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I am a supporter of over 50 years and having watched last weeks match, despite the win I thought we were dreadful; we could not pass the ball to save our lives. It is of no surprise that we lost today as the team selection which included the very light weight Gibbs just asked to be walked over; and it was. It  is apparent that Roeder is comprising the club to satisfy his desire and personal commitment to play the loan players with disregard to their performance. If any fan believes we out of the mire, jut look at the next four games that could and probably will put us back into the relegation positions. As for taking this under performing team away to Spain for a jolly just beggars belief. Yes Roeder has done well, but he above all people he needs to keep his feet on the ground, and as a priority get a loan striker in like Craig Beatie as a matter of urgency, otherwise it will be down to winning away at Shef Weds on the last day of the season, and we all no what[: the outcome will be!! [:(]

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Agree 100% now there are two of us but soon there will be hundreds.Roeder interested in himself nothing else

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[quote user="Burton Canary"]I am a supporter of over 50 years and having watched last weeks match, despite the win I thought we were dreadful; we could not pass the ball to save our lives. It is of no surprise that we lost today as the team selection which included the very light weight Gibbs just asked to be walked over; and it was. It  is apparent that Roeder is comprising the club to satisfy his desire and personal commitment to play the loan players with disregard to their performance. If any fan believes we out of the mire, jut look at the next four games that could and probably will put us back into the relegation positions. As for taking this under performing team away to Spain for a jolly just beggars belief. Yes Roeder has done well, but he above all people he needs to keep his feet on the ground, and as a priority get a loan striker in like Craig Beatie as a matter of urgency, otherwise it will be down to winning away at Shef Weds on the last day of the season, and we all no what[: the outcome will be!! [:(][/quote]

 

I also have a problem with the loanees being played and rotated even when they haven''t performed in a previous game. Gibbs and Henry just aren''t any better than what we have and just shouldn''t be in the squad.

You have to wonder what would have happened if the board had given Roeder £4m - £5m in January to buy a decent striker, midfielder, central defender and left back instead of the 7 loanees. Would we then have made the play offs?

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[quote user="Burton Canary"]I am a supporter of over 50 years and having watched last weeks match, despite the win I thought we were dreadful; we could not pass the ball to save our lives. It is of no surprise that we lost today as the team selection which included the very light weight Gibbs just asked to be walked over; and it was. It  is apparent that Roeder is comprising the club to satisfy his desire and personal commitment to play the loan players with disregard to their performance. If any fan believes we out of the mire, jut look at the next four games that could and probably will put us back into the relegation positions. As for taking this under performing team away to Spain for a jolly just beggars belief. Yes Roeder has done well, but he above all people he needs to keep his feet on the ground, and as a priority get a loan striker in like Craig Beatie as a matter of urgency, otherwise it will be down to winning away at Shef Weds on the last day of the season, and we all no what[: the outcome will be!! [:(][/quote]

Overwhelmingly negative post which will draw agreement from the Jonahs of this message board like 1st Wizard and the like.

However -

November 8 points from 13 games

Now, we are all but safe.  That was the extent of this season''s mission & Roeder has done it easily with loan players and competition in the squad.  Eyes must turn now to the rebuilding at the end of the season.  I don''t ever want another season like this one again.

And it''s "compromised," by the way.

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The voice of the Thorpe Area! said: Umm, pipe down please.

No! why should he?.......................we''re not safe yet................look at the league table!.

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[quote user="Burton Canary"]I am a supporter of over 50 years and having watched last weeks match, despite the win I thought we were dreadful; we could not pass the ball to save our lives. It is of no surprise that we lost today as the team selection which included the very light weight Gibbs just asked to be walked over; and it was. It  is apparent that Roeder is comprising the club to satisfy his desire and personal commitment to play the loan players with disregard to their performance. If any fan believes we out of the mire, jut look at the next four games that could and probably will put us back into the relegation positions. As for taking this under performing team away to Spain for a jolly just beggars belief. Yes Roeder has done well, but he above all people he needs to keep his feet on the ground, and as a priority get a loan striker in like Craig Beatie as a matter of urgency, otherwise it will be down to winning away at Shef Weds on the last day of the season, and we all no what[: the outcome will be!! [:(][/quote]

 

I also have a problem with the loanees being played and rotated even when they haven''t performed in a previous game. Gibbs and Henry just aren''t any better than what we have and just shouldn''t be in the squad.

