Well, I Hope They're Proud Of Themselves!

[First Wizard 0]

Who?

The damn board thats who!. The trouble is there''s a few of us on here who can remember the following:

1. Competing with the best teams in the Premiership weekly, beating Arsenal, Chelsea and United and all the other ''big'' clubs.

2. Finishing 3rd in the Premier.

3. European Games and beating Bayen Munich in their own back yard.

4. FA Cup runs and League Cup victories.

Then this shower of a board takes over!

1.Tried to do the Premier on the cheap and got us relegated in our first season back there.

2. Now starring relegation in the face to the third tier of English football!.

3. No cup runs.

4. Large debts, despite their bloody ''Prudence with Ambition'' rubbish.

5. Appalling long support for failng managers.

6. Loan signings and not our own players are the norm now, and still failing to back a manager again in January.

And you wonder why I get angry, frustrated and fed up with a bunch of directors who are, in my opinion, destroying our club from within with their incompetence and inability to attract proper sound financial backing.

Or a majority shareholder who insists that any backer must be local, and liked by her, so it appears that foreigners can go to hell in basic terms!.

If you''re content and happy with that, then in my eyes, you''re just as guilty they are!.

Taken from my post on Carrowroad.net.

[Mister Chops 7]

[quote user="1st Wizard"]

On here that is!.

If, and I say again, if, City lose today, then no doubt this message board will once again resemble a bloody war zone, it always does.

So lets all pray for a City win, and I don''t mean Bristol!.

Otherwise,  its going to be a long weekend.[:''(]

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Yawn.

[Trent Canary 0]

Wiz - Although I was too young to remember the Chase era in detail (So forgive me for anything that isnt accurate), but didnt we drive him out? So even though we had the top four points you listed (Promotion, europe etc), we still ended up turning on him and got rid of him. Therefore if we hadnt have driven him out we wouldnt have had "This shower of a board" take over in the first place?

Again Im not very well educated on the Chase/Smith takeover, removal etc. So allow me some leeway.

[O.T.B.C 1]

Why not add this to the other 20 posts you have made about the board. We all know you hate them, One thing, when we got promoted, did you congratulate the board? Or was this all the players who done it?

[Old Boy 0]

There''s rather more of us who can remember the following:1. A club in seemingly terminal decline, having sold the family silver (the players who got us into the Premier League) trying to stay afloat.2. Appallingly aimless and ambitionless football.3. Gates of 12,000 on a good day.4. Supporters feeling cheated out of their entrance money every time they left the ground.Then this shower of a board takes over!1. Ignoring financial common sense and putting their own money where their heart is, with no guarantee of ever seeing it again.2. Picking a young and motivated manager (after a few false starts, admittedly) who gets us to the play-off final in his forst full season.3. Stabilising the Club''s finances, while investing hugely in the infrastructure of the Club - the ground, the training ground, etc.4. Getting us promoted with a squad that would never have done it if the Board hadn''t invested a lot of money in Darren Huckerby.5. Making us into one of the best supported Clubs in the CCC, home and away.This is as one-sided a view as the original post, but is just as valid. In other words, try to see the whole picture.

[kdncfc 0]

Can''t really argue with any of that wiz, how anyone can defend this board after what they''ve done to this club in the last few years is beyond me, surely the sh*t will finally hit the fan if we do go down.

[Dicky 0]

[quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="1st Wizard"]

On here that is!.

If, and I say again, if, City lose today, then no doubt this message board will once again resemble a bloody war zone, it always does.

So lets all pray for a City win, and I don''t mean Bristol!.

Otherwise,  its going to be a long weekend.[:''(]

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Yawn.

