Syteanric 1 Posted March 11, 2008 Defend him after this rubbish!He cost us the game.. poor positioning, Poor distribution, almost cost us a second goal with a shot he should of smothered and to top it all off in injury time he blasted it off for a throw in when trying to to set up a late attack....I know i go on about him but the blokes a liablilty now.... time and time and time again his errors of judgement have cost us....now it looks like we are in the relegation fight again can we afford a goalkeeper who makes so many mistakes?Yes... he can pull of decent saves, and he does so regularly.. but making it look good for the cameras/scouts isnt enough... he has been found out time after time. You can argue the defence should of gobbled up that throw tonight but Marshall thought about coming, started too then went back, and left sidibe with a virtual open goal....Marshalls young, and mistakes will happen.. but he shouldnt be making AS MANY as he does... the worrying thing is they seem to be the same mistakes constantly.. he doesnt learn from them... We are in a dog fight now and im afraid we need solidarity and reliability at the back... If not Marshall or Gilks than someone else.... Id like to see Gilks given a game.. roeder probably has other idears....Time will eventually run out for Marshall... not soon enough if you ask me.jas :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCFC_Shaun 0 Posted March 11, 2008 if it wasn''t for marshall we wouldn''t have as many points as we do now. perfect example? cardiff away. 1-1, point blank header, incredible save from marshall. had that gone in we would have never got back into the game and definately lost it. instead we went away with 3 points ...i think your being a tad harsh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rudolph Hucker 0 Posted March 11, 2008 We are not where we are because of Marshall and the defenders, we are where we are because we cannot score goals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
can u sit down please 0 Posted March 11, 2008 "He cost us the game.. poor positioning, Poor distribution, almost cost us a second goal with a shot he should of smothered and to top it all off in injury time he blasted it off for a throw in when trying to to set up a late attack..."Just the highlighhts of the game (yes, i did go) and :"Cost us the game"- well not really. Pearce and Shackell were either side of Sidibe, i would question them for the goal. If he had come for it, he would have had to have gone thru 2 def''s and no doubt he would have been shot at on here for comin out!"Poor distribution"- Only the kick at the end of the game. 1st half his vision and accuracy got Curo a shot at goal. His distribution was mainly to Semmy at RB so i would challenge your statement."Almost cost us a 2nd goal" - On the tv it now looks like he got down quite well (wind moved it). From the Barclay it looked like it creped under him but it didnt.Jase...I went to the game tonight and purposefully watched him tonight. The reason was mainly because of the stick you have given him recently. I think your judgement of him tonight is a wee bit knee jerk.I still think he is our number one, and as much as you dont like me saying it....How many pts has he earned us this yr? FACT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Graham Humphrey 13 Posted March 11, 2008 If we''re having Marshall out, can we have Cureton out too...?Actually come to think of it, let''s have the lot of them out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ian 1,211 Posted March 12, 2008 Jas, seeing as you clearly only post when circumstances suit your views, here''s a little excerpt of the current league table for you. If you can, please pay attention to the F and A column.Frankly, if this doesn''t stop you blaming Marshall for our woes, I don''t know what will! (I apologise for the formatting in advance - can''t work out pre tags in this editor)Team P W D L F A Pts GD2 Stoke City 38 18 12 8 61 49 66 12 17 NORWICH CITY 38 12 10 16 35 46 46 -11YOU SHOW THEM JAMIE! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brentwood Yellow 0 Posted March 12, 2008 I''m sorry, but enough is enough. I''ve been lurking for ages but cannot contain myself anymore as this latest effort has actually made me angry. Jas, you talk utter drivel, time and time again. I was particularly amused to see you have a go at Marshall for the Watford game - WHICH YOU DIDN''T EVEN GO TO and found it amusing that I Shirmer seemed to put you in place. I thought you may have learnt then, but no, you don''t give up.Marshall is a superb young keeper, continually saving us time and time again. If you had gone to Coventry you would have seen some of his amazing saves. He is a serious contender for Player of the Season and someone who can be our number one for ages, getting better as he gets older, as nearly all ''keepers do.What did you think of Cureton''s miss in injury time? If you have to blame someone which it seems you must do, then surely he is the one tonight for that utterly awful miss with the goal at his mercy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
