SM 0 Posted May 16, 2007 what does everyone think of this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silver fox 0 Posted May 16, 2007 New image but still takes an eternity for any up to date news. I will stick with the pink''un. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Loughborough Canary 0 Posted May 16, 2007 Think it is poor to be honest! Too much goin on, you don''t know where to look first! Or maybe I just don''t like change?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
First Wizard 0 Posted May 16, 2007 I no longer exsist according to them, I can''t log on and its crap!................mind you..............perhaps thats their plan!.[:D] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blahblahblah 2 Posted May 16, 2007 Hmm.There seems to be a large amount of adverts for poker / betting / junk food and moving graphics. Once I found the message board, it didn''t stand out on the page, just white on white with a lot of space given over to a rather pointless rating system. The second thread on it was "Oh my god what''s happened here" I think.It would be kind to say that it needs improvement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrdi 366 Posted May 16, 2007 The new site looks terrible - far too much content, layout is cluttered and it just looks a mess. And as for the messageboards? Fair enough that they''ve wanted to add text/image tools, but the menu layout is shocking, and everybody''s post counter has been reset to zero. AND years of messageboard history has been deleted. I think a very big own goal allround.Hence why I''ve come here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted May 16, 2007 Lost my user name and don''t seem to be able to change itDon''t like the message board as it stands, hope there''s some improvement soon.On the good side I like the idea of the Canary Chat but it''s not up and running yet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0 Posted May 16, 2007 so many annoying adverts all over the site... Very poor, but its a standard ''premium tv'' thing isn''t it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alex_ncfc 643 Posted May 16, 2007 It''s worse than poor. It also seems to take 10 times longer the load. What''s the point? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Yellow Bird 0 Posted May 16, 2007 The links don''t work - tried to get a couple of match reports from this season and all I got was error messages. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
As my login causes problems [ :o) ] 0 Posted May 16, 2007 Well I have to say it is absolutely awful and at a time when the site was being invaded by silliness, it really doesn''t lend itself to serious debate on anything, let alone football.The only problem with this site is the (sometimes) infernal delay over getting posts approved which slows down debate, but apart from that this works.I guess that the fall of canaries.co.uk will mean the reemergence of here as a lot of good posters come over. :o) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gazzathegreat 0 Posted May 16, 2007 We don''t like change do we. I must admit I only go on the official site occasionally, I can''t stand the sanctimonious attitude of one Joe "superfan and master of spin" Ferrari. Also, common with a lot of sites are threads which have absolutely nothing to do with football, let alone our club.It will be good if the posters who are eager for proper football debate come onto this site, though of course it''s not perfect either, I feel has the best mix of debate and mostly keeps to the point! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syteanric 1 Posted May 16, 2007 canaries.co.uk has been shocking for years! i can remember the good old days about 1997.. long before "premium TV" took over the site... that was the boards best time.jas :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,503 Posted May 16, 2007 I have seen better to be honest.I can see what they''re trying to achieve.But making a small scroll-box for content very rarely works unless pages have very small content, opposite to what this site has!Theyy should flash-base it all if you ask me.Or go simple, and easy like this site!Terrible! =-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ian 1,118 Posted May 16, 2007 They really should hire some professionals.The overall site is badly designed and badly engineered. What''s the point in having increase text size buttons if it breaks the site layout? The code isn''t modern, and running it through the validator brings up dozens of coding errors. Hardly an improvement.As for making the site Flash-based Hogesar, you were joking, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syteanric 1 Posted May 16, 2007 [quote user="I. Shurmer"]They really should hire some professionals.The overall site is badly designed and badly engineered. What''s the point in having increase text size buttons if it breaks the site layout? The code isn''t modern, and running it through the validator brings up dozens of coding errors. Hardly an improvement.As for making the site Flash-based Hogesar, you were joking, right?