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I''ll second that yawn. Perhaps we can rename the board "ramblings of a miserable old sod"

[The Butler 0]

For those of us that were"involved" at that time (some of the greatest in our history) some things have never really been told. Chases problem was that most if not all the club finances were on overdraft(even MO''s car) and therefore he was subject (as any overdraft is) to the bank saying "we want our money back" and having to find it regardless. So although Chase had made some excellent outside investments(the club have used the income ever since) he was relying on a slice of luck to keep us a float. His luck began to run out so when an approach was made to the bank it was easy for them to engineer his removal and cost us players that we needed to keep. JW, I am told ,then brokered the deal that established the present board.Most were then happy,some not so much as Chase and Jimmy Jones were local business people who had grown with the history of the club, they made some mistakes, but so have the subsequent encumbants. The seeds of failure were set at the San Siro stadium, if those supporters who stood after the game and cheered our hearts out,looked closely at Mike Walker,they would have seen him virtually waving us goodbye the money needed to "push on" could not be found, and He left shortly after for Everton and but for a very brief period with NW the club have stumbled ever since. Wiz you are right in some of what you say BUT lets have replacements ready before we heave the baby out with the bath water.

[Iwan is God 0]

[quote user="1st Wizard"]

Who?

The damn board thats who!. The trouble is there''s a few of us on here who can remember the following:

1. Competing with the best teams in the Premiership weekly, beating Arsenal, Chelsea and United and all the other ''big'' clubs.

2. Finishing 3rd in the Premier.

3. European Games and beating Bayen Munich in their own back yard.

4. FA Cup runs and League Cup victories.

Then this shower of a board takes over!

1.Tried to do the Premier on the cheap and got us relegated in our first season back there.

2. Now starring relegation in the face to the third tier of English football!.

3. No cup runs.

4. Large debts, despite their bloody ''Prudence with Ambition'' rubbish.

5. Appalling long support for failng managers.

6. Loan signings and not our own players are the norm now, and still failing to back a manager again in January.

And you wonder why I get angry, frustrated and fed up with a bunch of directors who are, in my opinion, destroying our club from within with their incompetence and inability to attract proper sound financial backing.

Or a majority shareholder who insists that any backer must be local, and liked by her, so it appears that foreigners can go to hell in basic terms!.

If you''re content and happy with that, then in my eyes, you''re just as guilty they are!.

Taken from my post on Carrowroad.net.

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I remember those days & was a season ticket holder back then too... The problem is, football has changed since then & is now just a about money. We haven''t got it, so can''t compete, simple as! When someone with cash to burn comes along offering us the world & we still turn them away, then is the time to moan like an old grouch!

As a club we''ve never had the cash but there was a time when you didn''t have to go for bust just to compete.

[Joanna Grey 0]

Wiz in "Attack Board" shock post........

I''m really letting myself down by replying to your attention-seeking posts. You ever have anything original to say?

[arrdee 2]

[quote user="Trent Canary"]

Wiz - Although I was too young to remember the Chase era in detail (So forgive me for anything that isnt accurate), but didnt we drive him out? So even though we had the top four points you listed (Promotion, europe etc), we still ended up turning on him and got rid of him. Therefore if we hadnt have driven him out we wouldnt have had "This shower of a board" take over in the first place?

Again Im not very well educated on the Chase/Smith takeover, removal etc. So allow me some leeway.

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Yes Trent you are quite correct ,Wizard in his wheelchair was in the vanguard of the protesters , as Rude old questioned him at the time "were you prepared to go toe to wheel with the police" . Apparently someone pulled Wizard and his wheelchair out of the way of a charging police horse therefore saving Wizards life , we have so much to be thankful for to that quick witted individual , now was that individual me ? arrdee.

[YankeeCanary 0]

[quote user="arrdee"][quote user="Trent Canary"]

Wiz - Although I was too young to remember the Chase era in detail (So forgive me for anything that isnt accurate), but didnt we drive him out? So even though we had the top four points you listed (Promotion, europe etc), we still ended up turning on him and got rid of him. Therefore if we hadnt have driven him out we wouldnt have had "This shower of a board" take over in the first place?

Again Im not very well educated on the Chase/Smith takeover, removal etc. So allow me some leeway.

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Yes Trent you are quite correct ,Wizard in his wheelchair was in the vanguard of the protesters , as Rude old questioned him at the time "were you prepared to go toe to wheel with the police" . Apparently someone pulled Wizard and his wheelchair out of the way of a charging police horse therefore saving Wizards life , we have so much to be thankful for to that quick witted individual , now was that individual me ? arrdee.

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Arrdee, I wonder if Wizard can see the irony in that his suvival on that day may well have been in the hands of others.

[kdncfc 0]

[quote user="Old Boy"]There''s rather more of us who can remember the following:

1. A club in seemingly terminal decline, having sold the family silver (the players who got us into the Premier League) trying to stay afloat.

2. Appallingly aimless and ambitionless football.

3. Gates of 12,000 on a good day.

4. Supporters feeling cheated out of their entrance money every time they left the ground.

Then this shower of a board takes over!

1. Ignoring financial common sense and putting their own money where their heart is, with no guarantee of ever seeing it again.

2. Picking a young and motivated manager (after a few false starts, admittedly) who gets us to the play-off final in his forst full season.

3. Stabilising the Club''s finances, while investing hugely in the infrastructure of the Club - the ground, the training ground, etc.

4. Getting us promoted with a squad that would never have done it if the Board hadn''t invested a lot of money in Darren Huckerby.

5. Making us into one of the best supported Clubs in the CCC, home and away.

This is as one-sided a view as the original post, but is just as valid. In other words, try to see the whole picture.

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 Chase was responsible for building the training ground and the money from a share issue payed for Huckerby,  rumour also has it that a local businessman has paid half of Huckerbys wages since he''s been here. As for stabilising the clubs finances, we have gone from 6 million in debt when Chase left to the current19 million, we now have a squad as weak as anything I''ve seen in my 38 years of following the club and are in danger of falling to our lowest league standing for over 40 years. Apart from the stadium being miles better than it was 12 years ago I cannot really see how the club has progressed at all in the 12 years of the current boards leadership. We do have far bigger attendances than we use to get which is partly down to the boards clever marketing but the fact that we manage to fill the ground year after year is more down to fans loyalty than anything else. If we didn''t have so many season ticket holders I''m sure that crowds would have fallen below 20k quite regularly over the last couple of years.

[ronbol ronbol 0]

[quote user="Old Boy"]There''s rather more of us who can remember the following:1. A club in seemingly terminal decline, having sold the family silver (the players who got us into the Premier League) trying to stay afloat.2. Appallingly aimless and ambitionless football.3. Gates of 12,000 on a good day.4. Supporters feeling cheated out of their entrance money every time they left the ground.Then this shower of a board takes over!1. Ignoring financial common sense and putting their own money where their heart is, with no guarantee of ever seeing it again.2. Picking a young and motivated manager (after a few false starts, admittedly) who gets us to the play-off final in his forst full season.3. Stabilising the Club''s finances, while investing hugely in the infrastructure of the Club - the ground, the training ground, etc.4. Getting us promoted with a squad that would never have done it if the Board hadn''t invested a lot of money in Darren Huckerby.5. Making us into one of the best supported Clubs in the CCC, home and away.This is as one-sided a view as the original post, but is just as valid. In other words, try to see the whole picture.[/quote]shall we not forget that our debt is out of control, no matter what doomcaster says. It will be nice having that infustructure in the fizzy league one next season.People who rattle on about Stabilising and infustructure are forgetting one thing. WE ARE A FOOTBALL CLUB AND FOOTBALL MATTERS (somthing this shower of board could well do with remembering)infact I think you could well be doomcaster as your points are almost identical to a conversation i had with him recently....yes this board needs a good kick up the backside but with 20,000 season season tickets sold on a regular basis are they under any pressure ........ I guess not............but if we get relegated then they will see pressure.

[chicken 0]

[quote user="1st Wizard"]

Who?The damn board thats who!. The trouble is there''s a few of us on here who can remember the following:1. Competing with the best teams in the Premiership weekly, beating Arsenal, Chelsea and United and all the other ''big'' clubs.2. Finishing 3rd in the Premier.3. European Games and beating Bayen Munich in their own back yard.[/quote]

They all happened in one season - hardly backing a claim for times more consistent.