You have to wonder what would have happened if the board had given Roeder £4m - £5m in January to buy a decent striker, midfielder, central defender and left back instead of the 7 loanees. Would we then have made the play offs?

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I agree CA.... Unfortunately the club doesnt have any money to give... even £1 million for roeder to cover 1 problem position (striker) would of meant 1 less Loanee.... I said at the tiem Roeders hand was forced and i stick by it.. theres no money so its ''make do'' time...

 

jas :)

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While all fans are entitled to their views this to me is insulting to the fantastic job Glenn has done in a very short period  ,  we were in the SHIT only heading in one direction .                    The loan players are premeirship quality players not any old players , yes they are young and lacking in experience  but the talent is coming through , they will have poor games and good games and hopefully some very good matches when they settle in to the systems the manager employs .                    To call the trip away a jolly was not what i had heard it was at all , they trained hard  [ Russell confirmed this on radio ]  bonded together well and enjoyed a good brake away from colney , it is all to easy to use this as an excuse for a reportedly very poor show against Blackpool  we were beaten by the better side on the day no ifs no buts .                   I could not attend saturday but did see the Barnsley match to me our real problem is we don''t finish off teams and yes another striker would clearly help in that area at least a good one would but they are not easy to get and always cost plenty and then they do not always work out ,  Evans is a good striker with potential to be very very good , Pearce on last weeks show looked a more than decent centre- half  [ very strong ]  ,  Bertrand has impressed me and many of my mates he WILL make it  , Gibbs and Henry have struggled to play a big part so far , Camara is more than usefull in this league but the biggest loss may well be the sad injury to Bates a real  aggresive hard tackler and prolific worker who added  a lot to the side from day one lets hope he recovers fully and who knows he may put on the yellow shirt again....................................................come on city....................................................                

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[quote user="jas the barclay king"][quote user="cityangel"]

[quote user="Burton Canary"]I am a supporter of over 50 years and having watched last weeks match, despite the win I thought we were dreadful; we could not pass the ball to save our lives. It is of no surprise that we lost today as the team selection which included the very light weight Gibbs just asked to be walked over; and it was. It  is apparent that Roeder is comprising the club to satisfy his desire and personal commitment to play the loan players with disregard to their performance. If any fan believes we out of the mire, jut look at the next four games that could and probably will put us back into the relegation positions. As for taking this under performing team away to Spain for a jolly just beggars belief. Yes Roeder has done well, but he above all people he needs to keep his feet on the ground, and as a priority get a loan striker in like Craig Beatie as a matter of urgency, otherwise it will be down to winning away at Shef Weds on the last day of the season, and we all no what[: the outcome will be!! [:(][/quote]

 

I also have a problem with the loanees being played and rotated even when they haven''t performed in a previous game. Gibbs and Henry just aren''t any better than what we have and just shouldn''t be in the squad.

You have to wonder what would have happened if the board had given Roeder £4m - £5m in January to buy a decent striker, midfielder, central defender and left back instead of the 7 loanees. Would we then have made the play offs?

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I agree CA.... Unfortunately the club doesnt have any money to give... even £1 million for roeder to cover 1 problem position (striker) would of meant 1 less Loanee.... I said at the tiem Roeders hand was forced and i stick by it.. theres no money so its ''make do'' time...

 

jas :)

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Which striker were we going to buy for £1M?

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[quote user="jas the barclay king"][quote user="cityangel"]

[quote user="Burton Canary"]I am a supporter of over 50 years and having watched last weeks match, despite the win I thought we were dreadful; we could not pass the ball to save our lives. It is of no surprise that we lost today as the team selection which included the very light weight Gibbs just asked to be walked over; and it was. It  is apparent that Roeder is comprising the club to satisfy his desire and personal commitment to play the loan players with disregard to their performance. If any fan believes we out of the mire, jut look at the next four games that could and probably will put us back into the relegation positions. As for taking this under performing team away to Spain for a jolly just beggars belief. Yes Roeder has done well, but he above all people he needs to keep his feet on the ground, and as a priority get a loan striker in like Craig Beatie as a matter of urgency, otherwise it will be down to winning away at Shef Weds on the last day of the season, and we all no what[: the outcome will be!! [:(][/quote]

 

I also have a problem with the loanees being played and rotated even when they haven''t performed in a previous game. Gibbs and Henry just aren''t any better than what we have and just shouldn''t be in the squad.

You have to wonder what would have happened if the board had given Roeder £4m - £5m in January to buy a decent striker, midfielder, central defender and left back instead of the 7 loanees. Would we then have made the play offs?

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I agree CA.... Unfortunately the club doesnt have any money to give... even £1 million for roeder to cover 1 problem position (striker) would of meant 1 less Loanee.... I said at the tiem Roeders hand was forced and i stick by it.. theres no money so its ''make do'' time...

 

jas :)

[/quote]spot on - why would a proper manager like roeder chose to bring in 4 young loanees if he had the money to bring in 4 experienced players???  especially because playing these young loanees has upset the balance of the squad (through unwarranted rotations) and caused our winning form to grind to a halt.  as usual, the most telling fact, was that another NCFC manager was forced to sell more players than he got in during the transfer window.  all the more galling, when one is joe lewis, who has man u and liverpool sniffing around him, a little more than 2 months after going?!?  and this is despite roeder  selling early in the window, and then geeing up in public those working behind the scenes to get more ''bodies in.''   instead, we made late undervalued offers, got knocked back (with great delight by the porn kings at brum) and ended up with the cheapest of options - young loanees with probably no loan fees - just wages to find.  the noises from fozzy, roeder and then ''we''ll do all we can'' mumby (which isn''t the same as - no worries, glen will be properly resourced) last week suggests doncasters blackhole has been very active and swallowed up money earmarked for the summer - leaving the NCFC captain and roeder looking for PUBLIC assurances from the  board.   the fact, that citys financial linen has been aired in public, suggests all is not well privately behind the scene - the cupboard if, not bare, is down on what it should be.it looks likely we''ll escape relegation, and we should all be very grateful to roeder for saving our bacon.  TBH (and i don''t want to see him gone) if he got a better offer, i would wish glen the best of luck, and be very thankful for what he''s done for the club.  he deserves to be backed  in the window,  but i doubt if it will be by us.

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Roeder has done a great job in pulling us out of the relegation places, but I''m not quite sure where we are going with all the loanees..Will we have to start again from scratch next season?

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We are going to win nothing this season.  The play-offs were always going to be too far.  By consistently playing the loan boys he is sending a message to all premier league managers.  Send me your young-uns and I will blood them, they will get a good education here.

In doing this when the close season starts a few more prem managers will be willing to send their better quality youngsters.  The game Glen Roeder is playing is all about sending the right message.  From bottom & crap against QPR to respectable mid table and closer to the play-offs than relegation.  Not really any room for criticism is there.  Honestly, some of the comments on this site beggar belief sometimes.

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[quote user="Burton Canary"]As for taking this under performing team away to Spain for a jolly just beggars belief.[/quote]

That would be the same team that took 36 points from 18 matches? That''s title-winning form - hardly under performing.

As bad as yesterday was, I think you''re going a bit over-the-top.

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[quote user="sandboy"]Agree 100% now there are two of us but soon there will be hundreds.Roeder interested in himself nothing else[/quote]Yep, keeping us up from an almost impossible position just to make himself look good...Some people...

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[quote user="bunny"][quote user="jas the barclay king"][quote user="cityangel"]

[quote user="Burton Canary"]I am a supporter of over 50 years and having watched last weeks match, despite the win I thought we were dreadful; we could not pass the ball to save our lives. It is of no surprise that we lost today as the team selection which included the very light weight Gibbs just asked to be walked over; and it was. It  is apparent that Roeder is comprising the club to satisfy his desire and personal commitment to play the loan players with disregard to their performance. If any fan believes we out of the mire, jut look at the next four games that could and probably will put us back into the relegation positions. As for taking this under performing team away to Spain for a jolly just beggars belief. Yes Roeder has done well, but he above all people he needs to keep his feet on the ground, and as a priority get a loan striker in like Craig Beatie as a matter of urgency, otherwise it will be down to winning away at Shef Weds on the last day of the season, and we all no what[: the outcome will be!! [:(][/quote]

 

I also have a problem with the loanees being played and rotated even when they haven''t performed in a previous game. Gibbs and Henry just aren''t any better than what we have and just shouldn''t be in the squad.

You have to wonder what would have happened if the board had given Roeder £4m - £5m in January to buy a decent striker, midfielder, central defender and left back instead of the 7 loanees. Would we then have made the play offs?

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I agree CA.... Unfortunately the club doesnt have any money to give... even £1 million for roeder to cover 1 problem position (striker) would of meant 1 less Loanee.... I said at the tiem Roeders hand was forced and i stick by it.. theres no money so its ''make do'' time...

 

jas :)

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Which striker were we going to buy for £1M?

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who knows Bunny? had Roeder of had 1 million pounds we might of just found out...

jas :)

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We are going to win nothing this season.  The play-offs were always going to be too far.  By consistently playing the loan boys he is sending a message to all premier league managers.  Send me your young-uns and I will blood them, they will get a good education here.

In doing this when the close season starts a few more prem managers will be willing to send their better quality youngsters.  The game Glen Roeder is playing is all about sending the right message.  From bottom & crap against QPR to respectable mid table and closer to the play-offs than relegation.  Not really any room for criticism is there.  Honestly, some of the comments on this site beggar belief sometimes.

[/quote]Well said Jimmy, best post i have seen on here for a long time.Nice to see common sense prevailing for once, rather than this Roeder hate that is being spouted by the moronic element of posters.By the way, whoever the original poster was, I think you meant compromised. If Roeder comprised the club, as you suggest, then he would by definition be an integral part of the club.Inadvertently, even the posters who cannot understand that Glenn has done a good job, get the right idea in thread titles....

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We are going to win nothing this season.  The play-offs were always going to be too far.  By consistently playing the loan boys he is sending a message to all premier league managers.  Send me your young-uns and I will blood them, they will get a good education here.

In doing this when the close season starts a few more prem managers will be willing to send their better quality youngsters.  The game Glen Roeder is playing is all about sending the right message.  From bottom & crap against QPR to respectable mid table and closer to the play-offs than relegation.  Not really any room for criticism is there.  Honestly, some of the comments on this site beggar belief sometimes.

[/quote]well after the way we publically haggled with brum over taylor, other clubs will probably think twice about loaning experienced players to us, lest we try to get ''em on the cheap - so young''uns  is probably all we''ve got to look forward to. i applaud roedy for what he''s done for the club - but lets all be honest here, if the funds were available to him, he''d have spent it on better players than 4 young inexperienced loanees.     he''s a serious manager - it must have pained him deep down that to bolster a thin squad, he''d be gambling on such young, tender blood to keep our run going.  unfortunately for glen, the gambles floundered, and its making him look a proper charlie.  it must have been difficult for him to take that first half performance on the chin - many a person in our crowd we''re giving the team some real stick - and rightly so - i bet roeders glad he stands in front of the city stand, rather than barclay.all of it is undeserved, i feel gutted for roeder - cos he''s having to take flak - when the real culprits are drinking sherry in the boardroom.   what a bunch of lightweights - they don''t deserve to have a football manager like roedy running the show - the sooner they go the better imo.

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[quote user="1st Wizard"]The voice of the Thorpe Area! said: Umm, pipe down please.

No! why should he?.......................we''re not safe yet................look at the league table!.

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Wiz, I can''t help but think that so many people, yourself included, have made a mountain out of a very small mole hill on this one. Yes, we are safe, it would take a run of results not only from us, but from every club below us never ever seen or thought of before for us to go down now. We''d have taken 21st place on goal difference 3 or 4 months back, and we owe it all to one man- what on earth at this moment in time gives you or anyone the right to critisise the man for saving us? This kind of thing makes my blood boil almost as much as those people who will not accept that Nigel Worthington did a good job here.

 

 

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We are going to win nothing this season.  The play-offs were always going to be too far.  By consistently playing the loan boys he is sending a message to all premier league managers.  Send me your young-uns and I will blood them, they will get a good education here.

In doing this when the close season starts a few more prem managers will be willing to send their better quality youngsters.  The game Glen Roeder is playing is all about sending the right message.  From bottom & crap against QPR to respectable mid table and closer to the play-offs than relegation.  Not really any room for criticism is there.  Honestly, some of the comments on this site beggar belief sometimes.

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Well said Jimmy, best post i have seen on here for a long time.

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I agree. While Roeder undoubtedly will buy new players in the summer market (and I believe he will be funded more generously this time than NCFC managers usually are) he will also rely on quality loanees, who add cometition and depth. In 2003/04 a similar formula worked out well for us... 

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Whilst I am happy with what GR has done to take us from relegation fodder to mid table safety I am blowed if as a fan I am expected to accept a dismal performance like that, particularly as it is not an isolated incident, since the 4-0 defeat at Leicester we have been shocking. You have to question the wisdom of a three day break in Spain ( we are nor any better at set pieces but we can make a mean sand castle). I hear that the players were in Delia`s retaurant after the game!!............ [6]

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[quote user="jas the barclay king"][quote user="cityangel"]

[quote user="Burton Canary"]I am a supporter of over 50 years and having watched last weeks match, despite the win I thought we were dreadful; we could not pass the ball to save our lives. It is of no surprise that we lost today as the team selection which included the very light weight Gibbs just asked to be walked over; and it was. It  is apparent that Roeder is comprising the club to satisfy his desire and personal commitment to play the loan players with disregard to their performance. If any fan believes we out of the mire, jut look at the next four games that could and probably will put us back into the relegation positions. As for taking this under performing team away to Spain for a jolly just beggars belief. Yes Roeder has done well, but he above all people he needs to keep his feet on the ground, and as a priority get a loan striker in like Craig Beatie as a matter of urgency, otherwise it will be down to winning away at Shef Weds on the last day of the season, and we all no what[: the outcome will be!! [:(][/quote]

 

I also have a problem with the loanees being played and rotated even when they haven''t performed in a previous game. Gibbs and Henry just aren''t any better than what we have and just shouldn''t be in the squad.

You have to wonder what would have happened if the board had given Roeder £4m - £5m in January to buy a decent striker, midfielder, central defender and left back instead of the 7 loanees. Would we then have made the play offs?

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I agree CA.... Unfortunately the club doesnt have any money to give... even £1 million for roeder to cover 1 problem position (striker) would of meant 1 less Loanee.... I said at the tiem Roeders hand was forced and i stick by it.. theres no money so its ''make do'' time...

 

jas :)

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Strange there''s no money!!!!!! How much did the club spend on land and roads last year?

 

FOOTBALL MUST COME FIRST

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[quote user="Burton Canary"]I am a supporter of over 50 years and having watched last weeks match, despite the win I thought we were dreadful; we could not pass the ball to save our lives. It is of no surprise that we lost today as the team selection which included the very light weight Gibbs just asked to be walked over; and it was. It  is apparent that Roeder is comprising the club to satisfy his desire and personal commitment to play the loan players with disregard to their performance. If any fan believes we out of the mire, jut look at the next four games that could and probably will put us back into the relegation positions. As for taking this under performing team away to Spain for a jolly just beggars belief. Yes Roeder has done well, but he above all people he needs to keep his feet on the ground, and as a priority get a loan striker in like Craig Beatie as a matter of urgency, otherwise it will be down to winning away at Shef Weds on the last day of the season, and we all no what[: the outcome will be!! [:(][/quote]

 

I also have a problem with the loanees being played and rotated even when they haven''t performed in a previous game. Gibbs and Henry just aren''t any better than what we have and just shouldn''t be in the squad.

You have to wonder what would have happened if the board had given Roeder £4m - £5m in January to buy a decent striker, midfielder, central defender and left back instead of the 7 loanees. Would we then have made the play offs?

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Possably, but wouldnt we have vastly overpaid in the process?? Why not wait till the summer when contracts begin to expire and the market is more reasonable. This season was all about avoiding the drop. Lets never forget that! Roeder can launch a serious promotion camapaign next season when he has built his own squad.

