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Are fans ruining our chances of getting a top quality manager? Thats what ive just read on a footy website. There was a vote and its conclusion is that managers are being put off by over expectant fans and the idea that no matter who gets the job, they will be slated for anything they do!

 

as I say - these arent my words before anyone kicks off with me - but it makes you think.

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[quote user="Loomis9301"]

Are fans ruining our chances of getting a top quality manager? Thats what ive just read on a footy website. There was a vote and its conclusion is that managers are being put off by over expectant fans and the idea that no matter who gets the job, they will be slated for anything they do!

 

as I say - these arent my words before anyone kicks off with me - but it makes you think.

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I dont think they are your words mate, more like The cook or Neils!!

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The fans don''t play for Norwich, they just support em, so any potential manager being put off by the fans is probably not worth his name in salt.

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[quote user="Loomis9301"]

Are fans ruining our chances of getting a top quality manager? Thats what ive just read on a footy website. There was a vote and its conclusion is that managers are being put off by over expectant fans and the idea that no matter who gets the job, they will be slated for anything they do!

 

as I say - these arent my words before anyone kicks off with me - but it makes you think.

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Interesting but I''d say that every club has over expectant fans and the whole point of supporting a football team is hoping they will win every game.  I think for the money Managers get paid for a job they love they have to put up with the slating, after all most/all are rewarded financially whether they succeed or fail.

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No it''s the inept performances at the Club both on and off the field that is ruining our chance of getting anyone ranked higher than "Assistant" Coach at another team to manage our once proud club. To blame the fans smacks of clutching at straws.

Take the recent Megson appointment at Bolton.

Exactly what percentage of fans were opposed to him? 98.7%

Didn''t stop relegation specialist Megson signing on the dotted line did it?

It''s what goes in the bank each month that matters and how much money they''ll get to play with. No more no less and that is down to the Board not the fans.

Haven''t you yet worked out the club don''t give a flying monkeys about the fan except once a year when the season ticket renewal lands on the doorstep?

 

Disclaimer. The word inept has been used since it was so prevalent in the reports of National Journalists describing theNorwich performance at the Baggies match. Their word not mine. ;-)

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[quote user="Loomis9301"]

Are fans ruining our chances of getting a top quality manager? Thats what ive just read on a footy website. There was a vote and its conclusion is that managers are being put off by over expectant fans and the idea that no matter who gets the job, they will be slated for anything they do!

 

as I say - these arent my words before anyone kicks off with me - but it makes you think.

[/quote]So expecting us to avoid relegation from the 2nd tier of football is over expectant? [:O]Dearyy me.

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Whoever said it may have a point. Over the last 2/3 years we have actively cheered opposition goals on at least 2 occasions (QPR & Burnley). We have booed several of our players when there name is read out or cheered when they are substituted - Robinson, Hughes, Etuhu, Thorne Doc & Brown have all suffered these disgraceful actions (no matter how bad a player is, they should never be booed when wearing the yellow & green shirt). We don''t sing any more. The moment we concede a goal we are on the players back. We absolutely must have a scapegoat player to blame everything thing on. I hear one fan abusing Murray when he was stupidly moved to left back by Duffy against Bristol - Murray was told to give his shirt to someone in the crowd. People are even turning on Hux who just 6 months agao saved us from relegation almost single handed and was voted player of the year. Now because his formed as dipped (don''t forget he missed all pre-season and has an ongoing hip problem) and he has dared to voice concerns about us selling our best players he is getting slated by all and sundry - ridiculous.

Yes a lot as gone wrong over the last 3 years but we, the fans, don''t help things. I can''t imagine playing at Carrow Road has been a great experience for our players for much of that period. Whatever our issues with the board (and lets be honest there are many of those) we shouldn''t let it effect our support for the 11 players on the pitch representing OUR team. Now more than ever they need our 100% committed support.