[quote user="1st Wizard"]4. FA Cup runs and League Cup victories.[/quote]

Back when football was less about money?!! The Milk Cup was either just after or around the same time I was born. That is long enough ago to think that times have changed a bit. The game has evolved - the players become athletes in their own right now. Back in those days although they were fit many of them drank, smoked etc. For example - Georgy Best was indeed a fantastic player but how long a career would he have had now? Not much I should imagine.

[quote user="1st Wizard"]Then this shower of a board takes over!1.Tried to do the Premier on the cheap and got us relegated in our first season back there.2. Now starring relegation in the face to the third tier of English football!.3. No cup runs.4. Large debts, despite their bloody ''Prudence with Ambition'' rubbish.5. Appalling long support for failng managers.6. Loan signings and not our own players are the norm now, and still failing to back a manager again in January.And you wonder why I get angry, frustrated and fed up with a bunch of directors who are, in my opinion, destroying our club from within with their incompetence and inability to attract proper sound financial backing.Or a majority shareholder who insists that any backer must be local, and liked by her, so it appears that foreigners can go to hell in basic terms!.If you''re content and happy with that, then in my eyes, you''re just as guilty they are!.

Taken from my post on Carrowroad.net.

[/quote]Ok:1) Agreed but will we ever truly know how much money we had to gamble with? And as I have said before how much more would we have spent to keep us up. If Ashton was good for his money then you could at least triple that to get in the "quality" needed to make things a bit more competative at that level. £10million in the premiership doesn''t get you very far these days.2) Hmm, I wouldn''t say staring it in the face - that was more earlier on in the season but I would agree to the extent that I am not happy on our current predicament but I think it is far from solely the boards fault. Glenn got 13 good results on the trot with pretty much the same squad as we have now so whilst he is applauded for that success some of the failure since has to be laid at his and the teams feet. Russells disiplinary record is one thing to take into account.3) So what - I am sorry. At the beggining of the season their was no "buzz" about the cup - and there rarely is untill a giant killing, now this season the FA Cup has opened up and everybody is saying there is "buzz" about it again - thats because its all lower league teams who don''t sit their munching on prawns etc and get up and shout about it. Sure, I am gutted we didn''t go through because of the path we could have been down but hindsight is brilliant. I would have traded an FA cup loose for safety and even a shot at promotion, which even only for a glimpse we got.4) Well the debt is hardly their fault it was inherited - and some people, such as I, are still baffled as to where all of that money went in the first place when we were selling players left right and centre when, like you say, we were one of the better teams in the premiership. You can hardly blame any of that on the board. You could perhaps ask why we don''t seem to be making progress on it (although every year football becomes more expencive) but not blame it on the current board. As for prudence with ambition - its better than the no ambition that we had before.5) I take it your talking about Worthington who was only our most successful manager since Mike Walker in his first stint. He didn''t earn at least some time to turn it around? Its strange because you criticise this and the Premiership season even though the one thing that came out of it was that if he was given enough money Worthington could have kept us there. The line between success and failure is so fine. To add to that Hamilton, Grant, Duffy, amoungst others were reletively quickly dealt with - some argue that Hamilton walked but I think he was given the choice to if you take into account his friendship with Delia.6) The loan signings are again the managers choice and if you followed the January window closely you will know that we made several bids on players - none apart from Pattys were successful. Ameobi wasn''t allowed to leave, Patterson was the same and ofcourse Taylor who we had two bids knocked back for, one of £750k and another of £1million. On top of that Roeder did the right thing and brought in loan players that on the whole have done well. Camara, Evans and Pearce have all been reliable, Bates was getting there and then had the injury and the others have at least provided some depth. I think if we were struggling to get in transfers these loans were a valuable decision.As for the last bit about "Delia" not allowing just anyone to buy us - is actually quite right. Do you want any "Tom, Dick or Harry" to buy our club? Look at Ipswich - they were promised millions of pounds for January but the only thing that has come out so far is how badly they will get whacked if they get promoted.Delia is right, we have to try and insure that any person that comes in to buy the club are committed and not just some mogul seeing this as a tax dodging investment etc.

[Time to go Delia 0]

In the Chase days you could be proud of the team and what they achieved ,we had star players to sell ,sad truth is nowadays we dont have one player of any class whatsoever (only an ageing Huckerby ).If we dont go down this season with this Board and the way they run the club its only a matter of time .

