right decision to let him go - he had had his time. It was the choice of replacement that was the problem.Totally agree with you about NW''s decency and the disgraceful personal nature of the abuse he got, though.

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Lucky - I have met Worthy and although that counts for nothing on here I am not going to change my mind because of a few assumptions you have made. I could drag up some of the disgraceful accusations made against him on this message board and by other commentators but I will leave it in the past where it belongs.

However, when Peter Grant left the club with his "head held high" we were in a different position than when Worthy left. Grant left us at the bottom of this league without having even scored a goal for 6 games and with a squad of players which he had assembled who couldn''t compete in the present day Championship. When Worthy was sacked his last 6 games were four defeats a draw and a win in which we had scored 10 and conceded 15. We had also won a cup tie 4-2 at Rotherham during that time.

Finishing positions? 6thchamp, 8thchamp, 1stchamp, 19thprem, 9thchamp. It''s all about expectations I guess.

Now we really are going to have to agree to disagree Lucky.

 

[nutty nigel 7,902]

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You are almost always a fountain of good sense, NN. But your point about finishing positions is surely disingenuous. Do you really believe we were going to finish in the top ten the season Worthy was sacked? It was the right decision to let him go - he had had his time. It was the choice of replacement that was the problem.

Totally agree with you about NW''s decency and the disgraceful personal nature of the abuse he got, though.
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We will never know how it would have turned out Robert. 4 games before he was sacked I witnessed one of the strangest matches when we drew 3-3 at Southend. We went 1-0 down early but then we were awesome for half an hour Earnshaw scored twice and the fans were chanting "it''s just like watching Brazil" as we went into half-time 2-1 up. Etuhu scored just after the break and the small stand was rocking. But Southend came back into it and got one back and the team and fans got edgy. Then 2 mins into stoppage time Earny got through and should have scored, the keeper saved but the ref gave a goal kick and they went up the field to score the equaliser. The predictable Worthy out chants followed born out of disappointment and frustration.That game summed up where we were under Worthy. In the 10 games that season before he was sacked we had scored 15 and conceded 18 and had been nowhere near the bottom 3.

 

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[quote user="ipswichrscum"]I believe Worthy did more for this club than Roeder will ever do...[/quote]

how can you possibly know .... nice crystal ball buddy [:#]

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I wasn''t saying that i KNEW .. but that I BELIEVED.

fair enough, if it make it easier for you ...

I think Worthy has done more for this club than roeder will ever do.

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Funnily enough there was a bit of a "do" at the club yesterday at the Top of the Terrace entitled

"How to cheat at dinner parties" with Delia Smith.