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Mr wonder you see what many do not!

your vision should lead those that have sinned to a new light !

to those that have released the ball in hast, in fear of the wrath of the ignorent  masses should be redemed

those the ignorent  masses should hang there heads in shame

and now repent for what they instilled to the people of this fine city

 

 

 

ps   im p****** and my spellings s****

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I agree with you 100% Stevie Wonder , this Sunday has to be a turning point for us the fans and turn up the noise . We need to be the twelve man more than ever now.Ok so we may have some second rate players, but if we are going to get out of this predicament then lets get off their backs and give them some confindence from the stands.where has all the noise gone from the Snakepit and lower Barclay,we have intimidated teams in the past and we can do it now.Not by whinging and whining,if we are going down then lets go down fighting.Remember the season we went up as champions Palace were bottom at Christmas and still won the playoffs,did their fans whinge yes but what support on the stands.LETS STUFF THE BINNERS.

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we did not cheer QPR or Burnleys goals.. there was mock cheering when Burnley won at Carrow Road as they were celebrating like they had won the champions league... the fans in the barclay were taking the p*ss out of their celebrating by mocking them bac...

jas :)

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[quote user="Stevie Wonder"]

Whoever said it may have a point. Over the last 2/3 years we have actively cheered opposition goals on at least 2 occasions (QPR & Burnley). We have booed several of our players when there name is read out or cheered when they are substituted - Robinson, Hughes, Etuhu, Thorne Doc & Brown have all suffered these disgraceful actions (no matter how bad a player is, they should never be booed when wearing the yellow & green shirt). We don''t sing any more. The moment we concede a goal we are on the players back. We absolutely must have a scapegoat player to blame everything thing on. I hear one fan abusing Murray when he was stupidly moved to left back by Duffy against Bristol - Murray was told to give his shirt to someone in the crowd. People are even turning on Hux who just 6 months agao saved us from relegation almost single handed and was voted player of the year. Now because his formed as dipped (don''t forget he missed all pre-season and has an ongoing hip problem) and he has dared to voice concerns about us selling our best players he is getting slated by all and sundry - ridiculous.

Yes a lot as gone wrong over the last 3 years but we, the fans, don''t help things. I can''t imagine playing at Carrow Road has been a great experience for our players for much of that period. Whatever our issues with the board (and lets be honest there are many of those) we shouldn''t let it effect our support for the 11 players on the pitch representing OUR team. Now more than ever they need our 100% committed support.

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That''s probably one of the most sensible posts on here for ages. Yes, fans have every right to express their opinions, but there really is a time and a place and that''s after the final whistle of the game.

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Whoever said it may have a point. Over the last 2/3 years we have actively cheered opposition goals on at least 2 occasions (QPR & Burnley). We have booed several of our players when there name is read out or cheered when they are substituted - Robinson, Hughes, Etuhu, Thorne Doc & Brown have all suffered these disgraceful actions (no matter how bad a player is, they should never be booed when wearing the yellow & green shirt). We don''t sing any more. The moment we concede a goal we are on the players back. We absolutely must have a scapegoat player to blame everything thing on. I hear one fan abusing Murray when he was stupidly moved to left back by Duffy against Bristol - Murray was told to give his shirt to someone in the crowd. People are even turning on Hux who just 6 months agao saved us from relegation almost single handed and was voted player of the year. Now because his formed as dipped (don''t forget he missed all pre-season and has an ongoing hip problem) and he has dared to voice concerns about us selling our best players he is getting slated by all and sundry - ridiculous.

Yes a lot as gone wrong over the last 3 years but we, the fans, don''t help things. I can''t imagine playing at Carrow Road has been a great experience for our players for much of that period. Whatever our issues with the board (and lets be honest there are many of those) we shouldn''t let it effect our support for the 11 players on the pitch representing OUR team. Now more than ever they need our 100% committed support.

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I don''t boo our players nor did I cheer opposition goals at the game you mentioned BUT I cannot blame (even partially) those who did for somehow playing a part in our demise.  You named two games where some fans cheered opposition goals but this is now our 4th season of playng poor football.  How much can people be expected to take?

No-one sings?  What is there to sing about?  It is 10 games since we last won and 5 games since we managed to get a point. Despite all the we are 2nd in the attendance figures!  What more do the club want, maybe we should save shots and score goals.