[Sing Up The South Stand 0]

[quote user="1st Wizard"]

2. Now starring relegation in the face to the third tier of English football!.

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Wiz, explain to me how exactly we''re ''staring'' relegation in the face, when we are not in the drop zone and if we do our jobs we''re safe...  If we were in the bottom 3 - or arguably where Southampton are you''d have a point.  All the teams below us have to do better than us for us to go down - can you really imagine southampton getting four points more than us?  And even then their goal difference would relegate them over us anyway.

[quote user="1st Wizard"]

6. Loan signings and not our own players are the norm now, and still failing to back a manager again in January.

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Also, Wiz, how is it the norm when it was only the january transfer window?  If we''d loaned a lot of players in the last few transfer windows you''d have a point, but as it is, those two points are utter rubbish (apart from backing the manager which is true - and for the record I agree with all your other points).

Wiz, please answer, don''t ignore it as it goes against what you''re saying.

[A Load of Squit 6,260]

Dave, see you''ve got the moanomiter turned up to eleven.

 

[Mello Yello 2,572]

[quote user="A Load of Squit"]

Dave, see you''ve got the moanomiter turned up to eleven.

 

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Have you actually ever got to the ''Firkin Point'' - on your avatar, Squitter?

[Carlos Valderrama 0]

[quote user="Loan City Fc "]In the Chase days you could be proud of the team and what they achieved ,we had star players to sell ,sad truth is nowadays we dont have one player of any class whatsoever (only an ageing Huckerby ).If we dont go down this season with this Board and the way they run the club its only a matter of time .[/quote]

In the Chase days we didn''t have a 90 minute rule and could attract talented youngsters from all over the country.  Players like Chris Sutton & Ruel Fox don''t come along often, players like Bellamy, Green and Eadie would never have been at the club under the new rules.

The glory days I hear everyone talking about were in the early 90''s, 15 years ago.  Thats a lifetime ago, football has evolved, dramatically.

The debt, forget the was 6m now 18m bit, most of that is down to inflation.  The truth is this club is reasonably well run, throwing millions at football does not guarantee success.  We have been very successful under this board, playoff final, league champions and almost staying in the premier league.  At this present moment in time we are paying the price for a manager who wasn''t up to it, bought badly and killed squad morale (PG). 

The time to judge this board will be this summer.

And the first person to mention Stoke can bugger off.  They are only doing what we did during our championship season.  They are raising with a strong hand, and who can blame them.  But it can all go pear shaped, will they be in a position to repeat next season if they fail.  The beauty of football.

[ellis206 0]

 I really don''t know why anybody replys to this muppet to be honest with you, he comes out slating the board, and then vanishes! anyone with half a brain cell can see he''s just trying to wind you all up, none of his points are valid anyway, "this board tried to do the premiership on the cheap"....... how about congratulations to the board and the staff for getting us in the premiership in the first place when it would have been more likely for Norwich to end up in the then divison 2. He''s probably an Ipswich fan anyway, or he''s Smudger in disguise!

[BlyBlyBabes 0]

[quote user="1st Wizard"]

Who?

The damn board thats who!. The trouble is there''s a few of us on here who can remember the following:

1. Competing with the best teams in the Premiership weekly, beating Arsenal, Chelsea and United and all the other ''big'' clubs.

2. Finishing 3rd in the Premier.

3. European Games and beating Bayen Munich in their own back yard.

4. FA Cup runs and League Cup victories.

Then this shower of a board takes over!

1.Tried to do the Premier on the cheap and got us relegated in our first season back there.

2. Now starring relegation in the face to the third tier of English football!.

3. No cup runs.

4. Large debts, despite their bloody ''Prudence with Ambition'' rubbish.

5. Appalling long support for failng managers.

6. Loan signings and not our own players are the norm now, and still failing to back a manager again in January.

And you wonder why I get angry, frustrated and fed up with a bunch of directors who are, in my opinion, destroying our club from within with their incompetence and inability to attract proper sound financial backing.

