Referee - Mr Singh

[Mister Chops 7]

[quote user="nolegs"]

have you lot on here totally lost the plot ?

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I find your user name totally offensive.

 

[InLambertWeTrust! 0]

I found it quite funny actually[6]

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[quote user="John Boubepo"]

Well like I said I don''t live in Australia but I''m pretty sure when Captain James Cook arrived some 250 years ago the aboriginal tribes didn''t have any jobs, unless you count throwing  bent sticks at  hairy nosed Wombats of course!

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Says it all.

[John Boubepo 0]

Well

like I said I don''t live in Australia but I''m pretty sure when Captain

James Cook arrived some 250 years ago the aboriginal tribes didn''t have

any jobs, unless you count throwing  bent sticks at  hairy nosed

Wombats of course!

Says it all.

So which minority group are you supporting now Mcdougall, the unemployed 17/18th century aboriginies or the wombats? 

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[quote user="John Boubepo"]
Well like I said I don''t live in Australia but I''m pretty sure when Captain James Cook arrived some 250 years ago the aboriginal tribes didn''t have any jobs, unless you count throwing  bent sticks at  hairy nosed Wombats of course!

Says it all.

So which minority group are you supporting now Mcdougall, the unemployed 17/18th century aboriginies or the wombats? 

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Perhaps I''m sympathising with current day aboriginal Australians who have to put up with the likes of you laughing about the decimation of their culture and then being told by you (and your sort) that they should accept Christian morals and European culture or get out of their own country.

And actually, if you don''t understand the hypocracy in that, perhaps I sympathise with you too. [;)]  

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[quote user="nolegs"]

have you lot on here totally lost the plot ?

 

now i remember why i don''t post on here very often !!??

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It would appear as though I did yesterday, doesn''t it. [:)] Apologies, everybody has bad days!

[John Boubepo 0]

John Boubepo wrote:

Well like I said I don''t live in Australia but I''m pretty sure when Captain James Cook arrived some 250 years ago the aboriginal tribes didn''t have any jobs, unless you count throwing  bent sticks at  hairy nosed Wombats of course! Says it all. So which minority group are you supporting now Mcdougall, the unemployed 17/18th century aboriginies or the wombats?

Perhaps I''m sympathising with current day aboriginal Australians who

have to put up with the likes of you laughing about the decimation of

their culture and then being told by you (and your sort) that they

should accept Christian morals and European culture or get out of their

own country.

And actually, if you don''t understand the hypocracy in that, perhaps I sympathise with you too.  

So when did John Howard say to his fellow Australian aborigines they have to accept Christian Morals and European Culture or get out? I think once again that was your little twist on the argument.

Also I wasn''t laughing at the decimation of their culture [another little twist there by you] I was actually laughing at your comment that you thought aboriginies had jobs back in 1750, and the idea that Captain James Cook somehow put thousands of didgeridoo makers on the dole! it may surprise you but they didn''t even have clothes back then, I''m sure most of them, if not all of them, [as they are very ancestrally aware] would also see the funny side of your remark.

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

John, I suggest you read ''English Passengers'' by Matthew Kneale.

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[quote user="John Boubepo"]

John Boubepo wrote:

Well like I said I don''t live in Australia but I''m pretty sure when Captain James Cook arrived some 250 years ago the aboriginal tribes didn''t have any jobs, unless you count throwing  bent sticks at  hairy nosed Wombats of course! Says it all. So which minority group are you supporting now Mcdougall, the unemployed 17/18th century aboriginies or the wombats?

Perhaps I''m sympathising with current day aboriginal Australians who have to put up with the likes of you laughing about the decimation of their culture and then being told by you (and your sort) that they should accept Christian morals and European culture or get out of their own country.

And actually, if you don''t understand the hypocracy in that, perhaps I sympathise with you too.  

So when did John Howard say to his fellow Australian aborigines they have to accept Christian Morals and European Culture or get out? I think once again that was your little twist on the argument.