colneycanary 0 Posted March 12, 2008 Its time to give Gilks a go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syteanric 1 Posted March 12, 2008 [quote user="can u sit down please"]"He cost us the game.. poor positioning, Poor distribution, almost cost us a second goal with a shot he should of smothered and to top it all off in injury time he blasted it off for a throw in when trying to to set up a late attack..."Just the highlighhts of the game (yes, i did go) and :"Cost us the game"- well not really. Pearce and Shackell were either side of Sidibe, i would question them for the goal. If he had come for it, he would have had to have gone thru 2 def''s and no doubt he would have been shot at on here for comin out!"Poor distribution"- Only the kick at the end of the game. 1st half his vision and accuracy got Curo a shot at goal. His distribution was mainly to Semmy at RB so i would challenge your statement."Almost cost us a 2nd goal" - On the tv it now looks like he got down quite well (wind moved it). From the Barclay it looked like it creped under him but it didnt.Jase...I went to the game tonight and purposefully watched him tonight. The reason was mainly because of the stick you have given him recently. I think your judgement of him tonight is a wee bit knee jerk.I still think he is our number one, and as much as you dont like me saying it....How many pts has he earned us this yr? FACT.[/quote] so you dont think he should of come through the defenders and claimed that ball then?Im willing to bet he has cost us just as many points as he has won us.... I havent got time to research it all now as i have to leave for work in a little bit... perhaps tonight i''ll go through results...the thing that got me about the goal is that he started to come, went back, then started to come again... a Goalkeeper coach will tell u that once u make the decision to come out you keep going... Also, any ball in the 6 yard box is the keepers... theres no excuse for not getting to a ball on the edge of the 6yd area.. no excuse at all! you cant always expect your defenders to sit that deep you have to be commanding.That shot at the end didnt creep under him.. he didnt get his body behind it! it went through his hands and almost crept in... if it had of done it would of been considered on here by some (you too im willing to bet) as a huge calamity... Lady Luck was smiling on David yesterday....I dispute his distribution... how many aimless punts does he hit for Cureton to chase only for them to be gobbled up by big defenders and come straight back at him....a good goalkeeper insipires confidence in his defence and the rest of the team.... you build from the back and we arent doing that with Marshall im afraid.... If the defenders arent there he needs to be.. and Vice Versa... theres little evidence of that im afraid....He''s no Simon Tracey obviously.. and as i have said before he does make some fantastic saves... but i think some people judge a goalkeeper purely on the saves they make... theres more to goalkeeping thann that....jas :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hucks Right Leg, Eadies Left & Iwans Head 0 Posted March 12, 2008 I don''t agree with the Marshall comment either, he has made some errors, but that’s part of being a keeper. He''s also made some great saves, Cardiff, Hull amongst others? I think he''s only young and will improve over the next few years. Good times!!!That said, I still think we could have saved £1m by giving Lewis the No.1 shirt. Bad times!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
noz4lyf 0 Posted March 12, 2008 exactly ... you can''t blame marshall when we have much worse players ! summer couldn''t come sooner !! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
macdougalls perm 0 Posted March 12, 2008 Your posts usually make a lot of sense Jas, but on this one I can only assume that eithera) You caught Marshall sh*****g your missus.orb) You''re Gilks in disguise. [:)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carlos Valderrama 0 Posted March 12, 2008 He is young for a keeper. He has done more good things than bad. He has kept us in more games than lost them for us. This is his first proper season of playing week in week out so it is to be expected that he lacks a little experience.Remember Robert Green''s first couple of seasons. Give him a chance, he will be a real asset one day.Too harsh on the boy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent Canary 0 Posted March 12, 2008 I thought we had been through this last week after I Shurmer destroyed all your arguements? (Or the fact you said the only reason Marshall is second in the opta rankings is because the team was in a winning run, and that the rankings therefore must be purely based on results. Despite the fact that the second ranked keeper in the league comes from a team in the bottom half of the table!) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent Canary 0 Posted March 12, 2008 And I say that as nicely as possible, as your posts are usually spot on Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rudolph Hucker 0 Posted March 12, 2008 This is NOT the time to tinker around with the keeper. Marshall is fine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