[/quote]a well done site done in Flash with correctly coded Action Script can be excellentjas :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mello Yello 2,265 Posted May 16, 2007 Bye! Bye!............To the Relaunch of Canaries.co.uk ''offal'' site.I luvs it ''ere! It''s like one big snappy, farm-melee.........Some folk take it so serious and personal (on both sides of the dingley dongs) but, I wouldn''t miss this board for the world.......It''s so full of character (assassinations).Cheerio Joe an'' Co and the luvverly regulars, I''ll miss you all on there - as much as you''ll miss me.....I fully intend to channel all my mature and well thought out articulate posts, to this most excellent forum.........."That''ll learn the club meejah! I bet they''re missing me already!"Anyway, the club meejah and ''others'' contribute to this forum ''incognito'' y''know! So there![8-|] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary Boy 0 Posted May 16, 2007 The whole site looks like a money making scheme, which I suppose is what it is! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ian 1,118 Posted May 16, 2007 It can be excellent, but a lot of what can be done in Flash can be achieved using XHTML and Javascript with a little bit of technical know-how, and which will therefore reach a far greater audience. When you are conveying a lot of information, the benefits of using a markup language designed for just that purpose far outweigh any visual niceties you can get from using a browser plug in.Adding to that, what happens if you want to look at the site on a device which doesn''t have a modern Flash plugin (E.g. mobile phone/PDA), browsers which have custom stylesheets for the visually impaired, or using alternative browsers such as screen readers? Don''t get me wrong, Flash is great for rich media, but in no way comes close to a well designed, modern website with good semantic mark up.Anyway, back to Canaries.co.uk, I simply expected a little more from a company which produces so many of the country''s top football clubs'' websites! Having said that, they simply seem to be a generic proprietry CMS with a different visual design and/or custom features. Bring canaries.co.uk back in-house I say... perhaps we should start a PTV Out campaign, what with the close season and all?! ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,503 Posted May 16, 2007 [quote user="jas the barclay king"][quote user="I. Shurmer"]They really should hire some professionals.The overall site is badly designed and badly engineered. What''s the point in having increase text size buttons if it breaks the site layout? The code isn''t modern, and running it through the validator brings up dozens of coding errors. Hardly an improvement.As for making the site Flash-based Hogesar, you were joking, right?[/quote]a well done site done in Flash with correctly coded Action Script can be excellentjas :)[/quote]Yeah, coding aside, Flash is very user-friendly, and is now very attractive to potential customers of websites. Not only can you pre-load the whole site, so that everything after that loads instantly, its smooth layout and transitions really can make things look nice.Perhaps not ideal for this, however. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ginja 26 Posted May 17, 2007 Just plain awful....which would be a correct representation of the football team then Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AJ 1,218 Posted May 17, 2007 It doesn''t even load properly till about five minutes on my broadband connection browsing in Firefox.....I never use the site, and after reading this thread is the first time i''ve been on there for about half a year!The Pink''un is always my main source of Norwich City News! and indeed any other local football news. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jetstream 0 Posted May 17, 2007 I agree the design of the main site is poor - for something that is meant to inform, it doesn;t seem to have a logical or user-friendly layout.There always were loads of adverts so there''s nothing new there.Many of us on there have been calling for a new forum on the site for some time. I think the most disappointing thing about the new message-board (which is just about the only reason i go on the site) is the manner in which it has been introduced - without warning, all post counts set to zero and old posts deleted (ie all the history gone), and apparently without any testing to see what features work and which don''t (many do not work on any browser other than Internet Explorer)It''s caused a lot of bad feeling amongst regular posters on there.However, saying all that, I''m sure it will survive because it is 99% unmoderated and therefore the banter/argument is quicker - you don''t have to wait for a post to appear and then check back days later to see if anyone answered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
