norfolkbroadslim 223 Posted February 23, 2007 Championship League Form Last 10 games home and away.1 West Brom8112012+8252 Sunderland721184+14233 Derby62297+2204 Wolves622148+6205 Birmingham532169+7186 Preston6041412+2187 Crystal Palace442138+5168 Southampton442159+6169 Cardiff442129+31610 Leicester4331210+21511 Southend4331410+41512 Colchester4241513+21413 Stoke343119+21314 Hull3341113-21215 Barnsley 4061016-61216 Leeds3251014-41117 Ipswich316612-61018 Luton2441216-41019 Plymouth2441416-21020 QPR316715-81021 Coventry2261120-9822 Norwich2261016-6823 Sheff Wed2261620-4824 Burnley037312-93Championship league form last 6 home games - 1 West Brom510136+7162 Sunderland41191+8133 Preston402106+4124 Southampton321105+5115 Birmingham321108+2116 Colchester321106+4117 Luton32185+3118 Cardiff32185+3119 Plymouth32185+31110 Derby31256-11011 Crystal Palace31286+21012 QPR30366+0913 Barnsley 30367-1914 Hull303107+3915 Ipswich30356-1916 Southend303108+2917 Leeds22266+0818 Wolves222109+1819 Leicester22277+0820 Coventry222910-1821 Norwich21357-2722 Stoke14165+1723 Burnley13256-1624 Sheff Wed1141016-64Championship league form last 6 away games -1 Derby41152+3132 Wolves41173+4133 West Brom321109+1114 Sunderland321116+5115 Leicester31287+1106 Birmingham312126+6107 Crystal Palace23175+298 Preston30389-199 Stoke30367-1910 Southend23167-1911 Sheff Wed21398+1712 Southampton13299+0613 Cardiff13258-3614 Hull13258-3615 Colchester20489-1616 Plymouth123811-3517 Ipswich12348-4518 Luton033611-5319 Barnsley 105412-8320 Leeds105410-6321 Burnley01529-7122 QPR015212-10123 Coventry015316-13124 Norwich015613-71 The above tables are not made up, they are not fantasy, they are cold hard facts, showing very recent form.The most interesting point to note for me is that out of the teams from Norwich 18th down to 24th in the Championship, we have the worst form, in all of the tables above. The form book to me, and with our current heavily depleated squad through injuries, suggests that we will struggle to avoid the drop, if we do avoid it.I hate it when our players come out spouting rubbish that we will win 3 or 4 games in a short space of time and move away from the drop zone and be comfortable. This is rubbish.Why are there so many people wearing rose tinted spectacles on this board, wake up and smell the coffee!Norwich and Burnley will get dragged right into this and I mean 1 or 2 points above the drop zone before too long and by the end of the season it will be no suprise to me to see us heading to league one.Currently there are not 6 worse teams than us in this league. They may be below us in the table, but not for much longer.If we lose or draw to Coventry we will be pretty much there or there abouts hovering above the bottom three. We will do mightily well to get anything more than 1 point from the next 2 away games, our current away form suggests this, perhaps then those daydreamers will take off their rosy glasses and smell the coffee!!* 2007 - 2008 Norwich City - On loan to league one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJP 79 Posted February 23, 2007 I''d rather be a Day-dream Believer than a Doom Merchant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,506 Posted February 23, 2007 You maybe right. But how many more ways are there of saying we are in danger of being relegated? Who on here doesn''t see that danger?The tables aren''t accurate even though the danger of relegation is there.I will state on here now that although I can see the danger of relegation it''s my considered opinion we won''t be relegated. Do you think we will? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sing, Sing, wherever you may be... 0 Posted February 23, 2007 you make a very good point, which is quite refreshing for most of the dim wits on here Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Machine 0 Posted February 23, 2007 Yeah we are bang in trouble but the fact teams like QPR, HULL, SOUTHEND, LEEDS look unable to pick up points should save us!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ginja 26 Posted February 23, 2007 So whats your plan? or are you just posting in order to make us more depressed.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ron obvious 1,495 Posted February 23, 2007 " There are lies, damn lies, & statistics"Disraeli (possibly) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex Harvey-Jones 0 Posted February 23, 2007 [quote user="theolster"]you make a very good point, which is quite refreshing for most of the dim wits on here[/quote] How do you know it''s refreshing FOR most of the dim wits on here - are you one yourself?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Boubepo 0 Posted February 23, 2007 Good post NorfolkBroadSlim, very few people will want to accept those stats though, most would prefer to believe Norwich have improved under Grant so expect some slagging off Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cluck 0 Posted February 23, 2007 Excellent post Norfolkbroadslim....and the effort to produce hard fact is appreciated.Tomorrow is a very important fixture...and we can only hope this will help make the statistics easier on the eye. It is of course largely down to City to get themselves out of the mire...but the chasing pack will be with us all the way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
a1canary 0 Posted February 23, 2007 [quote user="-.-. .-.. ..- -.-. -.-"]Excellent post Norfolkbroadslim....and the effort to produce hard fact is appreciated.Tomorrow is a very important fixture...and we can only hope this will help make the statistics easier on the eye. It is of course largely down to City to get themselves out of the mire...but the chasing pack will be with us all the way. [/quote] Absolutely, well done, excellent. I really thought we''d been on an incredible winning streak and hadn''t lost in ages. I thought we were top of the league. Thanks for putting me straight! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dicky 0 Posted February 23, 2007 [quote user="GJP"]I''d rather be a Day-dream Believer than a Doom Merchant.[/quote]Me too - dreaming is one of the best parts of being a supporter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 3,632 Posted February 23, 2007 These ''we''ve done this in the last x games'' posts really are rather pointless (pun intended, lol!). If you want a form guide, why not use the one over the season so far (ie our current league position) which isn''t exactly great reading! What, exactly, is the point in ramming it home in 3 different ways? Did you expect us to be top of a form league when we are 18th in the ''real'' one?! For example, if we win tomorrow we will go up such a short-term form league by quite a lot of places, but next to none in the ''real'' league: that is how much a waste of time short-term form guides are; we''d have won 2 out of 3 in the league (which is a ''fair'' guide, surely?) - better than Derby, but it wouldn''t mean a great deal as we''d still be only 5-6 points off the relegation places and they''ll be in the top 2.I don''t really think anyone doubts that we aren''t doing particularly well, but it is in the future that our final league position will be determined. The side has been playing better in recent games, with a few signings coming off, but we all know full well that we need to turn performances into points. The league season is over 46 games and it is only the position that a side finishes in the League then that matters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkbroadslim 223 Posted February 23, 2007 [quote user="-.-. .-.. ..- -.-. -.-"]Excellent post Norfolkbroadslim....and the effort to produce hard fact is appreciated.Tomorrow is a very important fixture...and we can only hope this will help make the statistics easier on the eye. It is of course largely down to City to get themselves out of the mire...but the chasing pack will be with us all the way. [/quote]Totally agree, for me the Leeds game was not the make or break one. I think Coventry is, win, we wont be safe, but things will be starting to look better. Draw or lose, and with the away games coming up, I''ll have even more serious concerns.I''ll admit I went over the top a bit on this post. But only because I''m seriously worried about the possibility of a drop to League One. And like the Championship, and pretty much any league you care to mention, league one is not an easy league to get out of. We desperately need an away win under our belts from one of the next 2 away games, and hopefully this will instill a bit of belief that we can go and get results away from CR. If we don''t I fear that our home form won''t be enough to keep us hope.The biggest fear for me would be that if we do get relegated and don''t go back up at the first attempt, we may settle into a sort of comfort zone in league one. We may become a steady side in league occassionally challenging for the playoffs like we have been in the championship since the relegation from the top flight in the 90''s. With the current people at the healm I think this would be a distinct possibility if we were to be relegated.I''m not a doom merchant, who will come back at the end of the season if we get relegated and say I told you so. I just hope and pray each week for that victory, and for me most importantly 3 points away from CR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7rew 0 Posted February 24, 2007 the tables are teams with the same points and seperated by goal difference, why is the worse goal difference on top.Its good to see that coventry are bottom (if goal difference is done right) of the away form league however.I did something similar in the "guess what" thread. Considered as points per game the situation is quite alot worse for other teams than us.The last 6 away mayches have been hard ones: Southampton, Preston, Palace, Wolves, Sunderland and Ipswich. 1 point is poor, but not actually much worse than would be expected (5 points being good from those). If the 2 away matches hadn''t been cancelled (against much lower ranked teams) it could look quite different.Our home form has been much worse with 4 recent poor results [Wednesday, Southend, Plymouth, Wolves] in the last 6 leaving only 1 point in those 4, when between 6 and 10 points from those games would be more expected. (this might be an over estimate as it would put us top 3 for home form with 6 from the other 2).Our recent results against lower ranked teams do make good reading. It is pleasing to note. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The poster formerly known as ? 0 Posted February 24, 2007 [quote user="Branston Pickle"]These ''we''ve done this in the last x games'' posts really are rather pointless (pun intended, lol!). If you want a form guide, why not use the one over the season so far (ie our current league position) which isn''t exactly great reading! What, exactly, is the point in ramming it home in 3 different ways? Did you expect us to be top of a form league when we are 18th in the ''real'' one?! For example, if we win tomorrow we will go up such a short-term form league by quite a lot of places, but next to none in the ''real'' league: that is how much a waste of time short-term form guides are; we''d have won 2 out of 3 in the league (which is a ''fair'' guide, surely?) - better than Derby, but it wouldn''t mean a great deal as we''d still be only 5-6 points off the relegation places and they''ll be in the top 2.I don''t really think anyone doubts that we aren''t doing particularly well, but it is in the future that our final league position will be determined. The side has been playing better in recent games, with a few signings coming off, but we all know full well that we need to turn performances into points. The league season is over 46 games and it is only the position that a side finishes in the League then that matters.[/quote]Then lets apply this theory to a previous relegation season that of 1994-1995.At Christmas we were a very healthy seventh in the Premiership.We then failed to win all but one of the remaining 20 fixtures.Our league position was never lower than on the final day.The long term form over the season implied we were safe right until the final Saturday.By the end of January the form over ten games had slumped alarmingly, and by the end of February indicated that we were in dire trouble.The optomists looked to the seasons form for reassurance, the pessimists looked to the recent form for despair, the realists probably looked at the complete picture. Two out of three of these categories did not believe we would go down.It took a freak set of results over a sustained period in ''95, our forms not good at the moment but it''s nowhere as bad as it was back then, we are dropping but at a far slower rate, in my opinion too slowly to end the season in a relegation spot. But I''m worried. We don''t have much in the way of backup and a couple more holes could be enough to sink the ship. On the other hand I''ve seen a marked improvement about our team recently, I''ve seen better play on the field but just as if not more importantly I''ve seen our team compete, and hold their heads up where not so long ago they would have capitulated. There has been a sea change and I''m looking forward to better days ahead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary02 0 Posted February 24, 2007 Good post Norfolkbroadslim. You can''t argue with the facts.I think the frustrating thing is that even though results don''t suggest it, overall performance and confidence is actually much better than it was in December. Performances don''t keep you up though.As Cluck suggested, today will be a great indicator of how tough the relegation struggle will be. If we win, then with the current performance level and the boost of 3 points to add to the momentum we could easily go on a bit of a run. If we lose then the confidence will probably drain away again. A draw is no use either in the circumstances, so we have a real must-win on our hands. I''ve every confidence that we''ll play better than Coventry today and create more chances. The question is, will we have anybody there to finish them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Splendid Rush 0 Posted February 24, 2007 Facts can be made up to prove anything. Forftie percent of all people know that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rudolph Hucker 0 Posted February 24, 2007 Slim,As you know I am against recrimination at this time as I feel it is imperative to get behind the side or we all go down together, but..........I also feel you post is fair and reasoned and that you have not been given credit for this. it isn''t about slagging the team off it is something the players would do wel to look at because every season (and we have done it in the past) a team drops into relegation from no-where based on poor form they cannot break.It is vital NCFC turn things around and get results now. The worry for me is we are coming up to some tough games and have failed to pick up points from easier ones.I say we accept your points but put our concerns into lifting the side. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,328 Posted February 24, 2007 [quote user="Splendid Rush"]Facts can be made up to prove anything. Forftie percent of all people know that.[/quote]Surely then, they wouldn''t be facts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mello Yello 2,273 Posted February 24, 2007 I saw us win every game up to the 6th of May, and then beat West Brom in the play-off final at Eaton Park........I woke up in a comfy chair in Starbucks.......and realised I''d slept through the match against Coventry, who beat us 2-1..........Nice dream though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smudger 0 Posted February 24, 2007 [quote user="Rudolph Hucker"]Slim,As you know I am against recrimination at this time as I feel it is imperative to get behind the side or we all go down together, but..........I also feel you post is fair and reasoned and that you have not been given credit for this. it isn''t about slagging the team off it is something the players would do wel to look at because every season (and we have done it in the past) a team drops into relegation from no-where based on poor form they cannot break.It is vital NCFC turn things around and get results now. The worry for me is we are coming up to some tough games and have failed to pick up points from easier ones.I say we accept your points but put our concerns into lifting the side.[/quote]Why do you seem to think RH that a show of our feelings against the board while we remain 100% behind Granty and the players should be in any way detrimental to the teams chances of surviving the drop??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