Quite frankly I am fed up with things being the fans fault.  It''s not our fault we signed a striker in the prem 6 months too late.  It''s not our fault that Worthington only found out his best side with 8 games to go in the Prem.  The fans put in a great showing at Fulham away, frankly had the players matched that we would have stayed up.  It''s not the fans fault that since relegation more money has been made in transfers out than transfers in.  We have seen a gradual downgrading of players season on season.  I fail to see how capacity attendances have caused.

Lastly, the players do need our support however this is a two way thing.  We need to cheer, they need to give us something to cheer.  I am sure however they go home, look at their wage slip and cry into it in the knowledge that I could not muster a rendition of OTBC after watching yet another inept performance and loss.

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[quote user="Graham Humphrey"]Yep because as usual, it''s the fans'' fault.[/quote]

Were the only people blameless in this farce. FFS stop blaming the supporters. .  

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We the supporters are not ruining anything. The board are the only ones responsible for this complete fiasco. I know we cannot change them and they appear to be not interested in what the fans feel. I know that many fans will say that Huckerby is just as responsible as the rest of the players but he spoke out long ago and if you look at what he said after the WBA game nothing has changed in three months. We have a number of poor players who would be seen to be poor in all Championship teams. Thats not Huckerbys fault it is ultimately the boards fault. Parkinson is still this morning the hot tip in London because no one with any true credentials will now touch the job thats not the fans fault it is the board because outside of the city we have become the laughing stock of football thats why Huckerby is upset and truely annoyed at what the board have done.

Darren Huckerby could put the lid on his playing career next summer after admitting he cannot face the prospect of playing for a losing team.

The two-time Canaries Player of the Season has rarely taken a back seat at Carrow Road in the last four years, but events over recent months have clearly heightened his frustration.

The loss of big-name players during the summer triggered criticism, but it is managerless City''s current plight which could prove to be the straw which breaks his back.

Huckerby signed a new one-year deal last December, which takes to the end of this season, but while he says he will honour that contract, there are no guarantees he will sign another.

“I don''t know,” said Huckerby after Saturday''s 2-0 defeat West Brom. “Whatever happens I don''t want to leave like this, but I am not going to be playing week in, week out for a team that loses every week, simple as that.

“I don''t want to be going places where people say things to my kids and stuff, I don''t need it.

“But I will give it my all. I am contracted to the end of the season and I will give it my all to the end of the season, like everyone should do if they are contracted to the club.

“At the minute it is not great, it is probably the worst I have ever felt as a footballer in 16 years. There is always the next game and luckily for us it is the derby game, but until we start controlling games it is going to be the same.

“Unless a manager has bucket loads of money and is going to bring in six or seven players we have still got the same players. It is only the players that are here that can change anything until January, and that''s another two months away.”

Norwich''s inability to control games is the crux of the current discontent for Huckerby, who has seen Dickson Etuhu depart for Premier League Sunderland via a get-out clause in his contract and then Youssef Safri leave for Southampton after his relationship with Grant finally broke down.

Safri''s absence could have been avoidable, Huckerby believes, but the result is the same.

“West Brom dictated the game again,” he said. “That''s happened with most teams we have played against, we just haven''t got someone on the ball who can hold it and make things happen.

“Obviously people aren''t playing well, but we haven''t dictated a game at all this season - maybe our first half against Cardiff.

“We are missing Saff, we have missed him since the day he left. We haven''t had someone in his role who can make us tick, sort the tempo of the game out.

“People were saying we didn''t need him in, there was Ramadan and all that, but the fact of the matter is we haven''t replaced him.

“People loom at the downside of everything, but the fact is we haven''t dictated a game since he left. That is not all of it, but we are going into games where other teams are controlling the complete midfield - like (Jonathan) Greening controlled everything.

“My own opinion is that Saff was here to the end of the season whatever; he was contracted to the club so he has got to play for the club, so at least we keep him until the end of the season then he can go, he serves out his contract like everybody should have to do.

“If they sign a contract they should have to serve out the contract. Saff is a nice lad, and now I think people realise how good a player he was.”

Whoever steps into the Carrow Road hot seat will no doubt be delighted to find a Darren Huckerby in their squad, but there''s little chance they will be able to prevent him speaking his mind.


