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[A Load of Squit 6,260]

[quote user="Smudger"]

[quote user="baldyboy"]Smudger you are a prat! what the hell gives you the right to comment on my coaching ability? have you got any qualifications? doubt it, i have . ok maybe we can arrange the said challenge to take place at half time in a game next season at carrow road? or will you expect expenses to appear, and a star dressing room.? bring your coaching certificate with you on the day to.[/quote]

My mate has coaching certificates too... but he would openly admit that I know how to coach a football team better than he does (especially when it comes to tactics, spotting talent and putting a winning team on the pitch)...  We have both successfully coached youth football teams and adult Sunday League footballers several yars ago now.

You may have a coaching certificate but you clearly don''t have a clue... any fool can get a coaching certificate... Peter Grant and Nigel Worthington have plenty of them!!!

and as you have lost the arguement I see that the petty insults are clearly slowly creeping in now too...

Try and arrange it at Carrow Road if you like... they don''t have to give me a ticket to the game (because I would just give them the ticket back anyhow)... if the Carrow Road chiefs are open to putting on such a spectacle then I would be only too pleased to put a few months of training in (to get myself up to some kind of level of fitness) in order to show ladies football up for the clear sham that it is.

Like I said anywhere in Norwich and a few mnonths notice and bring it on!!!

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If you''re not careful you are going to become the ''Jeffrey Archer'' of this board.

My mate has coaching certificates too... but he would openly admit that I know how to coach a football team better than he does (especially when it comes to tactics, spotting talent and putting a winning team on the pitch)...  We have both successfully coached youth football teams and adult Sunday League footballers several yars ago now.

How about some facts to back up these claims.

 

[jetstream 0]

Cluck - thanks for making an exception to address me personally (''wetstream'' - very witty, and obviously on a far higher level to me if I am ''out of my depth'').

Phew, I''m glad you never resort to name-calling!

You don''t know me from Adam (or Eve) yet you make some rather sad joke about me ''growing up'' yet you have no idea how old I am, where I''m from or what my educational background is.

However, from your posts I can see that you are a bitter old misogynist, schooled in the University of Life & Hard Knocks (and with some kind of weird inferiority complex about that which you battle by expressing disdain for anyone who has been educated to virtually any level higher than you), who dislikes change rather than embracing it and is stuck with an outmoded world-view.

Enjoy your retirement. I''m sure you''ll still find plenty to moan about, and plenty of others to blame.

[7rew 0]

"shyster wrote the following post at 28/04/2007 1:29 PM:

"On

the contrary, Cluck, you are not a free-thinker, you have a closed mind

that has been conditioned and programmed by your past experiences. It

seems you are unable to adapt to change and want to remain in your

comfort zone rather than face up to the challenges of the new."

 Do those "new challenges" that you speak of

include having to feel guilt for the Crusades & Colonialism by any

chance? Because that''s what the typical Leftist argument usually boils

down too - atrocities they may well''ve been, but they''re centuries old

and I''d suggest that it''s people like yourself whom should move on with

their thinking - your kind of lateral thinking is the reason why this

country is in pretty poor shape - a condition that has been created by

years of so-called progress via acceptance & adaption to change.

Only if you ever decide to remove those red

blinkers will you realise that your concept of success, hence ultimate

happiness is somewhat difficult to embrace."

Good grief, have you ever listened to any political arguements at all?  I''ve never heard anyone demanding that you feel grief for the crusades or colonialism - the pope (john plaul II) apologised for the crusades and also the spanish inquasition, but incase you have forgotten he was never mistakeable for a left winger.  As for the rest If you are prepared to remove your seven pairs of blue tinted spectacles you may have a think and realise that britian has not had a left wing government (in anything but name - Tony Blair is really not left wing) since 1979 which in turn suggests that blame for the shape of the country might just lie somewhere else.

[Syteanric 1]

[quote user="A Load of Squit"][quote user="Smudger"]

[quote user="baldyboy"]Smudger you are a prat! what the hell gives you the right to comment on my coaching ability? have you got any qualifications? doubt it, i have . ok maybe we can arrange the said challenge to take place at half time in a game next season at carrow road? or will you expect expenses to appear, and a star dressing room.? bring your coaching certificate with you on the day to.[/quote]

My mate has coaching certificates too... but he would openly admit that I know how to coach a football team better than he does (especially when it comes to tactics, spotting talent and putting a winning team on the pitch)...  We have both successfully coached youth football teams and adult Sunday League footballers several yars ago now.

You may have a coaching certificate but you clearly don''t have a clue... any fool can get a coaching certificate... Peter Grant and Nigel Worthington have plenty of them!!!

and as you have lost the arguement I see that the petty insults are clearly slowly creeping in now too...

Try and arrange it at Carrow Road if you like... they don''t have to give me a ticket to the game (because I would just give them the ticket back anyhow)... if the Carrow Road chiefs are open to putting on such a spectacle then I would be only too pleased to put a few months of training in (to get myself up to some kind of level of fitness) in order to show ladies football up for the clear sham that it is.

