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I really admire Wenger and have always had a very big soft spot for Arsenal but I think Wenger''s got it wrong today.  He''s the first to point the finger of guilt, yet when his players are at fault, he does not take any accountability.  I can only assume Wenger''s said what he''s said in the heat and anger of the moment.

I haven''t seen the challenge but from everything I''ve heard on radio phone-ins tonight it sounds like a genuine mistake on Taylor''s part - which concurs with everything we know of him.

I really hope Wenger comes out and retracts his comments tomorrow - Taylor''s going to feel bad enough abouts Eduardo without Wenger upping the ante with such ridiculous comments.

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cant see why this isnt in taylor birmingham start thread

all i say is all managers like this

rafa beneitz said mazerrattzi deserved to be sent off for two offences, im sure if that was a liverpool player he be livid

sir alex ferguson is the same

all managers are to be honest, i think it was dirty tackle and this one was worse in my opinion but i dont think the intent was there when in eboues maybe it was

 

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[quote user="Attack Barclay 2nd Half FFS"]
You know what.... shove your forum. I doubt you''ll miss my positive pro board comments and info. You can all drown in your moaning self pity.
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If that is your attitude then I doubt you''ll be missed.

How long before he comes back [:P]

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[quote user="Gloucester canary"]

Now I think it is fairly obvious this was a very bad challenge from Taylor, badly mistimed but hard to believe it was intentional.

Wengers comments on Taylor never playing the game again is ridiculous.  Eboue''s red card last week looked far more intentional, yet Wenger quickly forgets this. 

He thinks everyone is out to get Arsenal and his troops are squeeky clean. 

Anyway more importantly lets hope Eduardo can recover quickly and fully.

  

 

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If it was a member of your family/team/troops that had just had their career ended by a lunging tackle, and in the immediate aftermath of the game, I would very much imagine you would say something similar. It wouldn''t be human if you weren''t distraught.

Heat of the moment comment.

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[quote user="Attack Barclay 2nd Half FFS"][quote user="tHeBrOKeNSeAT"]

 

Then that''s supposed to be the parents job to make sure they heed those warnings.

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You''ve got no kids obviously. Oh that life were that simple. SHould parents add Pinkun message board to Net Nanny

Get real. The fact that Archant condone such a link just because - quote from Mod ".....there are many other ways of finding material
on the Web" is incredibly naive. Seems they wouldn''t mind links to hard core porn being posted then because its easy to find elsewhere.

Utterly ridiculous. When will people find the nuts to make a stand.

You know what.... shove your forum. I doubt you''ll miss my positive pro board comments and info. You can all drown in your moaning self pity.

Bye
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Oh boo-hoo. Go and live in North Korea then if you want everything to be censored.

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[quote user="paint_me_yellow"]

Can you believe some of the prats on youtube are leaving comments saying "Martin should go to prison for assault". Seriously, what are these people on? Makes Arsene Whinger sound easy-going in comparison.

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http://arseblog.com/columns/2008/02/23/liar-mcleish-scumbag-taylor/

Just read some of the comments from Arsenal fans on there...pathetic or what. This sort of thing has happened before and will happen again - yet they make it sound as if they are deliberately being targeted. Pathetic. Who do they think they are? (and the same goes for you Wenger, you''ve lost some respect today even if your comments were in the heat of the moment)

All the same, I also wish Eduardo a complete, fast recovery.

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Oh and by the way, added to my last post, this line is also on that Arsenal site from ''James'':

"Too many talentless thugs like him are ruining what’s left of English football."

Comedy gold!

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We need some good strong tacklers, lets hope we sign him in the summer! Him and Pearce would be a good partnership!

Wenger is so over the top!

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Wenger calling for Taylor never to be allowed to play again is an absolute joke. Yes, the damage was horrific but accidents happen and there was clearly no intention in Taylor''s tackle so calling for him to be banned and saying he should be ashamed is a load of rubbish. During the time we had Taylor 25 000 people could see he was not a malicious player. He himself is distraught so people need to get off his back and stop making him look like a player we all know he isn''t.

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Wenger over react what are you talking about, Taylor virtually snapped his leg in two it was a disgraceful tackle, Wenger was right with his post match comments, Taylor should be banned for a very long time he could and maybe has ended Eduardo''s career or at the very least hampered it greatly he was shaping out to be a world class striker if he wasn''t that already in the Premier League and if he comes back and reaches the potential he has I would be very surprised.

Get well soon Eduardo

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[quote user="Web Team - Pete"]Wenger has now, quite rightly, withdrawn his comments regarding Taylor.[/quote]

noticed this on motd tonight, well done wenger in coming out early and withdrawing the comments, he mainly went on the lines saying i said the comments straight after the match in the heat of the moment etc...

if he wouldnt withdrawn comments would been national debate in papers all week i would think

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I am a massive Arsene Wenger fan and respect his vsion and values in playing football the right way however the heat of the moment obviously got the better of him. Glad he retracted his statement as Taylor is clearly not a malicious player and the tackle was just extremly badly timed (understatement!!!)