  

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[quote user="jas the barclay king"]

we did not cheer QPR or Burnleys goals.. there was mock cheering when Burnley won at Carrow Road as they were celebrating like they had won the champions league... the fans in the barclay were taking the p*ss out of their celebrating by mocking them bac...

jas :)

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A hell of a lot of the ground did Jaz, including the Barclay, whatever you say.  It was absolutely disgusting and made me ashamed to be there.

 

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[quote user="Graham Humphrey"]Yep because as usual, it''s the fans'' fault.[/quote]

Were the only people blameless in this farce. FFS stop blaming the supporters. .  

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I was being ironic.

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[quote user="Graham Humphrey"][quote user="charlies dad"]

[quote user="Graham Humphrey"]Yep because as usual, it''s the fans'' fault.[/quote]

Were the only people blameless in this farce. FFS stop blaming the supporters. .  

[/quote] I know you were, i was agreeing with your point, sadly the originator of the thread wasnt being ironic, was he?

I was being ironic.

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[quote user="charlies dad"] I know you were, i was agreeing with your point, sadly the originator of the thread wasnt being ironic, was he? [/quote]

Ah right, my mistake, sorry.

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[quote user="Stevie Wonder"]

Whoever said it may have a point. Over the last 2/3 years we have actively cheered opposition goals on at least 2 occasions (QPR & Burnley). We have booed several of our players when there name is read out or cheered when they are substituted - Robinson, Hughes, Etuhu, Thorne Doc & Brown have all suffered these disgraceful actions (no matter how bad a player is, they should never be booed when wearing the yellow & green shirt). We don''t sing any more. The moment we concede a goal we are on the players back. We absolutely must have a scapegoat player to blame everything thing on. I hear one fan abusing Murray when he was stupidly moved to left back by Duffy against Bristol - Murray was told to give his shirt to someone in the crowd. People are even turning on Hux who just 6 months agao saved us from relegation almost single handed and was voted player of the year. Now because his formed as dipped (don''t forget he missed all pre-season and has an ongoing hip problem) and he has dared to voice concerns about us selling our best players he is getting slated by all and sundry - ridiculous.

Yes a lot as gone wrong over the last 3 years but we, the fans, don''t help things. I can''t imagine playing at Carrow Road has been a great experience for our players for much of that period. Whatever our issues with the board (and lets be honest there are many of those) we shouldn''t let it effect our support for the 11 players on the pitch representing OUR team. Now more than ever they need our 100% committed support.

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Perhaps I should have added slating the new manager 5 mins after he has arrived and screaming for him to be sacked.........

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norwich attendences is one best if not the best in the league so i doubt it would be that

majority norwich fans are good

you got a few idiots who wont even listen to a wolves fan who most of the time is talking sense (i said most lol)

some norwich fans are putting so much pressure on side, i mean several were demanding promotion this season, which was possible maybe still is if you turn things around but its very ambitous when you have three teams like watford,charlton,sheffutd coming down

many fans said about money and we spent alot, sheffutd spent more than you did on one player look where they are, its not just norwich doing bad

i myself dont think roeder is the man, but i mean alot of your fans started up a thread saying "sack roeder" that is a discrace and i think many of you better hope those fans stay away from carrow rd, what excatly has he done wrong for you?

only time will tell

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[quote user="we8wba"]

norwich attendences is one best if not the best in the league so i doubt it would be that

majority norwich fans are good

you got a few idiots who wont even listen to a wolves fan who most of the time is talking sense (i said most lol)

some norwich fans are putting so much pressure on side, i mean several were demanding promotion this season, which was possible maybe still is if you turn things around but its very ambitous when you have three teams like watford,charlton,sheffutd coming down

many fans said about money and we spent alot, sheffutd spent more than you did on one player look where they are, its not just norwich doing bad

i myself dont think roeder is the man, but i mean alot of your fans started up a thread saying "sack roeder" that is a discrace and i think many of you better hope those fans stay away from carrow rd, what excatly has he done wrong for you?

only time will tell

[/quote]What a load of tosh.Can''t you stay away?

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