This level of panic amazes me. We didnt play well, we lost a game as a result, deal with it people! It wasnt just the loanies that played crap, it was a team effort. Those of you who blame Roeder and the loanies are expecting way too much. I admit, Gibbs is garbage (cancel his contract wee please Glenn), but the rest have shown enough quality and are more than adequate to keep our club up.

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[quote user="sandboy"]Agree 100% now there are two of us but soon there will be hundreds.Roeder interested in himself nothing else[/quote]

You''ve got to be kidding?! Will all the negative fans just please get lost and go to support Ipswich. Surely the point of being supporters is to SUPPORT.

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We are going to win nothing this season.  The play-offs were always going to be too far.  By consistently playing the loan boys he is sending a message to all premier league managers.  Send me your young-uns and I will blood them, they will get a good education here.

In doing this when the close season starts a few more prem managers will be willing to send their better quality youngsters.  The game Glen Roeder is playing is all about sending the right message.  From bottom & crap against QPR to respectable mid table and closer to the play-offs than relegation.  Not really any room for criticism is there.  Honestly, some of the comments on this site beggar belief sometimes.

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well after the way we publically haggled with brum over taylor, other clubs will probably think twice about loaning experienced players to us, lest we try to get ''em on the cheap - so young''uns  is probably all we''ve got to look forward to.

i applaud roedy for what he''s done for the club - but lets all be honest here, if the funds were available to him, he''d have spent it on better players than 4 young inexperienced loanees.     he''s a serious manager - it must have pained him deep down that to bolster a thin squad, he''d be gambling on such young, tender blood to keep our run going. 

unfortunately for glen, the gambles floundered, and its making him look a proper charlie.  it must have been difficult for him to take that first half performance on the chin - many a person in our crowd we''re giving the team some real stick - and rightly so - i bet roeders glad he stands in front of the city stand, rather than barclay.

all of it is undeserved, i feel gutted for roeder - cos he''s having to take flak - when the real culprits are drinking sherry in the boardroom.   what a bunch of lightweights - they don''t deserve to have a football manager like roedy running the show - the sooner they go the better imo.[/quote]

It has been well documented that Roeder did have a budget to spend and chose to save it for the summer.  So I am not sure the way we negotiate fees for players is relevant.  Also lets not forget that Brady/Birmingham chose to make the Tiny bid public, not us.

I have said it before but we are playing the long game.  There will be no quick fix in the summer.  Its impossible, as you have already said we will be very light in the summer.  Its not realistic to expect a permanent signing to replace every single player who leaves.  Even if it was, would you really want that.  Clubs who sign 8-10 players in one hit pretty much always struggle.  We have to play the loan market next season, we have no choice.

And no need to bring the board into it again.  Its becoming like a broken record on this forum.  I want the board to stay, because although they make mistakes they are not all that bad, its just that some have unrealistic expectations.  I point everyone to look at Southampton to see that the grass isn''t always greener.

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Hang on -we lost a game at home. It happens - see Watford for details. And why all the focus on Gibbs? We lost on Saturday because an enterprising Blackpool side came here to attack, with two strikers always looking for gaps in our back four and wingers ready and able to turn our full-backs, nothing to do with Gibbs. Basically our back four lacked any cohesion, with chaotic marking and someone always playing Blackpool onside. Judging from Pattison''s performances in the previous games, I''d definitely have picked Gibbs ahead of him, though Pattison''s cameo on Saturday was rather better. In attack, our forwards were generally nothing like as adventurous as Blackpool''s, and when they were we still didn''t get the ball to them early enough to create chances - and that''s been the one big hangover from early season that Roeder hasn''t managed to cure. This has nothing to do with loan players-v-permanent signings, and it''s unfair to judge Roeder simply on his dealings in the notoriously difficult January transfer window. He can''t be blamed for not signing players who weren''t actually available, or players who didn''t want to come here. He wants to get quality footballers in but at the same time needed bodies, so he did the best he could. I think Evans, Bertrand, Pearce and Gibbs are all good signings, though none of them played particularly well.on Saturday (but then neither did the rest). Don''t you think we should give Roeder more than 3 months before s**tcanning him? He may be too thin-skinned and vocal for many of us, but he''s improved the side immensely.

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