and now the reality....

[Syteanric 1]

so January has gone out on a whimper... its now time to face the stark reality of the situation.

the board have stated categorically in the past that all transfer funds would be available to the manager to strengthen the team.

 In the summer we sold Etuhu, Safri and Earnshaw.... Peter Grant, according to the media, made attempts to sign Iwelumo, Varney and Sharpe... the money was not spent. instead we got Murray, Strihavka and Brellier... 2 of those were free... the fee for Strihavka was a low amount of money...

Peter Grant had the rug pulled out from under him... i dont care what anyone on here says. Remember Hucks voicing his fears at key players being sold and quality not being drafted in? this is somethign that Peter Grant Echoed but which Neil Doncaster took Hucks to task over privately.

Despite the board telling us there was Money available this was not spent... Was it down to Peter Grant being a poor manager? or was his hand forced? that night at QPR Grant played the players he had been forced to sign rather than the ones who, if the boat had been pushed out, we perhaps could of signed.

 Grant Left, Roeder came in... the board stated again that funds would be released for players.... we got in loan signings... some hope was raised that we could make them permanent.

early January we signed Matty Pattison for a fee beleieved to be 800,000 in some circles. we then sold Lewis, Brown and released a host of players... we should therefore, according to the mantra of the board, have had a fortune to spend on team strengthening given the players sold in the summer...

 Im of the opinion that this is B**ocks! the reason we sold Lewis with such a hefty sell on clause was because we spent money we didnt have to sign Pattison... this is just my opinion. Brown was sold to keep the wolves from the door.. again my opinion. although he was a decent option to sell and we got  a good price.

 we signed a host of loan players... 2 of which will be sitting in the stands watching the game every week as League rules state they cant play... are we paying their premiership wages for them to sit watching? id hazard a guess as to yes.

 Neil Doncaster has mentioned that the club had a 7 milllion pound shortfall.. coupled together with the fact that we no longer have the parachute payments... we can no longer afford to bring in the players we want to acheive success.

 True, if the loan players do wel we might try and sign some of them.. but then the better they do the more they shop window themselves.. their value is going to rocket, and the in the case of Bates and the 2 reading lads they all have realistic chances of breaking into their own clubs first team should they do well here.. Gilbert will command a huge fee purely because he plays for Arsenal... Same with Bertrand and Chelsea. We could however probably get Mohammed Camara for free... Evans wont sign permanently... so lets not get excited about that one.. the more he scores the more he ups his transfer fee....

Im pleased roeder took positive steps with the loan players but the reality is they all have to go back to their clubs in the end.... had we of had any transfer money we could perhaps have signed the Reading players and Bates whilst they were still "unknowns" on the cheap.. 3 players added to the squad at a small outlay... but we havent.

 as for a Striker.. Strikers score goals... as Dave Stringer said on the Scrimmage last night Goals cost money... if we were going to get Paterson, Zamora or Ameobi then it would of been down to some shrewd negotiating to try and find a price. We cant offer money that we dont have with no one to sell on to generate an outlay to cover the cost.

 as for Taylor, Birmingham wanted 1 million pounds 3 weeks ago....we could of upped our bid then waited to see what happened. but we didnt.. again this is purely because with the lost revenue from the parachute payments and the shortfall its too high a financial outlay...  No one on this message board would buy a £9000 car if they only had £10 in the bank would they? the same principal applies at Carrow road.

 Taylor is ona  contract at Birmingham City.. a Contract we could of paid off 3 weeks ago.. the only reason Birmingham rejected Coventrys bid is because it was nearly deadline Day.. Karren Brady isnt stupid, she knew full well that if we wanted Taylor and she waited out long enough that if we had the money we would of upped our bid and got him. She knew that other parties (Eg Coventry) were interested, but i think she also knew that we dont have the funds for Tiny.. Accepting Coventrys offer would of been good business for Birmingham.. but not half as good as playing 2 teams off against each other to see who pulls out of the bidding first meaning someone paid over the odds for Tiny...

 Ok so the Brum keep hold of him.. Cover for the rest of the season... come the summer the whole thing will begin again.. and we still wont be any better off financially.

 So.. what now? do we seek investment? do we offload half the squad in the hope of rasing funds for the summer?

 when your at Carrow Road tommorow take a look around, look at the hotel, the Re furbished office, the Travel Agents, the car dealers, Restuants and other business the board have invested their money in... then groan and Criticise Jamie cureton as he baloons another easy chance over the bar.. no doubt some of you will turn to the person next door and say "he''s Rubbish... why didnt we get a striker!" the truth is staring you right in the face.... Off the field activities and 2 1 million pound scoreboards...

 wheres all the money gone? if u find out let me know...

 

jas :)

 

[Arthur Whittle 0]

[quote user="jas the barclay king"]

so January has gone out on a whimper... its now time to face the stark reality of the situation.

the board have stated categorically in the past that all transfer funds would be available to the manager to strengthen the team.

 In the summer we sold Etuhu, Safri and Earnshaw.... Peter Grant, according to the media, made attempts to sign Iwelumo, Varney and Sharpe... the money was not spent. instead we got Murray, Strihavka and Brellier... 2 of those were free... the fee for Strihavka was a low amount of money...

Peter Grant had the rug pulled out from under him... i dont care what anyone on here says. Remember Hucks voicing his fears at key players being sold and quality not being drafted in? this is somethign that Peter Grant Echoed but which Neil Doncaster took Hucks to task over privately.

Despite the board telling us there was Money available this was not spent... Was it down to Peter Grant being a poor manager? or was his hand forced? that night at QPR Grant played the players he had been forced to sign rather than the ones who, if the boat had been pushed out, we perhaps could of signed.

 Grant Left, Roeder came in... the board stated again that funds would be released for players.... we got in loan signings... some hope was raised that we could make them permanent.

early January we signed Matty Pattison for a fee beleieved to be 800,000 in some circles. we then sold Lewis, Brown and released a host of players... we should therefore, according to the mantra of the board, have had a fortune to spend on team strengthening given the players sold in the summer...

 Im of the opinion that this is B**ocks! the reason we sold Lewis with such a hefty sell on clause was because we spent money we didnt have to sign Pattison... this is just my opinion. Brown was sold to keep the wolves from the door.. again my opinion. although he was a decent option to sell and we got  a good price.

 we signed a host of loan players... 2 of which will be sitting in the stands watching the game every week as League rules state they cant play... are we paying their premiership wages for them to sit watching? id hazard a guess as to yes.

 Neil Doncaster has mentioned that the club had a 7 milllion pound shortfall.. coupled together with the fact that we no longer have the parachute payments... we can no longer afford to bring in the players we want to acheive success.

 True, if the loan players do wel we might try and sign some of them.. but then the better they do the more they shop window themselves.. their value is going to rocket, and the in the case of Bates and the 2 reading lads they all have realistic chances of breaking into their own clubs first team should they do well here.. Gilbert will command a huge fee purely because he plays for Arsenal... Same with Bertrand and Chelsea. We could however probably get Mohammed Camara for free... Evans wont sign permanently... so lets not get excited about that one.. the more he scores the more he ups his transfer fee....

Im pleased roeder took positive steps with the loan players but the reality is they all have to go back to their clubs in the end.... had we of had any transfer money we could perhaps have signed the Reading players and Bates whilst they were still "unknowns" on the cheap.. 3 players added to the squad at a small outlay... but we havent.

 as for a Striker.. Strikers score goals... as Dave Stringer said on the Scrimmage last night Goals cost money... if we were going to get Paterson, Zamora or Ameobi then it would of been down to some shrewd negotiating to try and find a price. We cant offer money that we dont have with no one to sell on to generate an outlay to cover the cost.

 as for Taylor, Birmingham wanted 1 million pounds 3 weeks ago....we could of upped our bid then waited to see what happened. but we didnt.. again this is purely because with the lost revenue from the parachute payments and the shortfall its too high a financial outlay...  No one on this message board would buy a £9000 car if they only had £10 in the bank would they? the same principal applies at Carrow road.