Or a majority shareholder who insists that any backer must be local, and liked by her, so it appears that foreigners can go to hell in basic terms!.

If you''re content and happy with that, then in my eyes, you''re just as guilty they are!.

Taken from my post on Carrowroad.net.

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It''s no longer our club Wiz.

It''s theirs.

And therein lies the kernel of the problem.

OTBC

 

 

 

 

 

 

[First Wazzock 1,011]

1st Wizard wrote

Who?

The damn board thats who!

Same sh*t, different day. YAWN

[First Wizard 0]

I''ve just wasted my time replying to this due to this sites problems.

My whole post has just vanished.[:@]

[nutty nigel 7,902]

[quote user="1st Wizard"]

I''ve just wasted my time replying to this due to this sites problems.

My whole post has just vanished.[:@]

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See Wiz...

Every cloud really does have a silver lining [;)]

 

[Old Boy 0]

[quote user="kdncfc"]

If we didn''t have so many season ticket holders I''m sure that crowds would have fallen below 20k quite regularly over the last couple of years.

[/quote]Priceless....Your point is that "if we didn''t have so many supporters, we wouldn''t have so much support" is it?

[YankeeCanary 0]

[quote user="1st Wizard"]

I''ve just wasted my time replying to this due to this sites problems.

My whole post has just vanished.[:@]

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[Old Boy 0]

[quote user="ronbol ronbol"]...infact I think you could well be doomcaster as your points are almost identical to a conversation i had with him recently....[/quote]Could be, but ain''t - never even met the chap. I''m sure when you met him you put all your misgivings to him as forcefully as you post on here. Not.And I said about my post that "This is as one-sided a view as the original post, but is just as valid. In other words, try to see the whole picture."

[kdncfc 0]

[quote user="ellis206"] I really don''t know why anybody replys to this muppet to be honest with you, he comes out slating the board, and then vanishes! anyone with half a brain cell can see he''s just trying to wind you all up, none of his points are valid anyway, "this board tried to do the premiership on the cheap"....... how about congratulations to the board and the staff for getting us in the premiership in the first place when it would have been more likely for Norwich to end up in the then divison 2. He''s probably an Ipswich fan anyway, or he''s Smudger in disguise!
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It is a fact that the board tried to do the prem on the cheap, to allow a manager a 3 million pound budget to include both transfer fees and wages when you recieve 30 million in tv money for being in the prem was suicidal in the extreme, little wonder we were relegated. They were congratulated well enough when we got promoted, if you recieve praise when you achieve something good then it stands to reason that you have to accept critisicm if you fail and this board have certainly done that for the last few years. Just because we got promoted 4 years ago it doesn''t mean that we have to be eternally grateful, that success should have been built on and it wasn''t, and the blame lies fairly and squarely with the board.

[Carlos Valderrama 0]

[quote user="kdncfc"]

[quote user="ellis206"] I really don''t know why anybody replys to this muppet to be honest with you, he comes out slating the board, and then vanishes! anyone with half a brain cell can see he''s just trying to wind you all up, none of his points are valid anyway, "this board tried to do the premiership on the cheap"....... how about congratulations to the board and the staff for getting us in the premiership in the first place when it would have been more likely for Norwich to end up in the then divison 2. He''s probably an Ipswich fan anyway, or he''s Smudger in disguise!
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It is a fact that the board tried to do the prem on the cheap, to allow a manager a 3 million pound budget to include both transfer fees and wages when you recieve 30 million in tv money for being in the prem was suicidal in the extreme, little wonder we were relegated. They were congratulated well enough when we got promoted, if you recieve praise when you achieve something good then it stands to reason that you have to accept critisicm if you fail and this board have certainly done that for the last few years. Just because we got promoted 4 years ago it doesn''t mean that we have to be eternally grateful, that success should have been built on and it wasn''t, and the blame lies fairly and squarely with the board.

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Derby will come down with the lowest points haul ever, despite spending decent money.  How much is on the cheap, and how much is having a fair crack and to be honest whats the difference if the end result is the same...RELEGATION.  How many of the Derby stars will want out come the end of the season.  Its what you do post relegation that matters, thats where we made our mistakes.