There's No Such Thing as a 'Bidding War'!

[First Wizard 0]

Okay , lets sink this myth about a ''bidding war'' once and for all, there''s no such thing!, never has been!.

I see many fans on here seem to think (and also to be fair, so do a lot of other clubs fans) that when two or three clubs want the same player (example Sharp) this somehow pushes the transfer fee up............thats rot!.

If you think back to Clinton Morrison, us and Crystal Palace both met the asking price from Birmingham, we didn''t have to increase our offer to talk to him, nor did they, we both met the selling clubs valuation of him.

The selling club sets the fixed price, this is how transfers are in general done...............and not to the highest bidder!.

Its then left to the buying club to offer the player a better deal to him and his agent then their rivals have.

But its not a bidding war!.

The selling club doesn''t get any extra money, all they get is their basic asking price,  plus any sell on''s etc.

Are we clear now?.[:|]

[megson 0]

Bidding war doesn''t apply to the transfer fee these days but to the package for the player.

If other clubs come into a transfer knowing that other clbus have put offers in they will be asking the agent what the financial package for the player was, then offering to beat it.

That''s where the main bidding war lies.

You are correct in that scunthorpe have accepted out bid, so if Wolves for example offer them more it doesn''t make a great deal of difference. That said scunthorpe will be more willing to deal with the higher bidder, return their calls, make the right nosies to the player about the quality of said highest bidder etc etc.

So while they can''t then ask us for more, they can try and influence the player in the direction of the highest fee, and make it a little slower for our bid to progress if they want to.

[gissing canary 2]

there is when good old steve bruce and the fools at birmingham get involved, we bid 750k for rowan vine and they bid....£2.5!

 

[Syteanric 1]

John Obi-Mikels transfer from Norway to Chelski.. typical example of a bidding war between them and Man Utd.

our own sale of Dean ashton to Wet sham.. Man City and Newcastle both offered around 5 muillion pounds, this was made public Knowledge, before the (un)Appy ammers came in with a higher bid, Man City then apprently increased their bid so the sham came in with the 7.5 million bid.

whats that then wiz?

jas :)

 

[Old Shuck 183]

Good point Wiz.

However-if we offer Scunny £2.5 Million for Sharp (this is hypothetical!) and they say "...great, thats our value, you can talk to the lad...", then along come moneybags Wolves with an offer of £4 Million, who''s to say Scunny might either tell us the fee has changed -it isn''t a contractual agreement with us after all, they''ve only said "yes" to the offer verbally, is that legally binding that they still have to accept that if he wants to come here?-or, Scunny might "influence" Sharp to join Wolves rather than us to get the bigger fee.

Of course, if Wolves know they''ve accepted our fee why should they offer more which is where your argument is coming from-but Leeds blew other clubs out of the water in their Prem days by offering over the odds, Chelsea are now. Might it be the case at a more modest level as well?

[7rew 0]

The myth of bidding wars as you so eloquantly put it, is generally

supported by the mass media however - in so many cases a club says we

were going to by him for £X and then the other club offered £Y which we

didn''t rate him at so he went there -  normally with Y

significantly greater than X.

If you were the selling club and I offered you £2m for a player and

then someone else offered £3m - why exactly would you sell to me - or

even let me talk to the player?

Clubs can sell players in anyway they like - closed bids or open bids,

hell they could bet them in a game of poker if they wanted to!

[a1canary 0]

Don''t talk nonsesne, of course there is. We''re not talking about fixed price commodities here that you pick of the shelf. Of course there''s often a point above which a club will let a player go to any number of clubs but are you saying that the selling club never come down in price and the buying club up? Of course they do. Call it an auction if you prefer. Sometimes the selling club will get what they want, sometimes they''ll accept a little less it depends on the circumstances. Birmingham accepted both the offers for Morrison because they were both at an acceptable level to them at which they were prepared to let him go. But do not tell me that Scunthorpe aren''t engineering an auction here to get their fee. Don'' tell me they''re no interested in bringing more players round the table without expecting to get their full asking price. It''s believed we tabled a bid of £1.5m with add ons. You think he''ll go for that? No neither do i. In which case, Scunthorpe will have successfully ''bid up'' the fee.

[Dr Terrible 0]

[quote user="jas the barclay king"]

John Obi-Mikels transfer from Norway to Chelski.. typical example of a bidding war between them and Man Utd.

our own sale of Dean ashton to Wet sham.. Man City and Newcastle both offered around 5 muillion pounds, this was made public Knowledge, before the (un)Appy ammers came in with a higher bid, Man City then apprently increased their bid so the sham came in with the 7.5 million bid.

whats that then wiz?

jas :)

 

[/quote]

No sorry but you are wrong.

John Obi mikel signed a pre contract deal for man utd from Lyn oslo. He then changed his mind and decided he wanted to join chelsea. After a uefa meeting it was decided that chelsea HAD to pay lyn oslo the 4m they had agreed with man utd, then chelsea had to buy the player from man utd for 12m.

Dean ashtons case-You have some points right where clubs were RUMOURED to have made bids but if you remember Norwich came out and said they would only sell for at least 7m. They also claimed Dean was injured against west ham in the cup and no bids had been accepted, yet it later transpired that west ham HAD, had a bid accepted and insisted on him not being cuptied-yet Dean gets blamed and the board got away with diverting the blame onto dean, when in fact THEY put the price on his head. {would you leave your job for better money and more career prospects-i think you would-blame the board not ashton}

I accept your thanks for correcting this issue.

[GMF 736]

At the end of the day it all comes down to an offer that is acceptable to the Club who holds the player''s registration and, perhaps more importantly, who the player actually wants to play for.

It two or more Clubs are interested in a particular player, the selling Club will try to use that fact to its advantage, but that will only work if the player doesn''t mind who he plays for.

[king of latvia 0]

"Its then left to the buying club to offer the player a better deal to him and his agent then their rivals have.

But its not a bidding war!."

so if one club offers more then the other and the agent contacts the other club and they up there offer .

this is not a bidding war .

wiz you seem to be the only person on here that finds topics that other fans dont think of .

and we all fall for it and reply.

amazing

[ricardo 7,384]

wDon''t be silly Wizard. When one person has something of value and two or more other people want it there is always a bidding war.

In this respect a footballer is no different to any other item of value and pretend different is to fly in the face of logic.

[Mello Yello 2,289]

NCFC doesn''t bid.......it haggles. Sometimes it''s a bargain, sometimes it''s a respray and been clocked.[:|]

[sheded 0]

In a way  Wiz is correct   !  if we take the anology  as an open  auction  , where the bidders are all present at the auction  , and the auctioneer  sees who the highest bidder  is , and brings the hammer down  for the highest bidder !  .......  then   the actions of clubs and agents  have     NO   resemblance to a bidding war ! 

What we ACTUALLY  have  is  wheeling and dealing between agents  and managers !   with the player involved having a bit part  in the proceedings  ,  make NO mistake , there`s bungs  being passed over !    thats football today  in the big wide world  ....  aint no " bidding "  that makes one  iota of difference .

[James Kent 0]

It''s an intersting debate and most of the time there is no bidding war in terms of transfer fees.  Remember though clubs don''t always put a price on someone''s head.  In this case a bidding war may occur.