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Hello people,

There seems to be alot of you, over the weeks, who want to sack PG?

Does this point help you, (from an outsider).

If you sack PG, you will have to pay him and his staff, full redundacy payments for the length of time that their contracts exist.

Also, any new manager will want to bring in his own staff, as well as, new players. Can your club afford to do this? Also, is there any certainty, that a new manager, would do any better?

 

Nice weekend

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It''s only very early days yet and we might turn it around, but the problem is that relegation would be far more costly than getting rid of Grant, and people can see that on our performances so far this season, if it doesn''t improve drastically we are going to be in the bottom 3.

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I love the way these other fans keep yelling us how to support our club, in short yes another manager would do better imo and any money paid getting rid of the current regime would be an investment in the long run.

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Exactly.

A point from outside puts a better perspective in this case.

HOWEVER, our fans tend to speak before they think on here =]

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mkcanary - good reponse, you are probably right.

I don''t think that there is any way that you can be near the bottom third. PG will turn things round. What''s the size of your first team squad? Surely that will help you out in the winter months, won''t it?

 

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[quote user="cityangel"]No theres not a lot of us who want to sack Granty there just a few!![/quote]You sure angel,what do you class as a few cos most people i talk to seem to think he isn''t up to the job and needs to go sooner than later,also angel what were your honest thoughs on tuesday team selection after saturdays win?

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[quote user="hogesar"]

Exactly.

A point from outside puts a better perspective in this case.

HOWEVER, our fans tend to speak before they think on here =]

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yea like westham are the loyalist fans around.

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Thanks hogesar, appreciate it. Agree your comments about outside views.

I already, exhange views and banter with Burnley, Leeds, Coventry and other clubs, in your league. If you do go into to other club''s sites, don''t go into Newcastle! It seems like the whole of North East England post on there. You put a comment into it, and, within seconds, it''s on page 10! 

Await any views, questions or banter,  that you may want to exchange about football issues.

Cheers.

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i dont want to see Grant sacked and am confident if we play to our best we can come away with all 3 points tommorow.. a win at Wolves would be a massive result!

jas :)

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Also, any new manager will want to bring in his own staff, as well as, new players. Can your club afford to do this? Also, is there any certainty, that a new manager, would do any better?

 

Nice weekend

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If this is the case then why ever sack a manager. I concur that there would be a cost involved in removing Grant from the post but I must argue the statement "is there any certainty, that a new manager, would do any better?".

How about Moriniho? Silly and extreme I know but it highlights what I mean. There are many levels of manager and I feel Peter Grant is close to the bottom.

So yes if we acquire a manager who has more experience, better people handling skills, better tactical nouce more clout in the industry which is a big help in attracting new players. The list could go on. I think there is a certainty.

We have a manager who is just as likely to take us down a turn it around. Are we prepared to allow our clubs future to be determined by what could be described as the toss of a coin.

It will never happen!. Ask Leeds fans, or Man City fans not so many seasons back. Could we recover from that? I doubt it.

Anybody who believes that we hired Grant for any other reason than price is naive. What was the spin when he joined, “he was the only applicant with a plan” Well we’re still waiting.

Set your sights too low and you can bottom out altogether sometimes.

HEADS or TAILS!!!

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Somebody did do a Grant out poll on the official site the other night , only about 80 votes but around 70%  wanted him out , the honeymoon could be well and truly over if theres no improvement very soon.

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[quote user="lobster catcher"][quote user="cityangel"]No theres not a lot of us who want to sack Granty there just a few!![/quote]You sure angel,what do you class as a few cos most people i talk to seem to think he isn''t up to the job and needs to go sooner than later,also angel what were your honest thoughs on tuesday team selection after saturdays win?[/quote]

 

I was talking about the people on this site, there are lots of disgruntled I agree ,but there haven,t been many say that they actually want him sacked, has there?

