okay, shoot me down, but I am going to say this.......

[gazzathegreat 0]

I know this won''t be popular and I can''t say I expect anyone to agree, but I am just want to say it anyway.

I still hope for good things this season.  I am STILL looking forward to going to the first game and to as many friendlies as I can manage. I am still hopeful we will continue to strengthen the squad before the end of August.  Why, because I support the club. This doesn''t mean any particular individual, though I have my favourites and those I don''t like so much, after all it''s all human nature. In the end it''s the club, the badge, the canary we all support, not Delia, Hucks etc, the club.

I have read post after post on here about protests, lack of ambition, selling the fans down the river, lies, counter claims, all of that.  But barely has anyone said they support the club.  I guess you all do - or you wouldn''t be angry.  I just can''t feel anger, just disappointment we have had to resort to signing Earnshaw on those terms and the reasons we signed him in the first place (to save Worthington''s bacon at the time?); whether it was a good or bad move will depend on how good you think Earnshaw was. Personally I didn''t rate him that much, but as a player wearing our shirt I supported him (after all that is the whole purpose of going to games isn''t it?).

There are lots of things we need explaining and lots of info which the club is never going to make public, so we are perhaps frustrated at not buying players of the worth of those leaving by the back door.  But come on, we all knew Earnshaw was off, as the WBA fans probably knew before us.  He has no loyalty to any club and is perhaps a typical footballer of today.

The board mean well, but can''t compete with the cut and thrust of today''s transfer market and refuse to take risk.  The real trouble lies with the fact they refused to take risk at the crucial time (ie building a strong squad after promotion) and we are still paying for that, and will for years to come, should nothing change.  Its happened before and it''s happened again.

A piece of luck however, they have attracted major investors in the Turners (the £2m is a mere starting point); we have another "ambitious" manager in Grant (as O''Neill).  Remember when O''Neill joined us he was inexperienced also.  I just hope we have spotted a manager who can improve the team, the ambition of the players, and take this club forward before anymore damage is done. We can''t judge him so far, he''s been tied by footballing legislation re transfer windows etc.

I don''t want the board out.  What would getting rid of them achieve, unless any of you are in the position to take over?  I think they need to have a radical change of policy and accept their over cautious approach has damaged us severly. Who can help steer them on the right road however is more difficult.  We definitely need someone on the board who has experienced football at the top.  An ex manager perhaps, someone with better contacts in the game than anyone we have at the club at the present time.

Most of all we have to get behind the club and support them.  I have willingly bought my season ticket this year because I support the club and have seen good and bad times and expect to continue on that rollercoaster for the whole of my supporting life.  But hey, I love the club and love going to games.  I have been called a sheep, but hey, I am not going to stop going just to pacify a few reactionaries!  It''s my money and my choice (I am a sheep who makes decisions!!).

I have come away from games disappointed, angry, furious and numb....but I have also come away elated, proud and happy.  That is why I keep going back and why I will always go back. 

Just try looking on the bright side - it''s only football at the end of the day, no one has died!  It''s something our parents or friends thrust upon us many years ago and an addiction we could all at times do without.  But come on, would any of you want to be without it?

OTBC.

[Bigmarkcanary 0]

Another top post from gazza, who is indeed a great![:D]

Superbly written, thought out and put across in a way in which is by no means insulting to anyone who dares to have a different view point to somebody else. [Y]

[Cluck 0]

[quote user="gazzathegreat"]

I know this won''t be popular and I can''t say I expect anyone to agree, but I am just want to say it anyway.

I still hope for good things this season.  I am STILL looking forward to going to the first game and to as many friendlies as I can manage. I am still hopeful we will continue to strengthen the squad before the end of August.  Why, because I support the club. This doesn''t mean any particular individual, though I have my favourites and those I don''t like so much, after all it''s all human nature. In the end it''s the club, the badge, the canary we all support, not Delia, Hucks etc, the club.

I have read post after post on here about protests, lack of ambition, selling the fans down the river, lies, counter claims, all of that.  But barely has anyone said they support the club.  I guess you all do - or you wouldn''t be angry.  I just can''t feel anger, just disappointment we have had to resort to signing Earnshaw on those terms and the reasons we signed him in the first place (to save Worthington''s bacon at the time?); whether it was a good or bad move will depend on how good you think Earnshaw was. Personally I didn''t rate him that much, but as a player wearing our shirt I supported him (after all that is the whole purpose of going to games isn''t it?).

There are lots of things we need explaining and lots of info which the club is never going to make public, so we are perhaps frustrated at not buying players of the worth of those leaving by the back door.  But come on, we all knew Earnshaw was off, as the WBA fans probably knew before us.  He has no loyalty to any club and is perhaps a typical footballer of today.

The board mean well, but can''t compete with the cut and thrust of today''s transfer market and refuse to take risk.  The real trouble lies with the fact they refused to take risk at the crucial time (ie building a strong squad after promotion) and we are still paying for that, and will for years to come, should nothing change.  Its happened before and it''s happened again.

A piece of luck however, they have attracted major investors in the Turners (the £2m is a mere starting point); we have another "ambitious" manager in Grant (as O''Neill).  Remember when O''Neill joined us he was inexperienced also.  I just hope we have spotted a manager who can improve the team, the ambition of the players, and take this club forward before anymore damage is done. We can''t judge him so far, he''s been tied by footballing legislation re transfer windows etc.

I don''t want the board out.  What would getting rid of them achieve, unless any of you are in the position to take over?  I think they need to have a radical change of policy and accept their over cautious approach has damaged us severly. Who can help steer them on the right road however is more difficult.  We definitely need someone on the board who has experienced football at the top.  An ex manager perhaps, someone with better contacts in the game than anyone we have at the club at the present time.

Most of all we have to get behind the club and support them.  I have willingly bought my season ticket this year because I support the club and have seen good and bad times and expect to continue on that rollercoaster for the whole of my supporting life.  But hey, I love the club and love going to games.  I have been called a sheep, but hey, I am not going to stop going just to pacify a few reactionaries!  It''s my money and my choice (I am a sheep who makes decisions!!).

I have come away from games disappointed, angry, furious and numb....but I have also come away elated, proud and happy.  That is why I keep going back and why I will always go back. 

Just try looking on the bright side - it''s only football at the end of the day, no one has died!  It''s something our parents or friends thrust upon us many years ago and an addiction we could all at times do without.  But come on, would any of you want to be without it?

OTBC.

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Consider yourself shot...........

[Branston Pickle 4,150]

[quote user="Bigmarkcanary"]

Another top post from gazza, who is indeed a great![:D]

Superbly written, thought out and put across in a way in which is by no means insulting to anyone who dares to have a different view point to somebody else. [Y]

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....which is precisely why it will sadly either get ignored or ripped to shreds by the usual mob.  It seems to be that at the moment you have to be rabidly against the club - if you aren''t or you try to rationalise things or put across a different view it makes you an apologist for the club and there to be ripped apart. 

I pretty much agree with much of what gazza says.  At the end of the day selling Earnshaw is not the end of the world, nor is it the end of our chances of doing anything next season.  OK he was our main goalscorer last season, but imo we didn''t actually seem to play as well when he was in the side: as PG said the other day, we seemed to become overly reliant on him and we actually had one of our best spells whilst he was out injured. 

As long as the extra money is indeed there to invest as a result of his sale, I don''t think this will necessarily be a bad thing for our chances next season.  But the next month will tell.  If the money isn''t forthcoming and we indeed don''t spend anything like the £4m-5m that should be there, then you''d be completely daft not to realise that something really is iffy at the club.  But those who aren''t even willing to wait and see who we buy, or for us to kick a ball before calling on everyone to protest, really ought to let PG have the chance that they haven''t yet given him to try to sort it out.

[hogesar 10,765]

This is an excellent post, and it would be sickening of Smudger, Cluck and all twisted this...

[First Wizard 0]

I refuse to join the anti everything brigade. Earnshaw, like Ashton, never committed to the club and in the end he did what he''s done to every other club he''s been at.......he bugg**ed off!.

Peter and the club desperately need our support today.

And I''m proud to give it!.[:D]

[ca 1]

Top post Gazza, I share your views and so do many others I''m sure.

[Dowp End 0]

Very well said Gazza---------I have just been reading the ''sack the board thread'' and really cannot be bothered to post on it----strikes of a no. of posters almost being pleased to have something to pounce on like baying wolves. If it wasnt Earnshaw going and an opportunity to attack the board it would be something else they would find to bitch about----We have the championships top goal scorer coming home to roost and money to spend----I for one feel pretty o.k with that and am not going to join the doom merchants before pre season training has even began-----really do wish that some of these so called supporters would take their support elsewhere and leave the flock to enjoy Saturdays come what may.....we all want results but as importantantly we want to support, attend and enjoy--------The poor performances make the good ones even sweeter and my long drive home worth every effort----the unpredictability of this league makes each and every game different, important and outcome difficult to predict. Isnt that called entertaiment.

[gazzathegreat 0]

Yeah, the sack the board and similar threads went on and on without acutally solving anything, so have a protest at the first game of the season!  Why - before a ball is kicked.  No progress I suppose towards the ultimate end of getting rid of a board those on here can''t stand.  Nor support.  Does supporting your club include agreeing with everything the board does?  Well it  must I guess.

So the stay aways can rant away to themselves while we go to the matches, suits me fine.  Call us all sheep and whatever the current terms are.  Okay.  We are the ones supporting our club, they are the ones moaning.

Cluck:  A considered response would be nice.  If you are so against the board and Delia in particular, what do you propose to replace them?  Whom, or what? 

[Smudger 0]

[quote user="1st Wizard"]

I refuse to join the anti everything brigade. Earnshaw, like Ashton, never committed to the club and in the end he did what he''s done to every other club he''s been at.......he bugg**ed off!.

Peter and the club desperately need our support today.

And I''m proud to give it!.[:D]

[/quote]

Say what you like WIZ... as I have said elsewhere it will alll end in tears again for you [:''(]

You will revert back to type when only a tiny amount of money has been spent prior to the season kicking off and we have a team that is even worse than last year (if that is possible).

[Smudger 0]

[quote user="gazzathegreat"]

Yeah, the sack the board and similar threads went on and on without acutally solving anything, so have a protest at the first game of the season!  Why - before a ball is kicked.  No progress I suppose towards the ultimate end of getting rid of a board those on here can''t stand.  Nor support.  Does supporting your club include agreeing with everything the board does?  Well it  must I guess.

So the stay aways can rant away to themselves while we go to the matches, suits me fine.  Call us all sheep and whatever the current terms are.  Okay.  We are the ones supporting our club, they are the ones moaning.

Cluck:  A considered response would be nice.  If you are so against the board and Delia in particular, what do you propose to replace them?  Whom, or what? 

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Yawn, Yawn, Yawn...

Yep make sure you take your knitting with you to the first game of the season too GAZZA... you will certainly need it watching the mighty Chris Brown/Jamie Cureton partnership!!!

[gazzathegreat 0]

Hey, hey, do you want me to knit you a scarf Smudger, for the day you actually GO to a game. 

[alex_ncfc 686]

[quote user="cityangel"]Top post Gazza, I share your views and so do many others I''m sure.[/quote]Propaganda at its best.There are also many, many who don''t.

[First Wizard 0]

[quote user="Smudger"][quote user="1st Wizard"]

I refuse to join the anti everything brigade. Earnshaw, like Ashton, never committed to the club and in the end he did what he''s done to every other club he''s been at.......he bugg**ed off!.

Peter and the club desperately need our support today.

And I''m proud to give it!.[:D]

[/quote]

Say what you like WIZ... as I have said elsewhere it will alll end in tears again for you [:''(]

You will revert back to type when only a tiny amount of money has been spent prior to the season kicking off and we have a team that is even worse than last year (if that is possible).

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At least I''m trying to stay positive Smudger. So what if I end up crying? I did that on here yesterday when I saw the pack decended like rabid wolves on the club.

Yes, I know at times, I''ve been just as guilty myself, even more so in all probability, but today Grant, the lads, especially Jamie, and yes if you like, even the board, all need our support.

And I''m proud to give it to them...........no matter what the pain I get in doing so!.

[A Load of Squit 6,260]

[quote user="alex_ncfc"][quote user="cityangel"]Top post Gazza, I share your views and so do many others I''m sure.[/quote]

Propaganda at its best.

There are also many, many who don''t.
[/quote]

Hooray, its the return of the ''we are the majority'' posts!

 

 

[Mello Yello 2,572]

[quote user="gazzathegreat"]

Yeah, the sack the board and similar threads went on and on without acutally solving anything, so have a protest at the first game of the season!  Why - before a ball is kicked.  No progress I suppose towards the ultimate end of getting rid of a board those on here can''t stand.  Nor support.  Does supporting your club include agreeing with everything the board does?  Well it  must I guess.

So the stay aways can rant away to themselves while we go to the matches, suits me fine.  Call us all sheep and whatever the current terms are.  Okay.  We are the ones supporting our club, they are the ones moaning.

Cluck:  A considered response would be nice.  If you are so against the board and Delia in particular, what do you propose to replace them?  Whom, or what? 

[/quote]

Sorry to encroach Gazza. But, after mucho lotto protestation 10 years ago, we did (as fans), eventually solve the problem. I protested against ''him'' like your good self Gazza, although, unlike you, I didn''t have the ballcocks to remain outside - and still entered the ground to watch the home games. In reality, someone will always step into departing players boots when they leave.........like someone steps into departing board members brogues.......(when they leave, ''cheers Bazza''). A major change in the direction and day to day running of this club is an absolute necessity if we are to ''keep up'' with the ''others''......

If Delia and Micky were to step down, (but remain at the club as both lifelong non-board support). Then, the ''Turner Two'' ruthlessly remove the Chairman and the ''extraordinarily efficient at looking efficient - and leaving us regularly deficient'', Chief Exec......Then, after appointing themselves as the new 1 and 2 and immediately enlisting the staff - who''re more competent and ''cleverer'' than the average NCFC Director/Board member; and who also know exactly what they''re doing in the business world, including FOOTBALL, and ''who ultimately understand, the sleazy weasley football agents - and how not to be hoodwinked in the transfer market, or inevitably lose out in the 11th hour on decent signings to the more ''cleverer'' clubs''.

I think the Turner Two may have what it takes to shake up this club and offload those, (who in my personal opinion), have overstayed their welcome and are well past their ''swell by date''.........Unfortunately, I think that Turner 1&2 are friends/close buddies, of those who currently hold the reins of the horseless ''Carrow Carriage'' - and will find it difficult to get the initial ball rolling of wholesale change, preferring instead, to watch the proceedings till the moment arises. And, until we flounder - and really plummet to the depths of perdition with the current set-up, and whilst there''s copious amounts of bums on seats, the NCFC board will just happily trundle along with 3 wheels on their wagon, whilst whistlin'' Dixie.

Earnie''s gone, season ticket dosh in the bank, a quick sweetener with Jamie back in the fold, ride the storm of anger, season''s started, we win a few, lose a few.......things aren''t so bad as we are doing alright..........Until.......Oh Dear! ;~(

Like yourself, I will still follow the team both home and away, air my discontent, be forever cynical, have many tears and cheers - and a good few beers (+ tons of pies)....Because, that''s what I''ve always done.

I just don''t think our current board (Turner''s exempt) have the nous or ability to progress us any further in the football world. In short, we''ve just gone in a big circle and no improvement is forthcoming.

If the ''Turner Test'' don''t work, we start again......."It''s a funny old game".......

 

[Smudger 0]

[quote user="1st Wizard"][quote user="Smudger"][quote user="1st Wizard"]

I refuse to join the anti everything brigade. Earnshaw, like Ashton, never committed to the club and in the end he did what he''s done to every other club he''s been at.......he bugg**ed off!.

Peter and the club desperately need our support today.

And I''m proud to give it!.[:D]

[/quote]

Say what you like WIZ... as I have said elsewhere it will alll end in tears again for you [:''(]

You will revert back to type when only a tiny amount of money has been spent prior to the season kicking off and we have a team that is even worse than last year (if that is possible).

[/quote]

At least I''m trying to stay positive Smudger. So what if I end up crying? I did that on here yesterday when I saw the pack decended like rabid wolves on the club.

Yes, I know at times, I''ve been just as guilty myself, even more so in all probability, but today Grant, the lads, especially Jamie, and yes if you like, even the board, all need our support.

And I''m proud to give it to them...........no matter what the pain I get in doing so!.

[/quote]

Grant and Jamie have my support... the board do not... and it is ultimately them who must go if any kind of success or team resembling what the Norfolk public deserve is to return to this club...

Why is it that so many people have a mentality of oh you must be against the club as a whole if you are aginst this bunch of puppets who are sat in our control room destroying it???

[gazzathegreat 0]

[quote user="Mello Yello"][quote user="gazzathegreat"]

Yeah, the sack the board and similar threads went on and on without acutally solving anything, so have a protest at the first game of the season!  Why - before a ball is kicked.  No progress I suppose towards the ultimate end of getting rid of a board those on here can''t stand.  Nor support.  Does supporting your club include agreeing with everything the board does?  Well it  must I guess.

So the stay aways can rant away to themselves while we go to the matches, suits me fine.  Call us all sheep and whatever the current terms are.  Okay.  We are the ones supporting our club, they are the ones moaning.

Cluck:  A considered response would be nice.  If you are so against the board and Delia in particular, what do you propose to replace them?  Whom, or what? 

[/quote]

Sorry to encroach Gazza. But, after mucho lotto protestation 10 years ago, we did (as fans), eventually solve the problem. I protested against ''him'' like your good self Gazza, although, unlike you, I didn''t have the ballcocks to remain outside - and still entered the ground to watch the home games. In reality, someone will always step into departing players boots when they leave.........like someone steps into departing board members brogues.......(when they leave, ''cheers Bazza''). A major change in the direction and day to day running of this club is an absolute necessity if we are to ''keep up'' with the ''others''......

If Delia and Micky were to step down, (but remain at the club as both lifelong non-board support). Then, the ''Turner Two'' ruthlessly remove the Chairman and the ''extraordinarily efficient at looking efficient - and leaving us regularly deficient'', Chief Exec......Then, after appointing themselves as the new 1 and 2 and immediately enlisting the staff - who''re more competent and ''cleverer'' than the average NCFC Director/Board member; and who also know exactly what they''re doing in the business world, including FOOTBALL, and ''who ultimately understand, the sleazy weasley football agents - and how not to be hoodwinked in the transfer market, or inevitably lose out in the 11th hour on decent signings to the more ''cleverer'' clubs''.

I think the Turner Two may have what it takes to shake up this club and offload those, (who in my personal opinion), have overstayed their welcome and are well past their ''swell by date''.........Unfortunately, I think that Turner 1&2 are friends/close buddies, of those who currently hold the reins of the horseless ''Carrow Carriage'' - and will find it difficult to get the initial ball rolling of wholesale change, preferring instead, to watch the proceedings till the moment arises. And, until we flounder - and really plummet to the depths of perdition with the current set-up, and whilst there''s copious amounts of bums on seats, the NCFC board will just happily trundle along with 3 wheels on their wagon, whilst whistlin'' Dixie.

Earnie''s gone, season ticket dosh in the bank, a quick sweetener with Jamie back in the fold, ride the storm of anger, season''s started, we win a few, lose a few.......things aren''t so bad as we are doing alright..........Until.......Oh Dear! ;~(

Like yourself, I will still follow the team both home and away, air my discontent, be forever cynical, have many tears and cheers - and a good few beers (+ tons of pies)....Because, that''s what I''ve always done.

I just don''t think our current board (Turner''s exempt) have the nous or ability to progress us any further in the football world. In short, we''ve just gone in a big circle and no improvement is forthcoming.

If the ''Turner Test'' don''t work, we start again......."It''s a funny old game".......

 

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Mello, while I applaud your sentiments re the Chase years and indeed did take direct action in the protests then I cannot see that the state of our club now is in any way as bad.  Chase was singularly responsible for destroying our club, Delia and co have not destroyed it, they might be misguided (and I don''t agree with all their policies or statements) but I do want them to have the chance to put things back in the right direction - giving Grant a chance (he hasn''t had a chance yet to mould his own team and also we have the most important support of the Turners, who have yet to be able to do much (but that hasn''t stopped a few on here having a go at them).  I think too the board  needs a bit of a shake up but can''t see how protests will achieve this.  If the money (the Turners'' and the money from Earnie) is''nt used for team rebuilding then yes, there will be unrest.  I am pretty sure the Turners are a lot tougher than many on here believe. There is more to them than we have seen so far, just trust me on that.

Also, going back to Chase, I am now too old to stand outside, have horses charge me and city fans spit on me (facts).  The board are not selling the club down the river, they are just not up to football in the 21st C.  We really need some footballing guru on board (Dave Stringer for starts, Ken Brown?) to instill a bit of footballing knowledge. 

Enjoy the pies though, at least you get real tea and biscuits   lol

[Mr.Carrow 394]

There seem to be quite a number of posters on this board who are keen to have a go at the "anti-board" element, who go on to say things like "i don`t think the board have run the club very well" or "they have made mistakes, but....." or "i don`t agree with all their policies". I think people need to realise that if it wasn`t for the more extreme element raising these issues and problems, there would be nothing to debate, little awareness of them and absolutely no pressure on the club to change its approach. We didn`t spend anywhere near all of the Ashton/Francis/Green money and if there wasn`t such an outcry at the moment they would not consider spending all the Earnshaw money either. Why change their approach when the ground will still be near enough sold out and there isn`t a bleat of complaint from the supporters?

If you think some of the boards policies are failing the club you should be applauding those protesting about it, not deriding them or trying to shut them up.