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[quote user="Metzdrag"]

blimey

just seen that tackle... it lookd pretty bad

Acoording to Arse wenger taylor shouldnt be allowed to play football anymore....

 

[/quote]Let''s not blow this out of proportion like every single other Arsenal fan seems the need to.Taylor wasn''t moving fast, infact i think it was a still challenge. He went for the ball and eduardo just got a touch to it, taking it away from Taylor and resulting in studs to shin.It''s a very ''freak'' challenge in my opinion. A Poor challenge by a big defender; slow, sloppy, mistimed, whatever. But all this hype is ridiculous. The exact same tackle could happen in a non-league game next week and the player would be straight back on his feet and simply have a couple of cuts down his leg from the studs.

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[quote user="Web Team - Pete"]Wenger has now, quite rightly, withdrawn his comments regarding Taylor.[/quote]

noticed this on motd tonight, well done wenger in coming out early and withdrawing the comments, he mainly went on the lines saying i said the comments straight after the match in the heat of the moment etc...

if he wouldnt withdrawn comments would been national debate in papers all week i would think

[/quote]No offence we8wba but you do say some funny things. YES it was an horrendous injury, YES I''m sure emotions were running high, but Wenger is an experienced professional, and his comments were nothing short of irresponsible. What really gets me is that he clearly hadn''t watched the incident properly, as he went on to retract his comments later, yet still saw fit to condemn Taylor to every reporter he saw. Hardly a spur of the moment comment if you repeat it numerous times. I''m surprised you can praise Wenger given his normal petulance in post-match interviews...Anyway was the tackle even as brutal as some are trying to make out? This is simply one of those awful freak incidents that happens in a contact sport, and all we can do is hope that Eduardo can come back from injury. Yes Taylor was late, and clumsy, but I''ve seen far worse tackles with more intent week in, week out.Best wishes to Eduardo, his ankle looked absolutely terrible on MOTD - fingers crossed it looked worse than it was.

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I actually suffered a challenge very similar to this in the summer....I was playing Right Back, not my preferred position, but the ball came through the middle, about 30yards from our goal, in the middle of the pitch. Me and the opposition midfielder both went for it, he slid in, i was running for it, i got there a second before him and flicked it over him as he slid, but he took my standing leg. People on the sidelines claimed to have heard a snap although i cannot verify this. No intent but i totally blew my knee, i ended up in hospital, and it took 6months before i was playing football again.I think I was lucky that i was hit head-on in hindsight, if i was side on, it could have easily been an injury similar to this, there was no intent but it was a horrible tackle to be on the recieving end of.Good luck to Eduardo and I really hope he makes a full recovery. It is a horrific accident, and whilst after review, I do not believe Taylor intended it, it was truly awful and he should be banned for at least 6 games imo.

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[quote user="Attack Barclay 2nd Half FFS"]You know what.... shove your forum. I doubt you''ll miss my positive pro

board comments and info. You can all drown in your moaning self pity.[/quote]What I like best is that this utterly ridiculous, pre menstrual rant also invalidates all your previous contributions here.Don''t let the door hit you on your way out.

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[quote user="I. Shurmer"][quote user="we8wba"]

[quote user="Web Team - Pete"]Wenger has now, quite rightly, withdrawn his comments regarding Taylor.[/quote]

noticed this on motd tonight, well done wenger in coming out early and withdrawing the comments, he mainly went on the lines saying i said the comments straight after the match in the heat of the moment etc...

if he wouldnt withdrawn comments would been national debate in papers all week i would think

[/quote]No offence we8wba but you do say some funny things. YES it was an horrendous injury, YES I''m sure emotions were running high, but Wenger is an experienced professional, and his comments were nothing short of irresponsible. What really gets me is that he clearly hadn''t watched the incident properly, as he went on to retract his comments later, yet still saw fit to condemn Taylor to every reporter he saw. Hardly a spur of the moment comment if you repeat it numerous times. I''m surprised you can praise Wenger given his normal petulance in post-match interviews...Anyway was the tackle even as brutal as some are trying to make out? This is simply one of those awful freak incidents that happens in a contact sport, and all we can do is hope that Eduardo can come back from injury. Yes Taylor was late, and clumsy, but I''ve seen far worse tackles with more intent week in, week out.Best wishes to Eduardo, his ankle looked absolutely terrible on MOTD - fingers crossed it looked worse than it was.[/quote]Wenger, like his team, were in shock. Its never a nice thing to witness. I can accept Wenger coming out and appologising - you can''t knock someone for coming out and saying that maybe they were wrong / over the top.The challenge itself was innocent enough - I have seen and been on the receiving end of worse. Infact Taylors challenge wasn''t even that high - it was above the ankle by about 6". Its just one of those things, sometimes you get waste high flying kicks which result in no injury and others you get small seemingly harmless tackles that result in severe injuries.There was some guy on Radio 5 banging on about the players who cause the injury to be suspended as long as the player that is out - but that''s rediculous. Players have been injured by challenges that are perfectly legal because they have fallen heavily etc. Would you punish a player because of this?In all fairness I even think a red card for this challenge could be seen to be harsh - I have seen much worse given yellow!But at the end of the day people should forget everything and just remember that footballers are lucky to get whatever chance they do get to be paid highly for the beautiful game. Eduardo will be paid every minute that he is recuperating - most other proffessions don''t guarantee this. My thoughts go out to Eduardo and a full recovery, as quickly as is humanly possible.

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Well this is the end of Taylor then. Just think, he''ll have this incident in the back of his mind every single time he steps foot on a football pitch from now on and you just cannot compete at the highest level with any kind of doubt or hesitation. I feel for the guy, I doubt he meant to cause so much damage but it did happen and it''s going to affect him for the rest of his career.

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Was it really as bad as people are making out?  If it wouldn''t have broken his leg like it did, most people would''ve said that it was a bad challenge, possibly a booking.  I''ve seen it a few times now.  He went in with 1 foot, not 2.  His foot wasn''t over the top of the ball as you can tell by the break being just above the ankle, but not by a lot.  He was clearly looking at, and going for the ball.  He didn''t go in overly hard either, the only bad thing about it was his studs were showing.  When I 1st saw the tackle live, I thought it was an innocuous challenge, which also the Arsenal players thought.  When there is normally a bad challenge, you usually get the entire Arsenal team kicking off with opposition players and then surrounding the ref.  Neither of those 2 things happened.

We''ve all seen a lot worse challenges, and probably some of you has them happened on you or possibly even done a few in matches.  He didn''t  shoot anyone or deliberately go out to maim anyone, so he should be left alone for this one.

I feel sorry for Eduardo, and hope him a speedy recovery.  Any break like that could take some time to heal, thats if it does totally.

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"Well this is the end of Taylor then. Just think, he''ll have this incident in the back of his mind every single time he steps foot on a football pitch from now on and you just cannot compete at the highest level with any kind of doubt or hesitation. I feel for the guy, I doubt he meant to cause so much damage but it did happen and it''s going to affect him for the rest of his career."

That was one of my first reactions. Any slightly bad tackle will be greeted with boos from the crowds, some sarcastic comments from some of the opposition. Shame cause hes obviously a cracking guy. Lets hope it wont affect him (Or affect him a bit, and comes to Norwich to clear his mind!)

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A sense of perspective is needed in all this - and fair play to Wenger this is exactly what he provided later yesterday evening in his statement below:

"I feel that my comments about Martin Taylor were excessive. I said what I did in the heat of the moment.  It was a highly emotional afternoon and we were all shocked by the injury."

This was a truly sickening injury which even if it does not end the guy''s career must surely prevent him from ever being the same standard of player again.  The tackle was however merely poorly timed and the result of a big committed player trying to get the ball off a smaller, quicker much more skillful one and in the process being beaten by a wonderfully timed flick.  I have watched it on the web and TV and I dont see it as a deliberate attempt to injure - it was not a two-footed lunge the likes of which we have seen too much of lately.

Wenger is for my money the best manager in the country who has produced teams that play wonderful football that at times are a joy to watch.  What this tells me is that he also feels passionately about his players and their well being.  In a state of shock after the game he made some hasty comments which on reflection he has been man enough to accept were excessive and frankly plain wrong.

He has gone up further in my estimation for having the decency to come out so quickly and clearly in accepting this was the case.  Well done Arsene and lets all hope the injury is not going to ruin an otherwise very promising career.

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I think Wenger''s comments were a disgrace, although I believe he has since retracted them to a certain extent. We had enough of an opportunity to see Tiny play for us to know that he is not a dirty or malicious player. the tackle was late and high, due to the speed of Eduardo. I can well imagine how distraught Tiny will be without Wenger making it worse.

The irony is that is we had bid another quarter mill or Birmingham had accepted the offer made then Tiny would not have been playing in that game. Also is Gallas going stark staring bonkers?

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Sigh, I''m feeling more and more sorry for taylor as this "saga" goes on. It only takes a couple of idiots and bad journalists to start a national hate campaign.

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[quote user="Attack Barclay 2nd Half FFS"]

You know what.... shove your forum. I doubt you''ll miss my positive pro board comments and info. You can all drown in your moaning self pity.

Bye
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Goodbye and good riddance.

No doubt you''ll be back soon................I was![:D]

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[quote user="Fellas"]Sigh, I''m feeling more and more sorry for taylor as this "saga" goes on. It only takes a couple of idiots and bad journalists to start a national hate campaign.[/quote]These things are easy sensationalism and duly get exploited by the News-Rags. Martin Taylor will be a household name within a week. As you say, let''s hope it''s not as a ''Ben Thatcher'' hate figure.

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[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]
I must admit after recent comments from Arsenal fans I have never heard such a bunch of self righteous pillocks.  I hope they lose in every tournament they play in this season, just for their ''fans''.
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Couldn''t agree with you more!

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