As for Tuesdays team selection I was as disappointed as everyone else and couldnt understand his thinking but as I said in another thread its too early for me to make a judgement on his future and I''m happy to give him longer.

 

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[quote user="Hardhouse44"]Anybody who believes that we hired Grant for any other reason than price is naive. What was the spin when he joined, “he was the only applicant with a plan” Well we’re still waiting.[/quote]

Let''s assume that there was and still is a plan, the problem being that none of us on the boards have any sort of clue what this plan is.

Is it a 3-4 year plan involving consolidation, team strengthening, and then a push in the final year? If so, then we are very much on track for this. Offloading some of the old drivel, bringing in new players etc.

If it was a shorter term plan, then you''d have to question how much of this is going to plan, and whether or not that plan was correct.

We simply don''t know.

Last season we a case of simply keeping us up whilst trying to get rid of the crap leftover from the NW era, this season seems very much a case of building a new team, which if playing well, could take us up, but is far more likely to give a stronger challenge next season.

We all want results yesterday, but this is rarely realistic. Surely after only 6 games, and only 3 points off a playoff place, it''s far too soon for critical knee-jerk reactions? We do have Smith due to arrive soon who could be a major driving factor in the middle. We still have the chance to get players on loan, we still have the Jan window, and if players like Jarvo do well on loan, they can also provide more options later in the season.

Way too early in my opinion for all this talk of sacking etc.

 

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Grants plan is to get promotion this season.

You may not think it is possible or he is capable but thats his stated objective. Three teams are going to be promoted this year, could any poster on this board confidently name them? Laddies awaits your cash!

My plan is to support him and see where it goes. I''m not going to jump ship after 6 games.

I just saw there is a poll on this site with two pathetic pussy options about waiting til November or the New Year. If you want him out now say so now, there is no point waiting til November and then changing your mind. Or should we wait til November before we support the team?

 

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[quote user="Indy_Bones"]

[quote user="Hardhouse44"]Anybody who believes that we hired Grant for any other reason than price is naive. What was the spin when he joined, “he was the only applicant with a plan” Well we’re still waiting.[/quote]

Let''s assume that there was and still is a plan, the problem being that none of us on the boards have any sort of clue what this plan is.

Is it a 3-4 year plan involving consolidation, team strengthening, and then a push in the final year? If so, then we are very much on track for this. Offloading some of the old drivel, bringing in new players etc.

If it was a shorter term plan, then you''d have to question how much of this is going to plan, and whether or not that plan was correct.

We simply don''t know.

Last season we a case of simply keeping us up whilst trying to get rid of the crap leftover from the NW era, this season seems very much a case of building a new team, which if playing well, could take us up, but is far more likely to give a stronger challenge next season.

We all want results yesterday, but this is rarely realistic. Surely after only 6 games, and only 3 points off a playoff place, it''s far too soon for critical knee-jerk reactions? We do have Smith due to arrive soon who could be a major driving factor in the middle. We still have the chance to get players on loan, we still have the Jan window, and if players like Jarvo do well on loan, they can also provide more options later in the season.

Way too early in my opinion for all this talk of sacking etc.

 

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it seems to be a plan involving shocking team selections and appalling tactics...

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[quote user="cityangel"]

[quote user="lobster catcher"][quote user="cityangel"]No theres not a lot of us who want to sack Granty there just a few!![/quote]You sure angel,what do you class as a few cos most people i talk to seem to think he isn''t up to the job and needs to go sooner than later,also angel what were your honest thoughs on tuesday team selection after saturdays win?[/quote]

 

I was talking about the people on this site, there are lots of disgruntled I agree ,but there haven,t been many say that they actually want him sacked, has there?

As for Tuesdays team selection I was as disappointed as everyone else and couldnt understand his thinking but as I said in another thread its too early for me to make a judgement on his future and I''m happy to give him longer.

