Will he get it?

[Green and Yellow 0]

Will the board back Roader this summer with REAL money and show REAL ambition. Or will  it be the usual old NCFC board assisted by Doncaster trotting out the usual  old ''we have to live within a budget rubbish''?. (having taken money from 18000+ season ticket sales). 

[First Wizard 0]

[quote user="The Great Escape. "]Will the board back Roader this summer with REAL money and show REAL ambition. Or will  it be the usual old NCFC board assisted by Doncaster trotting out the usual  old ''we have to live within a budget rubbish''?. (having taken money from 18000+ season ticket sales). [/quote]

There''s not a cat in hells chance of this damn usless board ever backing any manager, let alone Roeder. I''ll happily change my username if they do...............leopards don''t change their spots!.[:|]

[Carlos Valderrama 0]

[quote user="The Great Escape. "]Will the board back Roader this summer with REAL money and show REAL ambition. Or will  it be the usual old NCFC board assisted by Doncaster trotting out the usual  old ''we have to live within a budget rubbish''?. (having taken money from 18000+ season ticket sales). [/quote]

Good idea.  Lets take the £8m ish this has generated and give it all to Roeder, all the players can play for the love of the beautiful game.  All the debts can be put on hold for a year, and we can take 12 months payment terms with all the other suppliers.  Or, and this might work we can put everyone on a paid when promoted scheme.

Please people get real. The old ''we have to live within a budget rubbish'' is not rubbish.  It''s exactly the same for a football club as it is for you & me personally.  We all have to live within our means.  Trust me, the budget will be about £2-3m, and don''t forget its how you spend it that counts.  After all Sheffield United aren''t exactly setting the league alight and they have spent bucket loads.

[Joanna Grey 0]

Another waste of bandwidth.... try here;

 

http://www.pinkun.com/cs/forums/1179281/ShowPost.aspx

[Mr.Carrow 394]

[quote user="jimmy500"]

[quote user="The Great Escape. "]Will the board back Roader this summer with REAL money and show REAL ambition. Or will  it be the usual old NCFC board assisted by Doncaster trotting out the usual  old ''we have to live within a budget rubbish''?. (having taken money from 18000+ season ticket sales). [/quote]

Good idea.  Lets take the £8m ish this has generated and give it all to Roeder, all the players can play for the love of the beautiful game.  All the debts can be put on hold for a year, and we can take 12 months payment terms with all the other suppliers.  Or, and this might work we can put everyone on a paid when promoted scheme.

Please people get real. The old ''we have to live within a budget rubbish'' is not rubbish.  It''s exactly the same for a football club as it is for you & me personally.  We all have to live within our means.  Trust me, the budget will be about £2-3m, and don''t forget its how you spend it that counts.  After all Sheffield United aren''t exactly setting the league alight and they have spent bucket loads.

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We made a loss of £4m in the year we went up- albeit with a reduced capacity- which does show that our board at least are aware of the business phrase "speculate to accumulate". To get the club on the up again and keep Roeder happy they need to do the same again. And it`s not about risking the future of the club, it`s about being prepared to take a calculated gamble to give the biggest support in the league what they want- success on the pitch. I would argue that it`s a more risky gamble NOT to push the boat out in support of Roeder as the consequences could well be chaotic.

[lucky green trainers 0]

[quote user="bunny"]

Another waste of bandwidth.... try here;

 

http://www.pinkun.com/cs/forums/1179281/ShowPost.aspx

[/quote]everything returns to light bunny??? including you!!! however much you doubt it???

[Carrow89 184]

" We made a loss of £4m in the year we went up "And you explained why. A one off event that reduced income BUT DID NOT reduce agreed outgoings.The rather childlike bleat that the wicked board has chests full of money waiting to be ''released'' but refuse to because in the pantomime world that many on here exist in the are all baddies. Gone are the days when banks would simply lend money to clubs unsecured. Our last experience of that was with Chase when the bank foreclosed on the club and obliged it to sell to players. Ironically the very over tired children on here who enternally whine about ''investment'' were doubtlessly the same who cast the borrowings of Chase and the man as the devil incarnate.This primitive and simplistic belief that throwing money at something will guarantee an inventuality suggests that the club should abandon the ''On the ball City'' chant before the game and should instead indulge in some pagan worhsip ceremony.Maybe that might attract a few of the usual anti club rabble to the ground ............. as supporting the club doesn''t appear to !

[Carlos Valderrama 0]

I agree with your post to a certain extent.  Mainly because of the way you have put it across, with reasoned argument for.  Personally I am just bored of the ''put your hand in your pocket Delia'' brigade and there unrealistic expectations.  Agree with the £4m loss the year we went up.  However look at it from the other side of the coin.  We didn''t speculate from the off, we started well and found ourselves in a good position then speculated to make sure it happened.

£4m is a hell of a lot of money.  What if we gamble it and don''t manage promotion, that could put us back another 5 years.  The money has to come fom somewhere.  From what you have said next season should go along the lines of, spend 2-3m in the summer, start the season well, find ourselves at the sharp end come December, speculate more money making it happen.  That would do for me, I would be well happy.

What won''t, and can''t happen is 6-7m spent outright in the summer.  We just can''t sustain that sort of loss as a club.  Thats not being ambitious , but it is being sensible.

Speculate to accumulate is a good idea when it works.  Can absolutely finish you if you get it wrong.  Too risky for me.  As much as it pains me to say it, and I expect a barrage of criticism and insults for this, but we need to combine ambition with prudence.  Unless we can find a billionaire investor.

[Mello Yello 2,572]

[quote user="Ralph Wright"]" We made a loss of £4m in the year we went up "

And you explained why. A one off event that reduced income BUT DID NOT reduce agreed outgoings.

The rather childlike bleat that the wicked board has chests full of money waiting to be ''released'' but refuse to because in the pantomime world that many on here exist in the are all baddies.

Gone are the days when banks would simply lend money to clubs unsecured. Our last experience of that was with Chase when the bank foreclosed on the club and obliged it to sell to players. Ironically the very over tired children on here who enternally whine about ''investment'' were doubtlessly the same who cast the borrowings of Chase and the man as the devil incarnate.

This primitive and simplistic belief that throwing money at something will guarantee an inventuality suggests that the club should abandon the ''On the ball City'' chant before the game and should instead indulge in some pagan worhsip ceremony.

Maybe that might attract a few of the usual anti club rabble to the ground ............. as supporting the club doesn''t appear to !
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Rabble?........Somewhat better than bein'' labelled a ''binner''.......Gettin'' soft in your old age?.......Anyway, fancy a trip to Stonehenge for the Summer Solstice Ralphus? I can let you have one of my old ''nearly white'' bedsheets and a false grey ''full-set'' beard so you won''t look out of place......"PAGAN''s against the FAGIN''s of  Carra!"......."Please Delia......Can we have some more?"

 

[Mr.Carrow 394]

jimmy500, this argument has run and run and it`s difficult to get away from the usual "Delia should spend millions" versus the "we might go bust, look at Leeds" stuff. But i think our board have been cautious in the extreme in recent years and as a result we have been more likely to get relegated than promoted even with £7.1m parachute payments for the last two seasons, and we will soon have the smallest squad of proffesionals at the club for decades. Barry Skipper came out a few months after leaving the board and said the club could raise up to £13m by restructuring the debt and selling off the remaining shares, so it seems that where there`s a will there`s a way. Even half that figure would bring a smile to Roeders- and even the most cynical of supporters- faces i`m sure.

Is it a massive risk? Well we still own land apparently worth £10m+ and we have a supporter base which looks like it will stick with the club no matter what, so i would say it would be a calculated gamble taken from a pretty strong position. And of course if it all goes pear-shaped there is a reasonable chance we will be left with extremely valuable players on our books a la Ashton, Francis, Jonsson, Green, Earnie, Etuhu etc.

Now think about the consequences of NOT backing Roeder sufficiently to keep him happy.......It really doesn`t bear thinking about. Time for the board to show some mettle and prove that they are not content with trundling along in obscurity as "nice little Norwich from the country" IMO.

[scott 0]

I hope so cause 18300 now and most likely the 20,000 season ticket will be let down big time if Glen doesn''t doesn''t get the finances he so obviously needs!

 

No doubt there will be a budget but as one previous poster suggests throwing money at it doesn''t guarantee success!

[Carlos Valderrama 0]

Mr Carrow.  I had forgotten about the Barry Skipper report, and if what he has said is true then why not.  Restructuring the debt alone would probably be sufficient.  Isn''t that how Derby funded it the year they went up.

[Bobert 0]

I don''t want anyone to gamble with NCFC Mr Carrow. I enjoy my visits to the Club far too much (win or loose) for anyone to take risks.

I think the Board have got it just right and any money to spare should be spent building another tier on the City Stand so that another 5,000 Norwich supporters can enjoy CR with me on a Saturday.

 

[Hog 0]

Its kind of sad but I would be happy if he got 3 mill (on top of wages, agents fee''s etc) and I say that because I am ready for naff all!

[Mr.Carrow 394]

[quote user="Bobert"]

I don''t want anyone to gamble with NCFC Mr Carrow. I enjoy my visits to the Club far too much (win or loose) for anyone to take risks.

I think the Board have got it just right and any money to spare should be spent building another tier on the City Stand so that another 5,000 Norwich supporters can enjoy CR with me on a Saturday.

 

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If this is a serious post then this just sums up the weak mentality prevelant at Carrow Rd these days and the reason why we will probably continue to under-achieve.