Sheff Weds - 6 loan players in match squad !!!

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

[quote user="we8wba"]

you cant dock them points for crying out loud

fine is expected i would say

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for having 6 loan players in a squad, thus improving there choices on the bench.  One of said loan players scoring the equalising goal after coming on as a substitute.  If you do not dock them points surely the rule then is £2000 for a sixth loan player in the squad.

[ricardo 7,385]

At the very least they will lose the point they gained against Stoke. If not, then there is no point in having any rules concerning loan player numbers.

Anyone who thinks it will just be a fine are living in dreamland.

[CiderkiddCanary 0]

[quote user="Saint Canary"][quote user="Branston Pickle"]

If it is indeed true that the Owls have broken the rules, then they should be punished - it is clear that it gained them an advantage, particularly as one of their loan players scored the equaliser.  Stoke can quite rightly feel cheated and if they do complain the sides around Sheff Weds should also do so pronto - we have been juggling our squad since January to keep within the rules, so why shouldn''t others have to do the same?

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 I just cannot stretch my belief far enough that not one person at Wednesday did not know the rules or can''t count to 6. 

[/quote]I can [:P][:D] That has to be one of the funniest things I have read today. Stupid Wednesday! All hell will go loose if they get relegated by an off-field matter (ie. Sheffield United and the Tevez saga)

[GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,749]

Sky sports have this evening reported that Sheff Weds are likely to escape with a fine in the region of £2000.

So there we have it then !! 

 The football league have now set their price list for having a better quality of option available to you in your team or on your subs bench, £2000 apparantly buys you an extra player- a small price to avoid relegation !

  What isn''t clear is if this means £2000 per extra player, if it is does, does this mean that if you are allowed the first 5 players ''free'' another £12000 per match allows you to play a full side of loan signings ?!!!

Your''e a spineless disgrace the football league.

If we finish a point below Sheff Weds and get relegated at the end of the season , who''s up for a march on parliament Sheff Utd style, any suggestions for who our ''Sean Bean'' might be?

[Noseybonk 0]

There is a precedent more relevent than the Leeds example.

In 2003, Swansea were caught with 6 loan players in their 16 and drew the game, just like Sheff Wed.

The FA let them off with a reprimand.

Not saying it''s right but there is no way points will be docked on this occasion.

[Saint Canary 0]

I really can''t beleive that they will just get off with a fine!  If they do clubs are just going to start looking at the £2,000 "fine" as just a "fee" you pay for having an extra loan in the squad.  Peanuts if it helps you avoid relegation or gain promotion to the Premiership, £2k for £50m.  Hmmm.

[Graham Humphrey 13]

I really, really hope Sheffield Wednesday get relegated now. Especially if they do get away with a laughably small fine.

[we8wba 0]

yes they broke the rules

im not denying that but leeds had similar case last season when they played 5 players (breaking two rules)

sheff weds broke one rule (6 in squad but only 4 played)

leeds got a fine £2000 for the crime

sheff weds is lesser offence so they WONT get docked points

 

Read http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2269524,00.html

which saint canary posted and you will understand

[we8wba 0]

simply sheff weds gained nothing from breaking the rules

if they played all 6players and got 1pt im sure they prob get docked the points

[ricardo 7,385]

[quote user="we8wba"]

simply sheff weds gained nothing from breaking the rules

if they played all 6players and got 1pt im sure they prob get docked the points

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It''s totally irrelevant whether they played all six players. The rule clearly states they can only name 5 players in the 16. They broke this rule.

It also clearly states they will forfeit any points gained. They gained 1 point and should forfeit this.

Fines and further points deductions are discretionary.

If the league fails to act on this then they are in breach of their own rules and any team will be tempted to cheat because the penalty for getting caught is derisory.

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

[quote user="we8wba"]

simply sheff weds gained nothing from breaking the rules

if they played all 6players and got 1pt im sure they prob get docked the points

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yeah but they did, they had 3 loan players on the bench one of which came on and scored.  had they only had 5 loan players in the squad said player might not have been in the team.  They had a superior bench to what they should have had.  Having seen some of our benches recently it would definately be to our advantage to pay £2000 and have say a loan defender and a loan striker on the bench as well as four in the team.

[GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,749]

[quote user="we8wba"]

simply sheff weds gained nothing from breaking the rules

if they played all 6players and got 1pt im sure they prob get docked the points

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How can you be sure that they gained nothing from breaking the rules?

If they started with 3 loans and had a further 3 on the bench, those 3 on the bench were there to cover different circumstances during the game - lets say for arguments sake a midfielder, a winger and a striker.

The substitute that was used was obviously to combat one of these circumstances that arose, but had they have only been allowed 2 loan players on the bench the player that did come on might not have been there in the first place - replaced instead by an inferior player.

[Saint Canary 0]

[quote user="we8wba"]

simply sheff weds gained nothing from breaking the rules

if they played all 6players and got 1pt im sure they prob get docked the points

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The point is they did get an advantage.  Ok all 6 players didn''t get on the pitch but the sub who scored was a loan player.  Maybe he would not of been on the bench if they had only chosen 5?

Even if we can''t agree that Sheff gained nothing by breaking the rules, they still broke them and a £2k fine is not enough.

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[quote user="we8wba"]

im not denying that but leeds had similar case last season when they played 5 players (breaking two rules)

[/quote]There is no rule saying you cannot actually play 5 on loan players. Our lineup against Preston...Norwich: Marshall, Otsemobor (Bates 55),

Shackell, Doherty, Camara, Croft (Henry 81), Fotheringham, Russell,

Bertrand, Dublin, Evans (Cureton 73).Subs Not Used: Gilks, Pattison.That''s 5. The rule is you can''t have 6 in your squad.

[One Flew Over... 33]

Shouldn''t it be the fourth officials job to check the squad lists, and if everyone is eligible to play?

It wouldn''t take much to have a simple program to do this..

It sounds harsh docking them points if it was a genuine mistake, but as no-one outside of Sheff Weds can tell if it is a mistake or deliberate they have to be punished to the maximum.

[7rew 0]

Only 4 on the pitch at any one time (Evans was withdrawn before Henry came on)

[GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,749]

DAY 4

Yes, its now the fourth day since this incident, if there is a rule written down then surely there is a punishment written down - WHERE''S THE DELAY ???

[SWP = Poor Mans Ruel Fox!! 0]

[quote user="GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary"]

DAY 4

Yes, its now the fourth day since this incident, if there is a rule written down then surely there is a punishment written down - WHERE''S THE DELAY ???

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You know what the football authorities are like Beasty, they''ll probably wait another couple of weeks and hope Sheff Wed can pull themselves far enough away from the relegation zone so they can deduct the 1 point without it meaning anything down there!

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

[quote user="SWP Poor Mans Ruel Fox"]

You know what the football authorities are like Beasty, they''ll probably wait another couple of weeks and hope Sheff Wed can pull themselves far enough away from the relegation zone so they can deduct the 1 point without it meaning anything down there!

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Absolutely - you have the FA down to a tee here.  A disgraceful bunch of buffoons.  When some of the reasons for not reducing West Ham''s points last season were ''to not affect the fans/relegate a team/ etc you knew you were dealing with an embarrassing bunch of cheating clowns. 

[Saint Canary 0]

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You know what the football authorities are like Beasty, they''ll probably wait another couple of weeks and hope Sheff Wed can pull themselves far enough away from the relegation zone so they can deduct the 1 point without it meaning anything down there!

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Agree with that.  Had it have been Colchester they probably would have taken a point off them already.

[we8wba 0]

it will be fine end of matter

[we8wba 0]

[quote user="we8wba"]

it will be fine end of matter

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im not saying its the right thing but this is what will happen

[GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,749]

With the F.A''s non action over this so far,I obviously dreamed it all and none of it actually happened, I apologise for starting this thread and wasting everyone''s time and also apologise to the F.A for any harsh words I''ve fired in their direction !!!.

[Graham Humphrey 13]

[quote user="GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary"]With the F.A''s non action[/quote]

Surely some mistake?

[GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,749]

Well here we are 6 DAYS SINCE THIS MATCH and I must congratulate the F.A on their failure to make any sort of statement on this matter before the next round of matches in this division, therefore failing to clear up exactly how many loan players are allowed in a match squad or putting in place any kind of deterrent ahead of this weekends fixtures, not to mention the small matter of docking points !!.

Incompetent and unforgivable.

[we8wba 0]

they wont get docked points why cant you lot seem to see this

teams like whu commited worse crimes and avoided docked points

im not saying its right for fa not to dock points, but realistically this wont happen

 

at least if norwich win today you dont need them to be docked points

[GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,749]

[quote user="POMPEY FAN FOR A WEEK"]

they wont get docked points why cant you lot seem to see this

teams like whu commited worse crimes and avoided docked points

im not saying its right for fa not to dock points, but realistically this wont happen

 

at least if norwich win today you dont need them to be docked points

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If it is only going to be a fine then COME OUT AND SAY SO

If it is points to be docked then COME OUT AND SAY SO

If Sheff Weds haven''t got a case to answer and have a legitimate reason for doing what they did then again COME OUT AND SAY SO.

but to keep quiet on all fronts after they have now played 2 more matches since last weekend is pretty extrordinary.