 

[/quote]Well not sure about any others but I for 1 want him sacked and have done for  last six months. Naive, rude, arrogant, and inexperienced. Im just hoping he gets sacked or a season long touchline ban - his touchline antics are an embarassment and make a mokery of his claims for players to be disciplined.

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Whether it be a knee jerk reaction, give it time, it''ll all fall into place ''eventually'', we are going through a painful transition, ''injury crisis'' quotes from the Darth Donkster, but no comments forthcoming from the NCFC board, the positives saying we''re gonna give someone a helluva spankin'', fans baying for Granty''s removal, crisis what crisis? yadda, yadda, yawn.

Yup! we''re only 6 games into the season and 40+ games to go (including our progress after beating ''Mad for it City'' on Tuesday).

Is there light at the end of the trouble? Maybe, possibly, could be personally, not for the foreseeable future.

So we don''t make the play-offs? Another season in the Chumpionship again the excuses will be punched out from the club If it wasn''t for that thug at Chortling Aesthetic away back in September, that heevil weevil Damning Mills (an'' a partisan Norfolk lad as well) getting our evergreen Dubbers his marching orders (and him an essential vertebrae in our spine an'' all), having to miss those 3 games, we''d have been well placed for a top 12 spot-tish etc, etc.

A poster recently rattled on about what the predictable comments from the non-believers, defeatists and supposed clueless conducting their ''post-match debriefing and how it''ll be the usual suspects bangin'' on about how shi*e we are, the NCFC board and Delia are Cuckoo - and the club has no ambition, the manager is clueless, the teams a disgrace etc

But what about the predictable effusive effluent excusing comments, from the aggravating alleviating affluents at Carra? It''s always the same dirge and patronising drivel shovelled out to the hordes when things are ''below par'' and failing I could predict what the club will emit forth if another underachieving season unfolds and I''m not Madame Zsa Zsa Fortune Teller Extraordinaire. 

I can''t predict promotion, relegation, wins or losses but I''m ''betting'' we don''t get promoted.

But if we are relegated we are going to be stood on our heads in a Bowel Irrigation Clinic''s cesspit - and they''ll be no tea-breaks forthcoming

If we are going to act by removing the manager! Do it Now! Bugger the cost!

 Including the majority of the Directors, and the Chief Exec as well please.

It''s only a personal opinion by the way.....and quite early in the morning after a heavy session on the evil drink.

But I think I''m being serious.

 

  

 

  

 

 

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[quote user="Indy_Bones"]

Let''s assume that there was and still is a plan, the problem being that none of us on the boards have any sort of clue what this plan is.

Is it a 3-4 year plan involving consolidation, team strengthening, and then a push in the final year? If so, then we are very much on track for this. Offloading some of the old drivel, bringing in new players etc.

If it was a shorter term plan, then you''d have to question how much of this is going to plan, and whether or not that plan was correct.

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How can you have a 3-4 year plan at our clubs level anymore?  In 3-4 years Dublin, Cureton and Hucks will be gone, if semmy continues as he is he will be gone, in fact I wouldnt bank on any player in the first XI still being here.

My problem with Grant is his god-awful tactics, terrible judgement during games, pathetic man management and patent inexperience.  I think he has done quite well signing players, maybe he should be a scout?? [^o)]

I am not too happy about ''relegation manager'' and arrogant so and so Jim Duffy being at the club either.  Another ''man management specialist....''  by all accounts.

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Ricky knight

You must be very young and not know anything about the loyalties of fans, to make a ridiculous statement like that. Ask around the country, who are the loyalist supporters and you will hear the names of Newcastle, Liverpool and West Ham.

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hardhouse44

Great post. You make some excellent points that I wouldn''t argue with. The only thing that I would add is from an interview with Pardew. "PG is a good manager. In the short term,  I know, that he wants to stabalize the club and weed out certain players. In the long term he will look to add more flair players, the club just needs to be patient".

Yeh, I know what you''re going to say, over to you chaps.

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