 Taylor is ona  contract at Birmingham City.. a Contract we could of paid off 3 weeks ago.. the only reason Birmingham rejected Coventrys bid is because it was nearly deadline Day.. Karren Brady isnt stupid, she knew full well that if we wanted Taylor and she waited out long enough that if we had the money we would of upped our bid and got him. She knew that other parties (Eg Coventry) were interested, but i think she also knew that we dont have the funds for Tiny.. Accepting Coventrys offer would of been good business for Birmingham.. but not half as good as playing 2 teams off against each other to see who pulls out of the bidding first meaning someone paid over the odds for Tiny...

 Ok so the Brum keep hold of him.. Cover for the rest of the season... come the summer the whole thing will begin again.. and we still wont be any better off financially.

 So.. what now? do we seek investment? do we offload half the squad in the hope of rasing funds for the summer?

 when your at Carrow Road tommorow take a look around, look at the hotel, the Re furbished office, the Travel Agents, the car dealers, Restuants and other business the board have invested their money in... then groan and Criticise Jamie cureton as he baloons another easy chance over the bar.. no doubt some of you will turn to the person next door and say "he''s Rubbish... why didnt we get a striker!" the truth is staring you right in the face.... Off the field activities and 2 1 million pound scoreboards...

 wheres all the money gone? if u find out let me know...

 

jas :)

 

[/quote]

Two words Jas....SPOT ON!

[Joanna Grey 0]

[quote user="jas the barclay king"]

so January has gone out on a whimper... its now time to face the stark reality of the situation.

the board have stated categorically in the past that all transfer funds would be available to the manager to strengthen the team.

 In the summer we sold Etuhu, Safri and Earnshaw.... Peter Grant, according to the media, made attempts to sign Iwelumo, Varney and Sharpe... the money was not spent. instead we got Murray, Strihavka and Brellier... 2 of those were free... the fee for Strihavka was a low amount of money...

Peter Grant had the rug pulled out from under him... i dont care what anyone on here says. Remember Hucks voicing his fears at key players being sold and quality not being drafted in? this is somethign that Peter Grant Echoed but which Neil Doncaster took Hucks to task over privately.

Despite the board telling us there was Money available this was not spent... Was it down to Peter Grant being a poor manager? or was his hand forced? that night at QPR Grant played the players he had been forced to sign rather than the ones who, if the boat had been pushed out, we perhaps could of signed.

 Grant Left, Roeder came in... the board stated again that funds would be released for players.... we got in loan signings... some hope was raised that we could make them permanent.

early January we signed Matty Pattison for a fee beleieved to be 800,000 in some circles. we then sold Lewis, Brown and released a host of players... we should therefore, according to the mantra of the board, have had a fortune to spend on team strengthening given the players sold in the summer...

 Im of the opinion that this is B**ocks! the reason we sold Lewis with such a hefty sell on clause was because we spent money we didnt have to sign Pattison... this is just my opinion. Brown was sold to keep the wolves from the door.. again my opinion. although he was a decent option to sell and we got  a good price.

 we signed a host of loan players... 2 of which will be sitting in the stands watching the game every week as League rules state they cant play... are we paying their premiership wages for them to sit watching? id hazard a guess as to yes.

 Neil Doncaster has mentioned that the club had a 7 milllion pound shortfall.. coupled together with the fact that we no longer have the parachute payments... we can no longer afford to bring in the players we want to acheive success.

 True, if the loan players do wel we might try and sign some of them.. but then the better they do the more they shop window themselves.. their value is going to rocket, and the in the case of Bates and the 2 reading lads they all have realistic chances of breaking into their own clubs first team should they do well here.. Gilbert will command a huge fee purely because he plays for Arsenal... Same with Bertrand and Chelsea. We could however probably get Mohammed Camara for free... Evans wont sign permanently... so lets not get excited about that one.. the more he scores the more he ups his transfer fee....

Im pleased roeder took positive steps with the loan players but the reality is they all have to go back to their clubs in the end.... had we of had any transfer money we could perhaps have signed the Reading players and Bates whilst they were still "unknowns" on the cheap.. 3 players added to the squad at a small outlay... but we havent.

 as for a Striker.. Strikers score goals... as Dave Stringer said on the Scrimmage last night Goals cost money... if we were going to get Paterson, Zamora or Ameobi then it would of been down to some shrewd negotiating to try and find a price. We cant offer money that we dont have with no one to sell on to generate an outlay to cover the cost.

 as for Taylor, Birmingham wanted 1 million pounds 3 weeks ago....we could of upped our bid then waited to see what happened. but we didnt.. again this is purely because with the lost revenue from the parachute payments and the shortfall its too high a financial outlay...  No one on this message board would buy a £9000 car if they only had £10 in the bank would they? the same principal applies at Carrow road.

 Taylor is ona  contract at Birmingham City.. a Contract we could of paid off 3 weeks ago.. the only reason Birmingham rejected Coventrys bid is because it was nearly deadline Day.. Karren Brady isnt stupid, she knew full well that if we wanted Taylor and she waited out long enough that if we had the money we would of upped our bid and got him. She knew that other parties (Eg Coventry) were interested, but i think she also knew that we dont have the funds for Tiny.. Accepting Coventrys offer would of been good business for Birmingham.. but not half as good as playing 2 teams off against each other to see who pulls out of the bidding first meaning someone paid over the odds for Tiny...

 Ok so the Brum keep hold of him.. Cover for the rest of the season... come the summer the whole thing will begin again.. and we still wont be any better off financially.

 So.. what now? do we seek investment? do we offload half the squad in the hope of rasing funds for the summer?

 when your at Carrow Road tommorow take a look around, look at the hotel, the Re furbished office, the Travel Agents, the car dealers, Restuants and other business the board have invested their money in... then groan and Criticise Jamie cureton as he baloons another easy chance over the bar.. no doubt some of you will turn to the person next door and say "he''s Rubbish... why didnt we get a striker!" the truth is staring you right in the face.... Off the field activities and 2 1 million pound scoreboards...

 wheres all the money gone? if u find out let me know...

 

jas :)

 

[/quote]

Two words jas - Pure conjecture.

[McCanary 0]

Two more words....Your opinion!!

 

Whilst everyone  (including me) is entitled to an opinion on this, I`m getting a bit tired of speculation being presented as fact.

[Yella_Forever 0]

[quote user="jas the barclay king"]

so January has gone out on a whimper... its now time to face the stark reality of the situation.

the board have stated categorically in the past that all transfer funds would be available to the manager to strengthen the team.

 In the summer we sold Etuhu, Safri and Earnshaw.... Peter Grant, according to the media, made attempts to sign Iwelumo, Varney and Sharpe... the money was not spent. instead we got Murray, Strihavka and Brellier... 2 of those were free... the fee for Strihavka was a low amount of money...

Peter Grant had the rug pulled out from under him... i dont care what anyone on here says. Remember Hucks voicing his fears at key players being sold and quality not being drafted in? this is somethign that Peter Grant Echoed but which Neil Doncaster took Hucks to task over privately.

Despite the board telling us there was Money available this was not spent... Was it down to Peter Grant being a poor manager? or was his hand forced? that night at QPR Grant played the players he had been forced to sign rather than the ones who, if the boat had been pushed out, we perhaps could of signed.

 Grant Left, Roeder came in... the board stated again that funds would be released for players.... we got in loan signings... some hope was raised that we could make them permanent.

early January we signed Matty Pattison for a fee beleieved to be 800,000 in some circles. we then sold Lewis, Brown and released a host of players... we should therefore, according to the mantra of the board, have had a fortune to spend on team strengthening given the players sold in the summer...

 Im of the opinion that this is B**ocks! the reason we sold Lewis with such a hefty sell on clause was because we spent money we didnt have to sign Pattison... this is just my opinion. Brown was sold to keep the wolves from the door.. again my opinion. although he was a decent option to sell and we got  a good price.

 we signed a host of loan players... 2 of which will be sitting in the stands watching the game every week as League rules state they cant play... are we paying their premiership wages for them to sit watching? id hazard a guess as to yes.

 Neil Doncaster has mentioned that the club had a 7 milllion pound shortfall.. coupled together with the fact that we no longer have the parachute payments... we can no longer afford to bring in the players we want to acheive success.

 True, if the loan players do wel we might try and sign some of them.. but then the better they do the more they shop window themselves.. their value is going to rocket, and the in the case of Bates and the 2 reading lads they all have realistic chances of breaking into their own clubs first team should they do well here.. Gilbert will command a huge fee purely because he plays for Arsenal... Same with Bertrand and Chelsea. We could however probably get Mohammed Camara for free... Evans wont sign permanently... so lets not get excited about that one.. the more he scores the more he ups his transfer fee....

Im pleased roeder took positive steps with the loan players but the reality is they all have to go back to their clubs in the end.... had we of had any transfer money we could perhaps have signed the Reading players and Bates whilst they were still "unknowns" on the cheap.. 3 players added to the squad at a small outlay... but we havent.

 as for a Striker.. Strikers score goals... as Dave Stringer said on the Scrimmage last night Goals cost money... if we were going to get Paterson, Zamora or Ameobi then it would of been down to some shrewd negotiating to try and find a price. We cant offer money that we dont have with no one to sell on to generate an outlay to cover the cost.

 as for Taylor, Birmingham wanted 1 million pounds 3 weeks ago....we could of upped our bid then waited to see what happened. but we didnt.. again this is purely because with the lost revenue from the parachute payments and the shortfall its too high a financial outlay...  No one on this message board would buy a £9000 car if they only had £10 in the bank would they? the same principal applies at Carrow road.

 Taylor is ona  contract at Birmingham City.. a Contract we could of paid off 3 weeks ago.. the only reason Birmingham rejected Coventrys bid is because it was nearly deadline Day.. Karren Brady isnt stupid, she knew full well that if we wanted Taylor and she waited out long enough that if we had the money we would of upped our bid and got him. She knew that other parties (Eg Coventry) were interested, but i think she also knew that we dont have the funds for Tiny.. Accepting Coventrys offer would of been good business for Birmingham.. but not half as good as playing 2 teams off against each other to see who pulls out of the bidding first meaning someone paid over the odds for Tiny...

 Ok so the Brum keep hold of him.. Cover for the rest of the season... come the summer the whole thing will begin again.. and we still wont be any better off financially.

 So.. what now? do we seek investment? do we offload half the squad in the hope of rasing funds for the summer?

 when your at Carrow Road tommorow take a look around, look at the hotel, the Re furbished office, the Travel Agents, the car dealers, Restuants and other business the board have invested their money in... then groan and Criticise Jamie cureton as he baloons another easy chance over the bar.. no doubt some of you will turn to the person next door and say "he''s Rubbish... why didnt we get a striker!" the truth is staring you right in the face.... Off the field activities and 2 1 million pound scoreboards...

 wheres all the money gone? if u find out let me know...

 

jas :)

 

[/quote]

 

if u find out jas let me know 2... this is becoming an office joke around my office amonst some other teams fans... and frankly im sick of it!!!

[Arthur Whittle 0]

 

So you admit its likely to be true? See this is the thing with the Delia lovers, deep down i think you all know the score yet for some pathetically sentimental reason you just cant face it and doing so you are all to blame for the slow demise of a once proud club.....Stick your bloody ''''one big family club'''' image up your backsides and give me quality football and a winning side again any day!

[judderman 0]

[quote user="Arthur Whittle"]

 

So you admit its likely to be true? See this is the thing with the Delia lovers, deep down i think you all know the score yet for some pathetically sentimental reason you just cant face it and doing so you are all to blame for the slow demise of a once proud club.....Stick your bloody ''''one big family club'''' image up your backsides and give me quality football and a winning side again any day!

[/quote]not been paying much attention to the pitch since roeder took over have we?

[Tumbleweed 106]

.............except that nobody has contemplated the possibility that maybe Taylor is waiting for his contract to end at Brum in the summer and then he is a complete free agent? No-one knows what conversations may have been held, and should Roeder really risk £1m on a player to get him 5 months early?

Also, unless I have made a gross mistake, GR has taken us from 6 points adrift to 5 points clear with what we already have, and that had his reign so far been extrapolated over the saeson so far we would be in a pretty healthy position. Frankly that suggests to me that GR does have what he needs at his disposal to survive this year and is merely supplementing with loanees in order to provide cover for injuries etc.

I would also imagine he is targetting the less surreal time in the summer to make some permanent moves when contracts may have expired, clubs not so desperate, valuations more sensible and no games to prepare for. Next season our and his expactations will be a lot higher.

But hey, lets all be hysterical because no transfer money has been spent.

 

[Graham Humphrey 13]

[quote user="McCanary"]

Two more words....Your opinion!!

[/quote]

To be fair he did say "in his opinion" several times in that post.

And please guys, there''s no need to quote a massive post like that, it takes ages to scroll down and looks messy.

[Syteanric 1]

not according to the annnual accounts  from the club bunny...

 

jas :)

[blahblahblah 2]

[quote user="Arthur Whittle"]

 

So you admit its likely to be true? See this is the thing with the Delia lovers, deep down i think you all know the score yet for some pathetically sentimental reason you just cant face it and doing so you are all to blame for the slow demise of a once proud club.....Stick your bloody ''''one big family club'''' image up your backsides and give me quality football and a winning side again any day!

[/quote]Er, Arthur - 10 games without defeat, 5 wins and 5 draws.  Do pay attention, there''s a good boy.

[ricardo 7,333]

You are dead right JAS but too many on here can''t see the wood for the trees. We let it be known we are making big bids for players but somehow we never land them and end up with loans or cheap options.

For NCFC transfer windows are money making events. You have to hand it to them, nobody believed that we could make a profit this time but looking at the figures it seems we''ve pocketed another half million.

I can''t help thinking how different this would all be if Glen had not pulled off a near miracle since his arrival.

The board have obviously breathed a collective sigh of relief. The tummult has been silenced and 20,000 season ticket holders have been conned again.

Unfortunately most of them won''t realise it until after they have coughed up for a renewal. I have to include myself in that number as I really believed they would be forced to change their attitude to investment in the playing side.

[nutty nigel 7,506]

[quote user="Arthur Whittle"]

 

for the slow demise of a once proud club.....Stick your bloody ''''one big family club'''' image up your backsides and give me quality football and a winning side again any day!

[/quote]

How does 10 games unbeaten and our climb up the table fit in with this demise. Despite all the discontent on here the FOOTBALL club is moving forward while some fans are stuck in the past. The manager has shipped out the players he doesn''t want and replaced them with players he believes have the desire to keep the club moving forward. Maybe some of these players will be back next season too. If you had asked me a month ago I wouldn''t have believed so much could be achieved in one month in these times and surely that''s credit to the club.

January has been more than just players out and players in. January has seen us remain unbeaten with 8 points from 12 including 7/9 away from home. I have seen quality football from a winning side. So you can stick your bloody "club in demise" image up your backside! Why do some of you posters never put FOOTBALL first?

 

[Hackney Canary 0]

"Stick your bloody ''''one big family club'''' image up your backsides and give me quality football and a winning side again any day!"

Because of course it''s that simple...

[Graham Humphrey 13]

[quote user="Tumbleweed"]

.............except that nobody has contemplated the possibility that maybe Taylor is waiting for his contract to end at Brum in the summer and then he is a complete free agent?[/quote]

He''s not a free agent in the summer - he signed a three (or four) year contract last April.

[The Judge 0]

[quote user="McCanary"]

Two more words....Your opinion!!

 

Whilst everyone  (including me) is entitled to an opinion on this, I`m getting a bit tired of speculation being presented as fact.

[/quote]

Agree McCanary - but this speculation is just a valid as that from posters who say money is available and will be spent in the summer.

Howver as I have said on another thread, recent history suggests this speculation is more accurate than some would like to believe.

[Hairy Canary 667]

Good post Jas but I''m afraid its complete conjecture. To show you what I mean I''ll have a go at conjecture but coming from a differnt direction.

Roeder comes in and looks at our squad and our legue possition. He works out that the over-riding aim for this season is to avoid relegation, which was quite frankly going to be a hell of a task. If he could achieve that then, and only then, will he be able to build for something more possitive. The first thing he did was to kick out the crap, and there was plenty of that to get shot of. From memory 7 players have left permanantly and two others are on loan, surely the last chance saloon for them. Then to replace the numbers and to build competition for places he has brought in loan players in all the right possitions so that we now have at least two players fighting for every shirt. We will avoid relegation with some ease with this strategy in my opinion. In the summer the loanees will return leaving us with the permanent players that Roeder felt were worth keeping. Huckerby will leave and there will be loads of scope to add to the squad with freed up wages, a more attrative club free of relegation worries, a close season to wheel and deal in without the sharks that inhabit the January window and the cash that was not spent in this window. Roeder will add his new players plus a couple of season long loans, Drury and Chadwick will be fit and we will have a squad ready for a good challenge.

It''s a long term thing. So far Roeder has shown fantastic judgement in all that he has done and turned us around from absolute odds-on for relegation to one of the top three teams on current form and I for one am happy to let him get on with the job.

 

[chxboy 0]

You really can''t disagree with what Jas is saying. The fact is we have not bought anyone & as such we have shown yet again we have no ambition ( or money?).

How can signing players on loan help us build a team? Most of them aren''t for sale & come the end of the season they will be going back to their Premier league clubs anyway. So are we becoming some kind of feeder club? Jas is right, if these load players do play well they could end up going somewhere else anyway. Have we got the funds to keep them? I doubt it.

So what could we end up with - nothing. The summer comes & we have to start all over again.And we will have an even smaller squad because Hucks & Dion will both be gone.Why are we waiting to start the rebuilding then? Sure the rubbish has been shipped out but we still have plenty of football to play this season - haven''t we? Can we really expect GR to make 6 or more signings in the summer when we haven''t made one during Jan?

I for one am struggling to understand where our club is going.

 

[Temp the Revelator 0]

Only one real fault with your argument Jas - nobody here knows whether that money is STILL available or not.  It could be that Roeder chose not to spend it during this window, after all, it''s not unheard of for clubs not to psend in January, just ask Alex Ferguson - we simply don''t know.  I would guess that the summer window will start to answer those questions.

[McCanary 0]

[quote user="Graham Humphrey"][quote user="McCanary"]

Two more words....Your opinion!!

[/quote]

To be fair he did say "in his opinion" several times in that post.

[/quote]

That is the point. Merely expressing an opinion does not make it a fact.

[Coelho 0]

[quote user="Arthur Whittle"]

 

So you admit its likely to be true? See this is the thing with the Delia lovers, deep down i think you all know the score yet for some pathetically sentimental reason you just cant face it and doing so you are all to blame for the slow demise of a once proud club.....Stick your bloody ''''one big family club'''' image up your backsides and give me quality football and a winning side again any day!

[/quote]Ten games unbeaten, football improving all the time... and who appointed Glenn Roeder?The thing is, Arthur, you and your like seem to assume that anyone who isn''t absolutely disgusted with the current board is a ''Delia lover'', whereas in reality there is a wide spectrum of opinions among our fanbase. I think the current board have focused far too heavily on off-pitch activity, to the detriment of the playing side, and I would welcome fresh investment and new board members. But because I''m not prepared to stand outside the City Stand with a pitchfork shouting ''Delia Out!'', I guess that makes me a Delia lover? Your oversimplification of the complex views of thousands of fans on a wide variety of areas of a many-faced football club is laughable, to be fair.Cue the dismissive one-liner – beats reasoned debate any day, eh?

[3canaries 0]

http://norwichcity.myfootballwriter.com/full_article.asp?i=2590&w=25&a=0&part=1

I think we do have the money, GR tabled £1m for Taylor and £850k for Patterson, so yes we do have the money.....

[Andy Larkin 15]

Read it all, digest!!

The move on. Roeder certainly has…

FFS if this doesn''t shut all you moaners up then nothing will!!!!!!!

http://norwichcity.myfootballwriter.com/full_article.asp?i=2590&w=25&a=0∂=0

[Tumbleweed 106]

Glad that nutty nigel and hairy canary also see how much has been achieved without spending big money so far (except for Pattison). We don''t know what GR''s strategy is and he won''t make it public. I guess based on evidence so far in the three short months he has been here is that he is a man we should have faith in. I like the sound of the Arsenal lad- looking forward to seeing him play.

Cheers Graham- I thought that Taylor was free this summer, my mistake on that.

[macdougalls perm 0]

[quote user="Arthur Whittle"]

 

See this is the thing with the Delia lovers, deep down i think you all know the score yet for some pathetically sentimental reason you just cant face it and doing so you are all to blame for the slow demise of a once proud club.....Stick your bloody ''''one big family club'''' image up your backsides and give me quality football and a winning side again any day!

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Is this you valiantly and selflessly defending everybody''s right to free speech again, then Arthur? You are a true gentleman. [:D]

[scrumpycanary 0]

This is just an opinion, but if Roeder bought players & they turned out to be turkeys then we''re stuck with them.  IF the loan players keep us up or even into the play-offs then it''s good business.  I''m not unhappy with the loanees, I''ve seen Gibbs play a couple of times & he looks a quality player.   I think the board & Roeder are playing it safe & seeing what happens between now & the end of the season, the loanees are going to play out of their skins to prove they can play first team football & that can only benefit us.

I don''t see the point in moaning at the board at the moment, I think they have the right man for the job, our recent run of results proves that.  Let''s look forward not moan about what''s gone on.

[ricardo 7,333]

[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Arthur Whittle"]

 

for the slow demise of a once proud club.....Stick your bloody ''''one big family club'''' image up your backsides and give me quality football and a winning side again any day!

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How does 10 games unbeaten and our climb up the table fit in with this demise. Despite all the discontent on here the FOOTBALL club is moving forward while some fans are stuck in the past. The manager has shipped out the players he doesn''t want and replaced them with players he believes have the desire to keep the club moving forward. Maybe some of these players will be back next season too. If you had asked me a month ago I wouldn''t have believed so much could be achieved in one month in these times and surely that''s credit to the club.

January has been more than just players out and players in. January has seen us remain unbeaten with 8 points from 12 including 7/9 away from home. I have seen quality football from a winning side. So you can stick your bloody "club in demise" image up your backside! Why do some of you posters never put FOOTBALL first?

 

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Sorry Nutty but this unbeaten run has just hidden the reality of the situation. It has got the board through a bad patch at just the right time to boost the season ticket renewals and allowed them to make a profit rather than an investment out of the playing side.

I''m all for Glen building a good team of youngsters but truth is they won''t be our youngsters.

Are you really happy that we have become a shop window for other clubs young talent or are you hiding the disappointment that most of us older supporters feel.

We deserve better than this and if we are to ever rise again we need a board with both money and ambition.

[Mello Yello 2,273]

[quote user="McCanary"]

Two more words....Your opinion!!

 

Whilst everyone  (including me) is entitled to an opinion on this, I`m getting a bit tired of speculation being presented as fact.

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What exactly, are your opinionated and speculative ''facts'' then?

[Joanna Grey 0]

[quote user="andy larkin"]Read it all, digest!! The move on. Roeder certainly has… FFS if this doesn''t shut all you moaners up then nothing will!!!!!!! http://norwichcity.myfootballwriter.com/full_article.asp?i=2590&w=25&a=0∂=0     [/quote]

 

There''s no chance of them shutting up - they prefer thier own brand of "facts" to the real truth.

[McCanary 0]

[quote user="Mello Yello"][quote user="McCanary"]

Two more words....Your opinion!!

 

Whilst everyone  (including me) is entitled to an opinion on this, I`m getting a bit tired of speculation being presented as fact.

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What exactly, are your opinionated and speculative ''facts'' then?

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It`s not me who is presenting opinions and speculative facts. All I am stating is that others are!!