Also I wasn''t laughing at the decimation of their culture [another little twist there by you] I was actually laughing at your comment that you thought aboriginies had jobs back in 1750, and the idea that Captain James Cook somehow put thousands of didgeridoo makers on the dole! it may surprise you but they didn''t even have clothes back then, I''m sure most of them, if not all of them, [as they are very ancestrally aware] would also see the funny side of your remark.

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sigh.....If you really don''t get it - I wasn''t genuinely suggesting that colonists literally put them out of work in our contemporary sense, I was trying to draw an analogy between what we did in the C18th and what people are now complaining about re our culture being under threat from ''invaders'' - and hence highlighting the hypocracy of your argument.

And yes, I am quite aware of how ancestrally aware they are - in fact, that was my point.

And as you correctly state - clothes are the ultimate signifier of civilisation, so we obviously had every right to steal their country, resources and culture from them if they couldn''t even work that one out - and that''s irony too - in case you don''t get it.

For some reason, I''m finding your tag line more and more insightful by the day. [:D]

  

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

It has almost nothing to do with Mr. Singh I suspect but here is an analogy of ''English Passengers.''

BTW, the best piece of literature I have read in the last few years and highly amusing in many places.

English Passengers presents the diverse and often conflicting perspectives of a remarkable cast of characters--including British convicts, government officials, missionaries who impose their European standards and self-serving rules on the native population, aboriginal Tasmanians caught in a desperate struggle for survival, and members of a bizarre expedition searching for the Garden of Eden. The narrative begins in 1857, as Captain Illiam Quillian Kewley of the Sincerity, thwarted in his plans to smuggle tobacco and brandy into England, is forced to put his boat up for charter. He soon finds himself bound for the Pacific, carrying not only his well-hidden contraband but also the Reverend Geoffrey Wilson, an eccentric vicar out to prove that the Biblical Garden of Eden lies in the heart of Tasmania; Dr. Thomas Potter, an arrogant scientist developing a revolutionary and sinister theory about the races of mankind; and Timothy Renshaw, a diffident young botanist. Each man offers a highly personalized record of the high seas adventures and internecine feuds that mark the voyage.

The situation that awaits them in Tasmania is brought to life in narratives exposing the dark history of British and aboriginal relationships since the 1820s. Peevay, the son of an Aborigine raped by an escaped convict, describes the subjugation of his people by English invaders who are as lethal in their good intentions as they are in their cruelty. His impressions, ironically confirmed by reports from white officials, schoolteachers, and settlers, chronicle the destruction of a thriving, self-sufficient community in the name of God, science, and "civilization."

Based on historical facts, English Passengers is an epic tale, packed with swashbuckling adventure, humor, and memorable characters. Matthew Kneale renders the prejudices and follies of the Imperialist Age with dead-on accuracy and captures--through the voice and destiny of Peevay and his tribesmen--the irreversible tragedies it wrought

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Captain Illiam Quillian Kewley of the Sincerity

 

Was he a ref ? If so was he any good ?

[John Boubepo 0]

John Boubepo wrote:

John Boubepo wrote: Well like I said I don''t live in Australia but I''m pretty sure when Captain James Cook arrived some 250 years ago the aboriginal tribes didn''t have any jobs, unless you count throwing  bent sticks at  hairy nosed Wombats of course! Says it all. So which minority group are you supporting now Mcdougall, the unemployed 17/18th century aboriginies or the wombats?  Perhaps I''m sympathising with current day aboriginal Australians who have to put up with the likes of you laughing about the decimation of their culture and then being told by you (and your sort) that they should accept Christian morals and European culture or get out of their own country. And actually, if you don''t understand the hypocracy in that, perhaps I sympathise with you too. " src="../emoticons/emotion-5.gif">  So when did John Howard say to his fellow Australian aborigines they have to accept Christian Morals and European Culture or get out? I think once again that was your little twist on the argument. Also I wasn''t laughing at the decimation of their culture [another little twist there by you] I was actually laughing at your comment that you thought aboriginies had jobs back in 1750, and the idea that Captain James Cook somehow put thousands of didgeridoo makers on the dole! it may surprise you but they didn''t even have clothes back then, I''m sure most of them, if not all of them, [as they are very ancestrally aware] would also see the funny side of your remark.

sigh.....If you really don''t get it - I wasn''t genuinely suggesting that colonists literally put them out of work in our contemporary sense, I was trying to draw an analogy between what we did in the C18th and what people are now complaining about re our culture being under threat from ''invaders'' - and hence highlighting the hypocracy of your argument.

And yes, I am quite aware of how ancestrally aware they are - in fact, that was my point.

And as you correctly state - clothes are the ultimate signifier of civilisation, so we obviously had every right to steal their country, resources and culture from them if they couldn''t even work that one out - and that''s irony too - in case you don''t get it.

For some reason, I''m finding your tag line more and more insightful by the day.

So what is your argument - you suggest a culture was decimated [your words] by invaders, mainly because the aborigines weren''t advanced enough to defend what was rightfully theirs, for this reason you are critical of the invaders, yet you are also critical of  modern day Australians because they are advanced to defend their culture against unwanted invaders, so it would seem, your twisting of events, statements and history has brought us back a full circle?

I would also suggest there isn''t a human being standing, who isn''t living on pre-conquered land by a stronger mored advanced race, that''s the way mankind has evolved and advanced, your own house is standing on ancient tribal land, so where do you draw the line?

The fact is, Britain is deteriorating and as a country has become a less safe place to live, I would love to invite you to my country so you can see for yourself the difference a strong immigration policy works and how different peoples [the ones allowed in] live and work in harmony - but then our immigration regulations would probably filter you out as a PC extremist and would have you sent back to Britain before your sandals hit the tarmac lol

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[quote user="nolegs"]

have you lot on here totally lost the plot ?

 

now i remember why i don''t post on here very often !!??

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Looks like it........but you have to take your hat off to them

 

[macdougalls perm 0]

Yes that is a great book, Rude Old!

[John Boubepo 0]

[quote user="RUDOLPH HUCKER"]John, I suggest you read ''English Passengers'' by Matthew Kneale.[/quote]Did they ever catch that loose Wombat aboard the ship?

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[quote user="John Boubepo"]Macdougall, I can answer your question with one word and one example - AustraliaMuslims

who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of

Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential

terror attacks. Separately,

Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy

agencies monitoring the nation''s mosques. Quote: ''IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS,

MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about

whether we are offending some individual or their culture.. Since the terrorist

attacks on Bali

, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.''

 

''This

culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories

by millions of men and women who have sought freedom''

''We

speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian,

or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society .

Learn the language!''

''Most

Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political

push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles,

founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate

to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest

you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of

our culture.''

''We

will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you

accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.''

''This

is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every

opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and

griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I

highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,

''THE

RIGHT TO LEAVE''.''

''If

you aren''t happy here then LEAVE. We didn''t force you to come here. You asked to

be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'' All very simple really!!!! but then I don''t live in your country, I live in a country where it''s safe for my children to play out of sight, where my wife can walk safely at night, I never lock my door even if I''m away for the day, we don''t have any religious fanatics planning to bomb us, or organized Eastern European/African criminal gangs trying to rob us, ok you could say the same about some parts of sleepy Norfolk but the truth is, Britain [and I visit London and Nottingham as well as Norfolk when in the UK] is deteriorating in terms of safety, my country has a strict rule on immigration yours has a slack one, do I need to explain more?psSorry about the big text thats the way it pasted [/quote]John, this was a politician on his last legs desperately trying to gain support from anywhere, and therefore going a populist route. He lost the election. Australia is a country with huge levels of immigration, from all over the world. It always has been and always will be. You aren''t chosing a great example. Recent huge levels of immigration from Asia haven''t been popular in some quarters, but these things never are in some quarters. The reality is, Australia needs immigration now just as it always has done. Also Christian church attendance are about as low over here as in the UK.The only country I know where people say that they are 100% safe, and their kids and wife etc are also 100% safe, is Dubai. Also a country filled with immigrants.  Where do you live?