Like I said anywhere in Norwich and a few mnonths notice and bring it on!!!

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If you''re not careful you are going to become the ''Jeffrey Archer'' of this board.

My mate has coaching certificates too... but he would openly admit that I know how to coach a football team better than he does (especially when it comes to tactics, spotting talent and putting a winning team on the pitch)...  We have both successfully coached youth football teams and adult Sunday League footballers several yars ago now.

How about some facts to back up these claims.

 

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Smudger "doesnt need to back up his claims" squit.... u could predict the response even now

jas :)

[Cluck 0]

[quote user="jetstream"]Cluck - thanks for making an exception to address me personally (''wetstream'' - very witty, and obviously on a far higher level to me if I am ''out of my depth''). Phew, I''m glad you never resort to name-calling! You don''t know me from Adam (or Eve) yet you make some rather sad joke about me ''growing up'' yet you have no idea how old I am, where I''m from or what my educational background is. However, from your posts I can see that you are a bitter old misogynist, schooled in the University of Life & Hard Knocks (and with some kind of weird inferiority complex about that which you battle by expressing disdain for anyone who has been educated to virtually any level higher than you), who dislikes change rather than embracing it and is stuck with an outmoded world-view. Enjoy your retirement. I''m sure you''ll still find plenty to moan about, and plenty of others to blame.[/quote]

Oh....quite a little tantram wetstream....and I did say I would make an exception for you on the insult front.  I may not "know you" but your petulant tone speaks volumes about your character. Stick to boot designs and fantasy formations...much more your territory.

Like I''ve said...come back when you''re ready..................

[Cluck 0]

[quote user="7rew"]

"shyster wrote the following post at 28/04/2007 1:29 PM:

"On the contrary, Cluck, you are not a free-thinker, you have a closed mind that has been conditioned and programmed by your past experiences. It seems you are unable to adapt to change and want to remain in your comfort zone rather than face up to the challenges of the new."

 Do those "new challenges" that you speak of include having to feel guilt for the Crusades & Colonialism by any chance? Because that''s what the typical Leftist argument usually boils down too - atrocities they may well''ve been, but they''re centuries old and I''d suggest that it''s people like yourself whom should move on with their thinking - your kind of lateral thinking is the reason why this country is in pretty poor shape - a condition that has been created by years of so-called progress via acceptance & adaption to change.

Only if you ever decide to remove those red blinkers will you realise that your concept of success, hence ultimate happiness is somewhat difficult to embrace."

Good grief, have you ever listened to any political arguements at all?  I''ve never heard anyone demanding that you feel grief for the crusades or colonialism - the pope (john plaul II) apologised for the crusades and also the spanish inquasition, but incase you have forgotten he was never mistakeable for a left winger.  As for the rest If you are prepared to remove your seven pairs of blue tinted spectacles you may have a think and realise that britian has not had a left wing government (in anything but name - Tony Blair is really not left wing) since 1979 which in turn suggests that blame for the shape of the country might just lie somewhere else.

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That was boring 7rew......

You really do quite fancy yourself as some kind of philosopher don''t you?....yet you''re barely out of nappies.  Experience life a bit and come back to me when you''ve come to realise that the "classroom" world  bears no comparison to the "real" world.

Experience is what I base my opinions on....not the words of some beardy lecturer who failed at everything else and ended up brainwashing children for a living.

Sadly you know "nowt" yet.....so stop trying to analyse what is still to you only a theory.

[Smudger 0]

[quote user="jas the barclay king"][quote user="Smudger"]

[quote user="jetstream"]Smudger - the word ''bottler'' springs to mind. Cluck - I despair. You "do not try to speak for others"? If you don''t like something you "leave it alone"? You are "not trying to "change" anyone or anything"? So what have your thousands of posts about the Club/Delia all been about then??? And the absolute classic "My mind is wide open thank you" Hang on, I''ve just got to go and stitch my sides back together.[/quote]

I am no bottler...

They through down the challenge so they either do it on my terms or not at all... simple as!!!

To say imply anything else is similar to the child in the playground.... you know the ones... the ones that square up for a fight as long as it is on their territory and they have their little gang with them.

Like I said...  I am open to the challenge but I am not the one who made it (I have better things to do with my valuable time).

The offer is still there for them to try and prove their point if that is what they want to do... but I will not be travelling any further than the City boundaries in order to take them up on their offer...  I am not waisting more than an hour of my valauble time and any more than a couple of £''s in order to prove my side of the debate

Aftrer all my side of the debate is a personal opinion on the state of the ladies game verses that of the male''s game...

If they want to make the point personal then there are plenty of fields in Norwich that we could still arange this spectacular to be staged on!!!

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Smudgers scared.. simple as.... I for one wont be taking you seriosly anymore!

if someone issues you a challenge which you know your going to win, then why not do it??? why look for an excuse? surely the satisfaction of seeing the look on so many peoples faces (plus money for charity) is a motivator for getting up your backside and doing it...

 jas :)

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Are you willing to pick me up and drive me to Marham then JAS coz I don''t currently have any transport to use...

Like I said if they want to issue the challenge then I am happy to take them up on it in Norwich.

Not looking for an excuse but can''t be arsed to waste more than an hour of my valuable time on them at the moment.

oh and just for the record... I have never taken most of what you say seriously... from what I have seen and heard from you... you are one of the biggest bandwagon jumpers that the East has ever seen!!!

[Smudger 0]

So then JAS...

There you have it... get Baldyboy to name the date... in Norwich and on a weekend sometime after the 20th of June (all my weekends are taken up until then) and I will only be too happy to show these girls how c**p they are!!!

oh and don''t get upset if a couple of your ladies have injuries for the start of the new season Baldyboy (because you really should of known better).

[Smudger 0]

hoo hoo hoo Baldyboy you make me laugh so much...

Are these the words that a world class coaching qualification leads you to???

Quotes taken from the Match Stats thread...

warner 6 needs to work on his distribution but wont mind if hes signed permanently      Probably better than c**ppy Gallagher yes, but still useless and no way near good enough... I would rather us play Joe Lewis that sign Warner

hughes 6 ok but had no help with the goal trying to mark two players                            Hughes is a c**p midfielder playing out of position... apart from dtermination and aggression he has none of the attributes a full-back should have

drury 4 shocking worst ive ever seen him

dublin 8 mom won everything in air

shax 6 solid but must try to play his way out of trouble better

martin 4 felt sorry for him as he looked clueless on the wing

fotheringham 4 what a waste of a contract does he ever do anything good?                 A 4 from one of the players who you were raving about only3 short months ago (say no more)

etuhu 6 better when spillane on to allow him to go forward more

lappin 5 did very little                                                                                                As per Fotheringham

huckerby 6 again put lots of effort in but lacked any help

earnshaw 5 doesnt look fit should have been on bench

subs

spillane 7 was very good when came on got stuck in and allowed etuhu to go forward more, why was fozzy preferred to him?

renton 5 did ok                                                                                                        Why give him a 5 if he did ok???. A 5 is a c**p performance by my standards!!!

 

grant 4 his subs are strange and why does he persist in playing unfit players?

Tell me Baldy... are your ladies gunning for promotion this year or are they at the other end of the table by any chance???

[Syteanric 1]

[quote user="Smudger"][quote user="jas the barclay king"][quote user="Smudger"]

[quote user="jetstream"]Smudger - the word ''bottler'' springs to mind. Cluck - I despair. You "do not try to speak for others"? If you don''t like something you "leave it alone"? You are "not trying to "change" anyone or anything"? So what have your thousands of posts about the Club/Delia all been about then??? And the absolute classic "My mind is wide open thank you" Hang on, I''ve just got to go and stitch my sides back together.[/quote]

I am no bottler...

They through down the challenge so they either do it on my terms or not at all... simple as!!!

To say imply anything else is similar to the child in the playground.... you know the ones... the ones that square up for a fight as long as it is on their territory and they have their little gang with them.

Like I said...  I am open to the challenge but I am not the one who made it (I have better things to do with my valuable time).

The offer is still there for them to try and prove their point if that is what they want to do... but I will not be travelling any further than the City boundaries in order to take them up on their offer...  I am not waisting more than an hour of my valauble time and any more than a couple of £''s in order to prove my side of the debate

Aftrer all my side of the debate is a personal opinion on the state of the ladies game verses that of the male''s game...

If they want to make the point personal then there are plenty of fields in Norwich that we could still arange this spectacular to be staged on!!!

[/quote]

Smudgers scared.. simple as.... I for one wont be taking you seriosly anymore!

if someone issues you a challenge which you know your going to win, then why not do it??? why look for an excuse? surely the satisfaction of seeing the look on so many peoples faces (plus money for charity) is a motivator for getting up your backside and doing it...

 jas :)

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Are you willing to pick me up and drive me to Marham then JAS coz I don''t currently have any transport to use...

Like I said if they want to issue the challenge then I am happy to take them up on it in Norwich.

Not looking for an excuse but can''t be arsed to waste more than an hour of my valuable time on them at the moment.

oh and just for the record... I have never taken most of what you say seriously... from what I have seen and heard from you... you are one of the biggest bandwagon jumpers that the East has ever seen!!!

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yep ok.. when do u want picking up?

set up a time with Baldyboy... im sure we can then come to some agreement.

bandwagon Jumper? i am a man of my own principal, when have i jumped on a bandwagon? I was one of the first Worthy outers, i back Grant, i have only become disatisfied with Drury since his perfrmances have dipped.... in what way have i jumped the bandwagon?

jas :)

 

[Smudger 0]

[quote user="jas the barclay king"][quote user="Smudger"][quote user="jas the barclay king"][quote user="Smudger"]

[quote user="jetstream"]Smudger - the word ''bottler'' springs to mind. Cluck - I despair. You "do not try to speak for others"? If you don''t like something you "leave it alone"? You are "not trying to "change" anyone or anything"? So what have your thousands of posts about the Club/Delia all been about then??? And the absolute classic "My mind is wide open thank you" Hang on, I''ve just got to go and stitch my sides back together.[/quote]

I am no bottler...

They through down the challenge so they either do it on my terms or not at all... simple as!!!

To say imply anything else is similar to the child in the playground.... you know the ones... the ones that square up for a fight as long as it is on their territory and they have their little gang with them.

Like I said...  I am open to the challenge but I am not the one who made it (I have better things to do with my valuable time).

The offer is still there for them to try and prove their point if that is what they want to do... but I will not be travelling any further than the City boundaries in order to take them up on their offer...  I am not waisting more than an hour of my valauble time and any more than a couple of £''s in order to prove my side of the debate

Aftrer all my side of the debate is a personal opinion on the state of the ladies game verses that of the male''s game...

If they want to make the point personal then there are plenty of fields in Norwich that we could still arange this spectacular to be staged on!!!

[/quote]

Smudgers scared.. simple as.... I for one wont be taking you seriosly anymore!

if someone issues you a challenge which you know your going to win, then why not do it??? why look for an excuse? surely the satisfaction of seeing the look on so many peoples faces (plus money for charity) is a motivator for getting up your backside and doing it...

 jas :)

[/quote]

Are you willing to pick me up and drive me to Marham then JAS coz I don''t currently have any transport to use...

Like I said if they want to issue the challenge then I am happy to take them up on it in Norwich.

Not looking for an excuse but can''t be arsed to waste more than an hour of my valuable time on them at the moment.

oh and just for the record... I have never taken most of what you say seriously... from what I have seen and heard from you... you are one of the biggest bandwagon jumpers that the East has ever seen!!!

[/quote]

yep ok.. when do u want picking up?

set up a time with Baldyboy... im sure we can then come to some agreement.

bandwagon Jumper? i am a man of my own principal, when have i jumped on a bandwagon? I was one of the first Worthy outers, i back Grant, i have only become disatisfied with Drury since his perfrmances have dipped.... in what way have i jumped the bandwagon?

jas :)

 

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I remember your impassioned speech at St Andrews Hall JAS...  I will agree that you were prepared to voice opinion on Worthy before many others were... but to say that you were one of the first to voice an opinion???

I went to the St Andrews Hall that night and sat there peeing myself in hysterics... could not see the point of the whole event and the way in which they tried to put pressure on the baord to sack him was an absolute joke...  NICSA were far too nice about the whole affair if you ask me... The whole Worthy Out affair dragged on so long that it was a laughing stock...  something should of been done at least 6months prior to that night at St Andrews.

How long will you back Grant for???  Bet you will only back him until a majority have voiced an opinion about giving him the heave ho!!!

Thanks for the offer of the lift... but you would probably leave me there after you have had to stump up your £50 for charity... so I will wait for Baldyboy to confirm whether he is prepared to stage an event in Norwich.

Anyhow what would be the rules of this competition?  

Would we have a referee?

What exactly would the girls need to do in order to beat me (ie how far would they have to run)??? 

What about fouls etc... ie do I have to take every ball cleanly?  or can I take ball and girl at the same time???

[jetstream 0]

"boot designs and fantasy formations"???

I''m not sure quite what you''re saying here, sorry for being so dim. Obviously wit at a far higher level than anyone can understand.

I know you like the have the last word so fair enough, go ahead, I''ll let you have it.

I''m off to ''grow up a little''. :o)

p.s. can I just say what an honour it is to have been singled out by such an illustrious poster for a special nickname and a personal insult.

[Kolin Kob 0]

Cluck, I think you''ll find that it was actually Shyster who brought up the crusades / colonialism / left-right topic, in defence of YOUR side of the argument. Read the posts a bit more carefully.

By the tone of your comments you sound like a bitter old man, resentful of the fact that you don''t understand the criticisms which are thrown your way, and so are willing to dismiss them as lefty academic nonsense. Of course, the fact that you are (possibly, who knows?) older than other posters does mean that we should respect your experience, but not if you speak in a way which suggests you should have a monopoly on opinion just because you''ve lived for longer. This kind of attitude just makes you sound sad for having lived for such a long time but still not learnt to open your mind and take on others'' opinions in the framework of a rational debate.

[quote user="Cluck "][quote user="7rew"]

"shyster wrote the following post at 28/04/2007 1:29 PM:

"On the contrary, Cluck, you are not a free-thinker, you have a closed mind that has been conditioned and programmed by your past experiences. It seems you are unable to adapt to change and want to remain in your comfort zone rather than face up to the challenges of the new."

 Do those "new challenges" that you speak of include having to feel guilt for the Crusades & Colonialism by any chance? Because that''s what the typical Leftist argument usually boils down too - atrocities they may well''ve been, but they''re centuries old and I''d suggest that it''s people like yourself whom should move on with their thinking - your kind of lateral thinking is the reason why this country is in pretty poor shape - a condition that has been created by years of so-called progress via acceptance & adaption to change.

Only if you ever decide to remove those red blinkers will you realise that your concept of success, hence ultimate happiness is somewhat difficult to embrace."

Good grief, have you ever listened to any political arguements at all?  I''ve never heard anyone demanding that you feel grief for the crusades or colonialism - the pope (john plaul II) apologised for the crusades and also the spanish inquasition, but incase you have forgotten he was never mistakeable for a left winger.  As for the rest If you are prepared to remove your seven pairs of blue tinted spectacles you may have a think and realise that britian has not had a left wing government (in anything but name - Tony Blair is really not left wing) since 1979 which in turn suggests that blame for the shape of the country might just lie somewhere else.

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That was boring 7rew......

You really do quite fancy yourself as some kind of philosopher don''t you?....yet you''re barely out of nappies.  Experience life a bit and come back to me when you''ve come to realise that the "classroom" world  bears no comparison to the "real" world.

Experience is what I base my opinions on....not the words of some beardy lecturer who failed at everything else and ended up brainwashing children for a living.

Sadly you know "nowt" yet.....so stop trying to analyse what is still to you only a theory.

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[Kolin Kob 0]

These are some interesting points, Shyster, which are well argued. Though I agree that freedoms of speech, opinion, etc. are a valuable weapon against tyranny, I would differ with you in that I don''t believe there to be such a thing as political correctness in the way that you view it. Even incumbent politicians these days decry political correctness, and the idea of a leviathan-type body, or leftist mob, censoring public debate and opinion by choosing the words we use and think is a fantasy (I am pleased to say). The reason the words you mention are omitted from the voice of the media is, as you say, because they cause offence, and personally I believe this to be a good reason in part.

Offence caused to different groups in society (particularly minority groups), and language used which might serve to marginalise them, should be discouraged, as it projects just one image of how we should be in order to fit in and be an active member of society. Such a one-size-fits-all model of citizenship and humanity which is encouraged by the use of such words is in fact the root of tyranny and totalitarianism.

In calling a black man a n***er, for example, you may well be expressing your freedom to say this word, but I am not personally of the opinion that the freedom to use a particular word should be prioritised over the avoidance of the stigmatisation which is caused by the use of this word in society. (By the way, I don''t accuse you of using this word, I''m just using it as a hypothetical example).

I look forward to hearing your reply.

[quote user="shyster"]

"Do you honestly, hand on heart, believe that it was a notion of political correctness which allowed the Nazis to commit their atrocities? If so, I am concerned."

 

Let''s put history aside awhile and talk about present day: do you, hand on heart, seriously believe that everything is hunky dory within todays society? Political Correctness is to restate the crucial importance of plain speaking, freedom of choice and freedom of speech; these are the community''s safe-guards against the imposition of tyranny, indeed their absence is tyranny, which is why any such restrictions on expression such as those invoked by the laws of libel, slander and public decency, are grave matters to be decided by common law methodology; not by the dictates of the leftist mob.

The declared rational of this tyranny is to prevent people being offended; to compel everyone to avoid using words or behaviour that may upset homosexuals, women, non-whites, the crippled, the stupid, the fat or the ugly. This reveals not only its absurdity but its inspiration. The set of values that are detested are those held by the previous generation (those who fought the Second World War), which is why the terms n*** ers, c**ns, d*gos, w**s, p**fs, sp****cs and sheilas, have become heresy, for, in an act of infantile rebellion, their subject have become revered by the new generation. Political Correctness is merely the resentment of spoilt children directed against their parent''s values.

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[Cluck 0]

[quote user="Kolin Kob"]

Cluck, I think you''ll find that it was actually Shyster who brought up the crusades / colonialism / left-right topic, in defence of YOUR side of the argument. Read the posts a bit more carefully.

By the tone of your comments you sound like a bitter old man, resentful of the fact that you don''t understand the criticisms which are thrown your way, and so are willing to dismiss them as lefty academic nonsense. Of course, the fact that you are (possibly, who knows?) older than other posters does mean that we should respect your experience, but not if you speak in a way which suggests you should have a monopoly on opinion just because you''ve lived for longer. This kind of attitude just makes you sound sad for having lived for such a long time but still not learnt to open your mind and take on others'' opinions in the framework of a rational debate.

[quote user="Cluck "][quote user="7rew"]

"shyster wrote the following post at 28/04/2007 1:29 PM:

"On the contrary, Cluck, you are not a free-thinker, you have a closed mind that has been conditioned and programmed by your past experiences. It seems you are unable to adapt to change and want to remain in your comfort zone rather than face up to the challenges of the new."

 Do those "new challenges" that you speak of include having to feel guilt for the Crusades & Colonialism by any chance? Because that''s what the typical Leftist argument usually boils down too - atrocities they may well''ve been, but they''re centuries old and I''d suggest that it''s people like yourself whom should move on with their thinking - your kind of lateral thinking is the reason why this country is in pretty poor shape - a condition that has been created by years of so-called progress via acceptance & adaption to change.

Only if you ever decide to remove those red blinkers will you realise that your concept of success, hence ultimate happiness is somewhat difficult to embrace."

Good grief, have you ever listened to any political arguements at all?  I''ve never heard anyone demanding that you feel grief for the crusades or colonialism - the pope (john plaul II) apologised for the crusades and also the spanish inquasition, but incase you have forgotten he was never mistakeable for a left winger.  As for the rest If you are prepared to remove your seven pairs of blue tinted spectacles you may have a think and realise that britian has not had a left wing government (in anything but name - Tony Blair is really not left wing) since 1979 which in turn suggests that blame for the shape of the country might just lie somewhere else.

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That was boring 7rew......

You really do quite fancy yourself as some kind of philosopher don''t you?....yet you''re barely out of nappies.  Experience life a bit and come back to me when you''ve come to realise that the "classroom" world  bears no comparison to the "real" world.

Experience is what I base my opinions on....not the words of some beardy lecturer who failed at everything else and ended up brainwashing children for a living.

Sadly you know "nowt" yet.....so stop trying to analyse what is still to you only a theory.

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Or......put another way........you think I should change my line of thought to yours (and the rest of the parrots).

No thanks....I''m doing just fine as I am. Sadly for you some of us just don''t do as predicted do we?....which only proves that the "clones" haven''t inherited the Earth just yet anyway.

 

[macdougalls perm 0]

So we''re parrots and sheep now are we, lol? Any other anthropomorphic name calling you want to get off your chest? You can try and phrase it how you like but it seems as though, to the majority of posters who read this board, you have just made yourself seem very small minded and bitter.

And, no, I am not saying that you are either of those things, just that this is how you make yourself seem.

Which particular ''experience'' in the great school of life has made you (despite your great wealth) so resentful/afraid of women?

I now expect an answer which accuses me of being a pc bully/effeminate/ignorant/childish/gay/mummy''s boy/sheep/an overeducated brainwashed lefty or perhaps all of the above? [:D]       

[Jerzy Krukowski 5]

[quote user="Cluck "]

No thanks....I''m doing just fine as I am. Sadly

for you some of us just don''t do as predicted do we?....which only

proves that the "clones" haven''t inherited the Earth just yet

anyway.

[/quote]

Sad thing is, you do exactly as predicted, I actually think your

replies are generated by a Sunday Mail text rant engine.  Keep

polishing the grey slips-ons ey.

[blahblahblah 2]

[quote user="cluck"]blah blah mysoginistic rant blah rubbish blah angry old man blah blah blah mid-life crisis blah blah crucify the chinese for 50p an hour blah blah blah bought myself a bought lovely Porsche.  blah blah blah wife doesn''t understand my mistress, blah blah blah she is Polish I suppose.  Anyway, you''re all a bunch of squeaky sheep binners who live underneath Delias'' skirt.  Why does no-one agree with me ?  I wash my hands of you all.[/quote]And there was me thinking about 3 pages and 2 decades ago, that I was the one getting the last word.Any resemblance to football-related chat on this thread is purely coincidental.

[Kolin Kob 0]

No, I''m just suggesting that you use some reasoned debate to put your viewpoint across, as many others have done. A lot of people on this board have contributed to this argument in a fair and rationed way, from both sides of he fnce, but you always seem to be trying to be antagonistic.

[quote user="Cluck "][quote user="Kolin Kob"] 

Cluck, I think you''ll find that it was actually Shyster who brought up the crusades / colonialism / left-right topic, in defence of YOUR side of the argument. Read the posts a bit more carefully.

By the tone of your comments you sound like a bitter old man, resentful of the fact that you don''t understand the criticisms which are thrown your way, and so are willing to dismiss them as lefty academic nonsense. Of course, the fact that you are (possibly, who knows?) older than other posters does mean that we should respect your experience, but not if you speak in a way which suggests you should have a monopoly on opinion just because you''ve lived for longer. This kind of attitude just makes you sound sad for having lived for such a long time but still not learnt to open your mind and take on others'' opinions in the framework of a rational debate.

[quote user="Cluck "][quote user="7rew"]

"shyster wrote the following post at 28/04/2007 1:29 PM:

"On the contrary, Cluck, you are not a free-thinker, you have a closed mind that has been conditioned and programmed by your past experiences. It seems you are unable to adapt to change and want to remain in your comfort zone rather than face up to the challenges of the new."

 Do those "new challenges" that you speak of include having to feel guilt for the Crusades & Colonialism by any chance? Because that''s what the typical Leftist argument usually boils down too - atrocities they may well''ve been, but they''re centuries old and I''d suggest that it''s people like yourself whom should move on with their thinking - your kind of lateral thinking is the reason why this country is in pretty poor shape - a condition that has been created by years of so-called progress via acceptance & adaption to change.

Only if you ever decide to remove those red blinkers will you realise that your concept of success, hence ultimate happiness is somewhat difficult to embrace."

Good grief, have you ever listened to any political arguements at all?  I''ve never heard anyone demanding that you feel grief for the crusades or colonialism - the pope (john plaul II) apologised for the crusades and also the spanish inquasition, but incase you have forgotten he was never mistakeable for a left winger.  As for the rest If you are prepared to remove your seven pairs of blue tinted spectacles you may have a think and realise that britian has not had a left wing government (in anything but name - Tony Blair is really not left wing) since 1979 which in turn suggests that blame for the shape of the country might just lie somewhere else.

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That was boring 7rew......

You really do quite fancy yourself as some kind of philosopher don''t you?....yet you''re barely out of nappies.  Experience life a bit and come back to me when you''ve come to realise that the "classroom" world  bears no comparison to the "real" world.

Experience is what I base my opinions on....not the words of some beardy lecturer who failed at everything else and ended up brainwashing children for a living.

Sadly you know "nowt" yet.....so stop trying to analyse what is still to you only a theory.

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Or......put another way........you think I should change my line of thought to yours (and the rest of the parrots).

No thanks....I''m doing just fine as I am. Sadly for you some of us just don''t do as predicted do we?....which only proves that the "clones" haven''t inherited the Earth just yet anyway.

 

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[7rew 0]

Cluck, I may be "barely out of nappies", but at least I won''t be having to wear them again for a long time, unlike some. Otherwise, yes I am a natural philosopher, and my oponions in this case are entirely based on the media not the classroom - I could find links if you like (apart from the negative which would be unproveable).

[mbncfc 1]

Crumbs, this thread is like Rasputin...

(not our poster!)

[Cluck 0]

I know you''re used to getting your own way in life these days kiddywinkies...(thanks largely to the nanny state the polically correct "lefties" are so busy creating)......but sometimes there are certain people who don''t back down....and who don''t rely on the biased news or internet to form judgements. Yep....I''m one of them.

Live with it......because like it or not, you''re inexperienced and still full of undiluted testosterone and only when the spots have disappeared completely will you resemble anything even beginning to approach maturity. At that point when mummy isn''t making your bed anymore or ironing your "Arctic Monkeys" T-shirts before you go out...you might actually realise half of what you are saying is almost comical.

As for being older?  Well you tiddlers have got to actually manage to reach my age...and the way you are going I somehow wonder if half of you will.

 

[blahblahblah 2]

Mr and Mrs Moderators,

Could you change the thread title to "Avuse Thread" please ?  Then we might have a title befitting of the content.

And if maturity = arrogance and comtempt for youth, quite frankly you can keep it Cluck old boy [:)]

[Kolin Kob 0]

Age is no reason for not engaging fairly in debate, listening to others'' opinions and taking on a patronising attitude. You are just giving people more reasons not to listen to your opinions or take you seriously.

Age should not be respected for its own sake, only the wisdom which normally accompanies age. And may I suggest you are showing very little of that wisdom indeed by taking on this condescending, agressive, anti-youth, anti-intellectual stance.

[quote user="Cluck "]

I know you''re used to getting your own way in life these days kiddywinkies...(thanks largely to the nanny state the polically correct "lefties" are so busy creating)......but sometimes there are certain people who don''t back down....and who don''t rely on the biased news or internet to form judgements. Yep....I''m one of them.

Live with it......because like it or not, you''re inexperienced and still full of undiluted testosterone and only when the spots have disappeared completely will you resemble anything even beginning to approach maturity. At that point when mummy isn''t making your bed anymore or ironing your "Arctic Monkeys" T-shirts before you go out...you might actually realise half of what you are saying is almost comical.

As for being older?  Well you tiddlers have got to actually manage to reach my age...and the way you are going I somehow wonder if half of you will.

 

[/quote]

[Evil Monkey 52]

[quote user="blahblahblah"]

Mr and Mrs Moderators,

Could you change the thread title to "Avuse Thread" please ?  Then we might have a title befitting of the content.

And if maturity = arrogance and comtempt for youth, quite frankly you can keep it Cluck old boy [:)]

[/quote]I agree, Blah (though I''m sure you meant "abuse") [;)]If "growing up" and learning from the "school of hard knocks" turns you into a grizzled old sourpus with a mother complex then I think I''ll stay at Man Met, thank you... [:)]

[Kolin Kob 0]

One more thing, can you tell me in which way exactly the internet is biased? The internet may have many flaws, but the fact that it is an unbiased, uncontrolled medium on the whole is what gives it an advantage over other forms of media.

[quote user="Cluck "]

I know you''re used to getting your own way in life these days kiddywinkies...(thanks largely to the nanny state the polically correct "lefties" are so busy creating)......but sometimes there are certain people who don''t back down....and who don''t rely on the biased news or internet to form judgements. Yep....I''m one of them.

Live with it......because like it or not, you''re inexperienced and still full of undiluted testosterone and only when the spots have disappeared completely will you resemble anything even beginning to approach maturity. At that point when mummy isn''t making your bed anymore or ironing your "Arctic Monkeys" T-shirts before you go out...you might actually realise half of what you are saying is almost comical.

As for being older?  Well you tiddlers have got to actually manage to reach my age...and the way you are going I somehow wonder if half of you will.

 

[/quote]

[Smudger 0]

Can all you girls turn it in at bury this thread now???

I know it is probably more exciting than what has been going on at Carrow Road lately... but 12 pages????

oh and Cluck spot winding them up will you??? (NB - the intentional typo)

Unless Baldyboy has something to say then this thread has just died as far as I am concerned!!!  [|-)]

[Cluck 0]

[quote user="Evil Monkey"][quote user="blahblahblah"]

Mr and Mrs Moderators,

Could you change the thread title to "Avuse Thread" please ?  Then we might have a title befitting of the content.

And if maturity = arrogance and comtempt for youth, quite frankly you can keep it Cluck old boy [:)]

[/quote]

I agree, Blah (though I''m sure you meant "abuse") [;)]

If "growing up" and learning from the "school of hard knocks" turns you into a grizzled old sourpus with a mother complex then I think I''ll stay at Man Met, thank you... [:)]
[/quote]

Finally you''ve arrived EM.....my favouritest sparring partner!  [:)] Took you long enough didn''t it?

Well....you''ll all be delighted to know that I shall be departing these pages following our final game....because no longer being a "paying" member of the club after that date, I would feel rather a fraud spending time banging the drum for change. Whatever will be will be.........

I think I''ve done enough on this subject now guys.....and for me I guess it will be nice to know that I''ve gone out on a "high".  Just a few more days then and it will all be over....and you can all get back to believing the unbelievable once again totally undisturbed.....apart from maybe that is.... Smudger...Wizard...Mello...BlyBly...Shyster...Alex...Grumpy...Rick...Mystic...etc etc.   Blimey....maybe it won''t be so totally undisturbed after all!        [;)] 

Perhaps one little thing you might learn as you get older though....and that is not to take loyalties too seriously.  Note how none of the older guys/gals chipped in?   Don''t you think that''s a little odd?  Rather like fishing...the tiddlers jump on the hook a few times until they get wise...then they swim nonchalently by. 

[Hairy Canary 774]

[quote user="Cluck "]

I know you''re used to getting your own way in life these days kiddywinkies...(thanks largely to the nanny state the polically correct "lefties" are so busy creating)......but sometimes there are certain people who don''t back down....and who don''t rely on the biased news or internet to form judgements. Yep....I''m one of them.

Live with it......because like it or not, you''re inexperienced and still full of undiluted testosterone and only when the spots have disappeared completely will you resemble anything even beginning to approach maturity. At that point when mummy isn''t making your bed anymore or ironing your "Arctic Monkeys" T-shirts before you go out...you might actually realise half of what you are saying is almost comical.

As for being older?  Well you tiddlers have got to actually manage to reach my age...and the way you are going I somehow wonder if half of you will.

 

[/quote]

Hang on here, I take exception to the way to are portraying older people in this thread Cluck! I''m coming up to 60 this year and I would just like the other posters out there to know that not all older people "mature" into patronising, intolerant, stuck in the dark age cynics.

In MY experience everybody starts with their genetic character which is then moulded by what you take from lifes experiences. Either you were born a grumpy old man Cluck or you have had some bad experiences somewhere along the line. Some of us are more fortunate.

[sheded 0]

How did you get here?
		Eventually. After four years in intellectual property, I decided to change career and retrain as a journalist. It all stemmed from a nasty knee injury playing football which meant I had to give up playing sport and chose to fill the gap by reporting on it instead. I started with hospital radio, evening courses, a postgrad in broadcast journalism, Radio Leeds, BBC London and eventually Five Live

Part of Oatley`s biography 

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So she HAS played football ! albeit  how the hell did she get injured playing womens football ?     they tackle like big girls blouses  LOL .

Men or women  I don`t give a damn !   what REALLY pisses me off ,  is   when they gabble away  while I`m trying to concentrate on the match ....   FFS  I  just want to know who`s got the ball  ......   not listen to  a prat   talking  about a players hair style  , etc,   most of these commentators  just don`t know their job  , can`t be bothered to learn who the players names are  ,  and seem mainly concerned to exert  their " personality "   on the game , whether we like it or not !  

And cameramen /women    , WHY do we have to  endure long spells  of   watching  the ugly mugs  of  managers ?   ( this while the match is still on !! )     they are usually butt ugly  , and close ups   of Fergie`s mouth going ninety to the dozen   really makes me drop whatever I`m eating ! [pi]      Think that qualifies as a rant ?[:D]