First Wizard 0 Posted May 17, 2007 I dont know what you lot are moaning about..............at least you can log on!.I manage to yesteraday, after re-registing with a new ID and password. But today?, I no longer exist..........again!. What an utter farce its become.I can log on at every web site I''m a member off, even at my Bank, within 45 secs. So why can''t the Club sort this out?.Sod em, I have other things to be getting on with.Its seems to be run on the same lines as the club lately, fitting that!. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ginja 26 Posted May 17, 2007 [quote user="hogesar"]I have seen better to be honest.I can see what they''re trying to achieve.But making a small scroll-box for content very rarely works unless pages have very small content, opposite to what this site has!Theyy should flash-base it all if you ask me.Or go simple, and easy like this site!Terrible! =-)[/quote]Flash is the work of the Devil! [;)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ian 1,118 Posted May 17, 2007 [quote user="jetstream"]Many of us on there have been calling for a new forum on the site for some time. I think the most disappointing thing about the new message-board (which is just about the only reason i go on the site) is the manner in which it has been introduced - without warning, all post counts set to zero and old posts deleted (ie all the history gone)[/quote]This is really disappointing as you say. Not importing old posts and users is crazy. If this is just neglect on the Club''s part, or whoever is responsible for the forum (and I''m guessing PTV) not providing this feature, it is very poor. The old forum has been closed too, so as you say, there is no way of looking at the old post archive.[quote]and apparently without any testing to see what features work and which don''t (many do not work on any browser other than Internet Explorer)[/quote]Again, this is an absolute joke. There is not a great deal that cannot be achieved cross-browser (i.e. IE, Firefox, Opera, KHTML-based) with good design, and a little time and effort - and I can see nothing at all on the site which really cannot be done in this fashion. The so-called "professionals" at PTV should be very ashamed for putting out this shoddily-implemented "upgrade". Then again, they have a guaranteed revenue stream and client base (the clubs), so why should they care about providing a good quality service? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alex_ncfc 643 Posted May 17, 2007 [quote user="jetstream"]I agree the design of the main site is poor - for something that is meant to inform, it doesn;t seem to have a logical or user-friendly layout. There always were loads of adverts so there''s nothing new there. Many of us on there have been calling for a new forum on the site for some time. I think the most disappointing thing about the new message-board (which is just about the only reason i go on the site) is the manner in which it has been introduced - without warning, all post counts set to zero and old posts deleted (ie all the history gone), and apparently without any testing to see what features work and which don''t (many do not work on any browser other than Internet Explorer) It''s caused a lot of bad feeling amongst regular posters on there. However, saying all that, I''m sure it will survive because it is 99% unmoderated and therefore the banter/argument is quicker - you don''t have to wait for a post to appear and then check back days later to see if anyone answered.[/quote]Agreed, I had a quick look on the board there, made one quick post (which has since been removed, some of you might have seen it [;)]) and then decided that was that. What a truly awful message board and site in general, it''s so cluttered now it''s untrue. It''s been said that it should be bought back "in house" but the thing is, I think this is! I don''t think it''s made by PTV, as it seems to stem away from all the other club sites which use that boring, standard PTV layout (with the left sided menus) so I do think this new version was made by someone at the club. It wouldn''t surprise me because it reflects what''s going on on the field at the moment!!Also, like you said, I can''t believe they just went ahead with dumping the old M/B without consulting the fans who use it. Am I right in thinking that posts went back as far as 5 years?Thankfully, PinkUn would never do that to us [:P] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ian 1,118 Posted May 17, 2007 [quote user="alex_ncfc"]I don''t think it''s made by PTV, as it seems to stem away from all the other club sites which use that boring, standard PTV layout (with the left sided menus) so I do think this new version was made by someone at the club. It wouldn''t surprise me because it reflects what''s going on on the field at the moment!![/quote]The URLs are pretty much exactly the same as the old site, which is a dead giveaway for it using the same system. Of course, it could be an in-club graphic design I guess... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Starr 515 Posted May 17, 2007 My honest opinion is that it has rather too much content squeezed into a small area. It''s a little daunting when you first load up. I generally only visit for forums and latest news, and its these two features that should be highlighted large and proud.I don''t mind advertising, provided it''s tied in with the theme of the website. ie... a sports store, on a Norwich site. I really get annoyed with random ads. I don''t wanna log onto my favourite Norwich fansite and be told about American Poker, or getting the best price for my home.Flash will be the way to go, you''re on the right track, i just don''t think you have the balance IMO.Finally... I clicked on "Download our official desktop news alert and get video and text news sent direct to your desktop as and when it happens." and got... Error The page you are trying to reach may have expired, or been moved. If you have followed a link from your bookmarks, please relocate the page and remember to update your bookmarks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites