Barry Brockes 147 Posted February 18, 2008 At the risk of being somewhat premature and on the assumption that we will be in this league next season which players presently at the club do we think are good enough to be in a side that is going all out for a top two finish. I''m not referring to squad players able to fill in where needed but players who, if they''re fit and available, should be in GR''s starting eleven week in, week out going for that top two slot with the qualities that are needed to do just that. I''m also assuming that Dion and Hucks will be gone and all the loanees will have returned from whence they came. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
we8wba 0 Posted February 18, 2008 if loans go back, hucks dublin leave/retire your left withgoalies - marshall, gilksdefenders - shackell, drury, ostemphor, doherty, r.jarvis, lappinmidfielders - croft, chadwick, fotheringham, russell, pattison, eagle, spillane, strikers - cureton, martin, renton, looks bit short numbers - 3strikers none particarly prolific. one with experience who could score 10goals in this league at pushmidfield - russell gets injured then your in deep poo poodefence - drury gets fit, covers your left back position and solves few probsgoalkeeper - marshall top notch in this league, can norwich hold off those vultures? even if team like wba went up they could pinch himobviosuly norwich will go into the market in summer, but you need quality over quantity or you will struggle again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ca 1 Posted February 18, 2008 [quote user="we8wba"]if loans go back, hucks dublin leave/retire your left withgoalies - marshall, gilksdefenders - shackell, drury, ostemphor, doherty, r.jarvis, lappinmidfielders - croft, chadwick, fotheringham, russell, pattison, eagle, spillane, strikers - cureton, martin, renton, [/quote] You''ve missed Cave Brown (defender) Camara( think he''s staying) one of the Jarvis brothers, Ryan is a striker and Rossi is a midfielder, Bally Smart( midfielder) plus its Ostemober not Ostemphor!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
we8wba 0 Posted February 18, 2008 camara stay isnt assured is it? sorry missing out those players im sure they will be somewhat positive players for you next season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VOR 0 Posted February 18, 2008 ermmm, I''m sure it''s Otsemobor actually!! I''ve never seem one person''s name spelt or pronounced incorrectly so many times, it''s really not that difficult is it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boba Fett 0 Posted February 18, 2008 Out of those i dont think Eagle, Lappin or either Jarvis will be with us.... Camara is still only a loan but imo is better the drury so would like to see him sign on and give depth in that position..So we would need to give us a smallish but workable squad....2x Centre Halfs (Taylor or Gabbidon and a young loan/prospect?)2x centre Mid (Lee Johnson/Commons/Bowyer/Doyle)1x Winger (Stelios/Bell??????)2x Strikers (Any of Ameobi/Eastwood/Carroll/Zamora/Evans/Sibierski/Porter/Mclean etc) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
InLambertWeTrust! 0 Posted February 18, 2008 [quote user="cityangel"][quote user="we8wba"] if loans go back, hucks dublin leave/retire your left withgoalies - marshall, gilksdefenders - shackell, drury, ostemphor, doherty, r.jarvis, lappinmidfielders - croft, chadwick, fotheringham, russell, pattison, eagle, spillane, strikers - cureton, martin, renton, [/quote] You''ve missed Cave Brown (defender) Camara( think he''s staying) one of the Jarvis brothers, Ryan is a striker and Rossi is a midfielder, Bally Smart( midfielder) plus its Ostemober not Ostemphor!![/quote]Come on CA give him a little credit he has managed to work out how to post on a message board even though hes from wolverhampton. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kick it off 1,948 Posted February 18, 2008 Ac[quote user="cityangel"][quote user="we8wba"]if loans go back, hucks dublin leave/retire your left withgoalies - marshall, gilksdefenders - shackell, drury, ostemphor, doherty, r.jarvis, lappinmidfielders - croft, chadwick, fotheringham, russell, pattison, eagle, spillane, strikers - cureton, martin, renton, [/quote] You''ve missed Cave Brown (defender) Camara( think he''s staying) one of the Jarvis brothers, Ryan is a striker and Rossi is a midfielder, Bally Smart( midfielder) plus its Ostemober not Ostemphor!![/quote]Actually CA, its Otsemobor. :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lucky green trainers 0 Posted February 18, 2008 russell''s red card is out of character - i''d say underneath he''s unsettled - possibly cos he''s attracting attention from bigger clubs. if so, we''ll sell - in the current inflated market - he''d go for £1m - £1.25m. unless we have serious dosh to compete with the relegated and sugardadied clubs in this league, of which there are now plenty - roedys strategy will be to identify free''s and loanees. we need a striker to take us forward, cos young martin and hucks saved us last year from the drop, and chedders has done the same for us this year - he''s only a young boy and played above his years, but he could easily have flopped at his age - and imagine where we''d be then??