noz4lyf 0 Posted March 12, 2008 [quote user="jimmy500"]He is young for a keeper. He has done more good things than bad. He has kept us in more games than lost them for us. This is his first proper season of playing week in week out so it is to be expected that he lacks a little experience.Remember Robert Green''s first couple of seasons. Give him a chance, he will be a real asset one day.Too harsh on the boy.[/quote]i agree, he''s been one of the better players this season .. look where we would be if we didn''t have him in goal ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syteanric 1 Posted March 12, 2008 [quote user="Trent Canary"]I thought we had been through this last week after I Shurmer destroyed all your arguements? (Or the fact you said the only reason Marshall is second in the opta rankings is because the team was in a winning run, and that the rankings therefore must be purely based on results. Despite the fact that the second ranked keeper in the league comes from a team in the bottom half of the table!)[/quote]He hasnt been voted as one of the top 50 players in the league in 4-4-2 magaine by fans, players and Pundits though has he?Oddly.. Jamie Cureton has.....fans aside, those involved in the game (players and pundits) know nothing then?jas :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FilletTheFishWife . 0 Posted March 12, 2008 Jas, Can''t say i agreed with your repititious witchhunts re drury and Huckerby but i agree Marshall is a liability. Its no good making class reflex saves only to let weak goals in.We have to give Gilks a turn even it proves Marshall''s critics wrong. K Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arthur Whittle 0 Posted March 12, 2008 I think hes a tad overated. At 1 point i thought he was the best in this league but he seems to be suffering from Paul Robinsons cement legs syndrome and is not a quick mover, especially getting down to the ground. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
renegade tootsie 0 Posted March 12, 2008 Rubbish. Talk about a get home from the match knee-jerk. Marshall has pulled off so many world class saves (acknowledged by other managers) its helped us survive.Some of you people on this board are seriously out of control.[quote user="jas the barclay king"]Defend him after this rubbish!He cost us the game.. poor positioning, Poor distribution, almost cost us a second goal with a shot he should of smothered and to top it all off in injury time he blasted it off for a throw in when trying to to set up a late attack....I know i go on about him but the blokes a liablilty now.... time and time and time again his errors of judgement have cost us....now it looks like we are in the relegation fight again can we afford a goalkeeper who makes so many mistakes?Yes... he can pull of decent saves, and he does so regularly.. but making it look good for the cameras/scouts isnt enough... he has been found out time after time. You can argue the defence should of gobbled up that throw tonight but Marshall thought about coming, started too then went back, and left sidibe with a virtual open goal....Marshalls young, and mistakes will happen.. but he shouldnt be making AS MANY as he does... the worrying thing is they seem to be the same mistakes constantly.. he doesnt learn from them... We are in a dog fight now and im afraid we need solidarity and reliability at the back... If not Marshall or Gilks than someone else.... Id like to see Gilks given a game.. roeder probably has other idears....Time will eventually run out for Marshall... not soon enough if you ask me.jas :)[/quote] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creative Midfielder 2,203 Posted March 12, 2008 Although Jas is being a bit harsh in his comments on Marshall I''d have to agree with most of his basic criticisms.IMO the fact that Marshall does produce some great saves means that a lot of people then overlook other aspects of his game which are very poor.I know he is still young and may become a more complete keeper in time, hopefully he will. But in many respects he reminds me of his namesake Andy, another tremendous shot stopper as a young keeper who was expected to develop into a great all-round keeper but never did. Even Green, although he seems to have come on a bit at West Ham, doesnt seem to have developed as far or as fast as we might have hoped. I know lots of people think he should be in the England squad but IMO the reason he isnt is that he''s still essentially a great shot stopper rather than a great keeper.Hopefully Marshall will improve with experience but at the moment watching him makes me distinctly nervous, and at a time when most players are finally facing competiton for their place I dont see any harm in giving Gilks a few games to see whether he is as good, or not, or better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syteanric 1 Posted March 12, 2008 JC it seems from your reply that your one of the people who sees a goalkeeper as a shot stopper and nothing esle...I havent said Marshall isnt a good shot stopper have I? infact i think some of his saves have been world class.. thats never been in doubt! but its other areas of his game that let us down consistently... which my posts on this board over time have cited..take a look at Peter Schmeichel in his prime.. how many times did he come through crowds of players to retrieve the ball? how many times did he set up goals with his almighty throws? he shouted non stop through a game, issuing instructions, ordering the defence about... he didnt hesistate or flap.. once he made his mind up that was it.Same could be said of Gunny in his pomp here... perhaps Marhsalls all round game will improve now that Gunny is here too, giving David the confidence to go on and wipe out these mistakes...I hope so anyway.... as i think he can prove me wrong... but at the moment its time to try someone different.jas :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeedsYellow 0 Posted March 12, 2008 [quote user="I. Shurmer"]Jas, seeing as you clearly only post when circumstances suit your views, here''s a little excerpt of the current league table for you. If you can, please pay attention to the F and A column.Frankly, if this doesn''t stop you blaming Marshall for our woes, I don''t know what will! (I apologise for the formatting in advance - can''t work out pre tags in this editor)Team P W D L F A Pts GD2 Stoke City 38 18 12 8 61 49 66 12 17 NORWICH CITY 38 12 10 16 35 46 46 -11YOU SHOW THEM JAMIE![/quote]Jas - just thought I''d draw your attention to the above post from which you seemed to have completely glossed-over... much as you did last week when IShurmer destroyed all of your arguments on the same subject.It doesn''t do much for your credibility. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syteanric 1 Posted March 12, 2008 is that that we have conceded less goals then stoke? nothing to do with the back 4 then?jas :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeedsYellow 0 Posted March 12, 2008 [quote user="jas the barclay king"]is that that we have conceded less goals then stoke? nothing to do with the back 4 then?jas :)[/quote]Close Jas. Now have a look at the ''F'' column as well as the ''A'' column - this illustrates that Stoke (who are second in the table) have scored more goals than us, but have also conceeded more goals than us. Can you see where this is going? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
noz4lyf 0 Posted March 12, 2008 [quote user="jas the barclay king"]JC it seems from your reply that your one of the people who sees a goalkeeper as a shot stopper and nothing esle...I havent said Marshall isnt a good shot stopper have I? infact i think some of his saves have been world class.. thats never been in doubt! but its other areas of his game that let us down consistently... which my posts on this board over time have cited..take a look at Peter Schmeichel in his prime.. how many times did he come through crowds of players to retrieve the ball? how many times did he set up goals with his almighty throws? he shouted non stop through a game, issuing instructions, ordering the defence about... he didnt hesistate or flap.. once he made his mind up that was it.Same could be said of Gunny in his pomp here... perhaps Marhsalls all round game will improve now that Gunny is here too, giving David the confidence to go on and wipe out these mistakes...I hope so anyway.... as i think he can prove me wrong... but at the moment its time to try someone different.jas :)[/quote] youre firstly saying that you think marshall could get up to where peter was .. i doubt that ! what you actually you expect from a championship keeper ?marshall isn''t the problem .. he''s done everything he should have done all season who do you want in goal buffon ?it''s not going to happen seriously, there''s weaker links in the team we should be looking at .. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Largey 0 Posted March 12, 2008 We need to remember we are sitting in the lower half of the table, and we have IMO a keeper good enough to play for a championship winning club, so we should be grateful. Yes, he is here to make those all important saves, and its hard to judge a GK when he has no-one else in the team to judge him against, but he has been our player of the match on many games, he has kept us int he match on many games, i wish the strikers could do the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boyo 0 Posted March 12, 2008 I agree with Jas. I have never liked Marshall, because you cant rely on him. He has never been good at coming for crosses and the goal we conceded against Stoke proves that. He though about coming, then he didnt, then the ball flew over him. I put him at fault for lasts nights goal and for the goal v Coventry. Against Coventry he could of stuck out a leg and blocked it but instead he tried to dive on it and make himself look good.Time for Gilks to be given a chance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
noz4lyf 0 Posted March 12, 2008 okay give gilks a chance .. he''ll be just as bad ! i don''t understand whyy ur slating marshall .. there''s much worse in the team ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