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barry Brockes 147 Posted February 18, 2008 So, who are the cast-iron sure-fire starters in the team for the first game of next season from the present squad if they haven''t moved on: Marsh, Semi, Shacks, Doc, Dreary and Rusty? Are they of sufficient quality to enable us to go for a top two finish? It leaves us mighty thin in other areas and in desperate need of two quality strikers plus at least one midfielder and a winger who can chip in with ten goals each. Sorry but Fozzy and Crofty won''t do that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mello Yello 2,289 Posted February 18, 2008 We''ll probably inherit a percentage of Kings Lynn''s cast-offs.......No rising stars in our current squad (apart from a certain loan from Sven) and the rest of the present squad are at best quite average - to be perfectly honest.....I await with curiosity - on what is to occur during the close-season and the coming and goings, of not only the playing squad......but some ''other areas'' of NCFC..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1st Wizard 0 Posted February 18, 2008 Goalkeeper - Marshall, Gilks, Arnold - Blessed in this department, Marshall is one of best in the league and Gilks is able cover with Arnold being third choice, no problem here!Right Back - Otsemobor, Cave Brown, Velasco?! - Otsemobor is a good attacking right back in this league and is fine defensively, if Velasco stays then he will provide good competition and also maybe a more able defensive option, Cave Brown again being a good third choice and should get a few gamesCentre Back - Doherty, Shackell - Definately one area that needs strengthening, Pearce will not be staying, so we need two more cb, preferably Taylor with one other on loan or lower league player on the cheapLeft Back - Drury, Lappin, Camara?! - Plenty of depth if Camara stays with him pushing Drury for a start and Lappin, if he stays providing back up although not entirely convinced he wont want to move back up northRight Midfield - Croft, Chadwick, Smart - Able cover in this position with Smart who will get his chance, Croft and Chadwick are two good champ standard for this league and will be fighting for the starting placeCentre Midfield - Russell, Fozzie, Pattison, Spillane - Good cover in this area with Spillane and Pattison will keep Russell and Fozzie on their toes, with who on their day are one of the better cm combinations in the leagueLeft Midfield - Eagle, Pattison?! - If a cm is brought in then only one lm is needed to compete with Pattison, however if Pattison is needed in the centre then a first choice like Commons or Hoolahan is needed with a year long loan, perhaps someone like Gibbs for the season to see what he can doCentre Forward - Cureton, Martin, Renton, - None are particularly prolific with Cureton hugely disappointing this season, if Evans is brought in permanently he will get us around 15 goals a season and would need to be paired with a bigger striker who will create goals as well as getting them, someone like Ameobi would be perfect, however Eastwood or Paterson would be more likely although not that bigSo all in all it would look at bringing in 8 playersVelasco - FreeCamara - FreeTaylor - 750 000Ramage/ Bates - LoanHoolahan/ Commons - 500 000Gibbs - LoanEvans - 1 millionPaterson - 1 millionSo in total 3.25 million Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
we8wba 0 Posted February 18, 2008 although we have our differences poor man earnshaw - i like the look of possible midfieldershollahan will cost more 1m now though, commons will be on free i believe but if he signs new deal will cost around 1.5m reportatedly what they told wolves in janthink if evans go norwich need target man striker, dont know who out there but they need that sort playeralso maclean may leave p''boro if they fail for promotion, he says he wants to stay but lets face it money talks. left back i dont think you go know wrong than williams of scunthorpe, especially if they go downpaterson - also be available if they go downcentre backs - loan say mancienne of chelsea or hobbs of liverpoolpersonally those 5 or 6 would do the jobquality over quanity Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stevie Wonder 0 Posted February 18, 2008 Sadly we are looking like be in a similar position to last summer when Grant had a big rebuilding job to do.We could need as many as 10 new players (more if some are better players move on). History tells you that maybe only half of all signings are successful, although hopefully Roeder will have a better strike rate than poor old Grant.Personally, we could do with getting another 10 points asap and then giving the likes of Spillane, Martin, Cave-Brown, Eagle, Renton & Smart a few games to see if any of them can make the step up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Starr 519 Posted February 19, 2008 Without doubt, we''ll see a flux of new loanees arrive next season... but while i''m sure Manchester City will bend over backwards to offer us pretty much most of their youngsters I hope Arsenal don''t snub us following the unsuccessful Gibbs loan... it''s crucial that Gibbs ends on a high with us. We need to back the lad... it could open up opportunities next season and completely change our season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
we8wba 0 Posted February 19, 2008 if these loaness dont sign perm, then next year could be considered another re-building season for norwich where midtable is expected anything more is a bonuswith the mancity loans, if they were to sign another striker or that bulgarian chap bojilnov comes back fit then maybe sturridge could be a possibilty. maybe a bit long shot but if they keep having strikers a guy his quality wont want to stay in reserves as he getting impatient Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mariner 0 Posted February 19, 2008 Is there an attempt at humour here - or just gratutitous rudeness? We obviously have a big re-building job to do but I don''t think this sort of comment contributes anything, except cynicism and an attempt to disparage people who will obviously do their very best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SWP = Poor Mans Ruel Fox!! 0 Posted February 19, 2008 [quote user="Michael Starr"]Without doubt, we''ll see a flux of new loanees arrive next season... but while i''m sure Manchester City will bend over backwards to offer us pretty much most of their youngsters I hope Arsenal don''t snub us following the unsuccessful Gibbs loan... it''s crucial that Gibbs ends on a high with us. We need to back the lad... it could open up opportunities next season and completely change our season.[/quote]Hope you are not trying to say that the Gibbs loan is unsuccessful already? As you say give the lad a chance, its is first shot at first team football and Wenger rates him highly. I think you will find some more Arsenal players here next season, Wenger and Roeder obviously have a common respect for each other and that is not going to change even if Gibbs fails to impress for the rest of this season. Personally I wouldnt be surprised if Gibbs is here for the whole of next season too! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norwichtaff 0 Posted February 19, 2008 If they''re looking for a big centre forward, Sam Vokes of Bournemouth would fit the bill. Only 18, the club are in administration, Crewe had a 200K bid accepted but turned down by the player, so wouldn''t cost much. He also plays alongside Ched at under 21 level. Know he''s young but the average age of that team (under 21s) is 18 years 2 months so he''s a bit of an old timer. Then it would be a case of trying to prise Ched away from Man City at as cheap a price as you could get. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Lamberts Disciple 0 Posted February 19, 2008 [quote user="Stevie Wonder"]Grant had a big rebuilding job to do.[/quote]If only he''d used bricks instead of Flumps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syteanric 1 Posted February 19, 2008 Velasco is only here on a short term deal.. 3 months.. its low risk for us and him.. if it works out we offer him a contract.. if it doesnt he goes back to being a free agent... Camara will sign permanently...as will Henry (mark my words.. Roeder Rates him!!!)we need a Centerback, Left winger and 2 strikers...jas :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sam 0 Posted February 20, 2008 For next season with all the loaness going back etc, Norwich will need, A couple of full backs, a couple of centre backs, A central midfielder, a winger and 2 strikers, leaving something like this.Marshall and GilksOtsemobor, Doherty, Shackell and Drury (add the full backs and centre halves)Croft, Chadwick, Fotheringham, Russell, Pattison, Spillane, Lappin (add the central midfielder and left winger)Cureton and MartinFor the full backs i am guessing Camara could be signed permanantly, need cover for Otsemobor at RB. The centre halves are anyone''s guess, but Norwich will need 1 at least, if not 2. The right hand side should be covered with Croft and Chadwick, but Russell and Fotheringham will need cover other than Pattison and the Left hand side will only have Lappin, who isn''t good enough and will proably be sold, plus the fact that Bertrand is going back and it looks like Huckerby is leaving, it leaves this side bare. The only recognised strikers left will be Cureton and Martin, with Evans returining to Man City and Dublin retiring, will need at least 2 more. In total i reckon Norwich will need another 6 or 7 players next season to make a promotion push, quality as well not just quantity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Delias Tasty Nibblets 0 Posted February 20, 2008 we8wba, you make the point about a big rebuilding job, but its the same job that Mcarthy made last year on a budget, it is possible,so forgive a little optimism, but I trust Roeders transfers and contacts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
we8wba 0 Posted February 20, 2008 [quote user="Delias Tasty Nibblets"]we8wba, you make the point about a big rebuilding job, but its the same job that Mcarthy made last year on a budget, it is possible,so forgive a little optimism, but I trust Roeders transfers and contacts.[/quote]Indeed delias you do make valid point, my point was mainly next year will be re-building year again for norwich if this was the case, wolves had to do it and got somewhat fortunate in getting in playoffs after we was thinking more relegation battlebut then look at us this year. my main point is its silly for norwich fans to come out and say we have to do this next we have to get in playoffs etc... you will be very much in re-building process Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adam_Newcastle_Fan 0 Posted February 20, 2008 [quote user="Boba Fett"]Out of those i dont think Eagle, Lappin or either Jarvis will be with us.... Camara is still only a loan but imo is better the drury so would like to see him sign on and give depth in that position..So we would need to give us a smallish but workable squad....2x Centre Halfs (Taylor or Gabbidon and a young loan/prospect?)2x centre Mid (Lee Johnson/Commons/Bowyer/Doyle)1x Winger (Stelios/Bell??????)2x Strikers (Any of Ameobi/Eastwood/Carroll/Zamora/Evans/Sibierski/Porter/Mclean etc)[/quote]Gabbidon/Bowyer/Stelios/Ameobi/Zamora/SibierskyYour living in a dream world mate if you think Norwich can attract these sorts of playersWhat a joke Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sam 0 Posted February 21, 2008 Correct Adam, as proved with the Ameobi fiasco earlier in the season, cos he was ever going to come to Norwich, same with Taylor and Zamora. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites