Smudger 0 Posted February 20, 2007 "I would say Shacks will be fine, but I would say Safri will be struggling," said Grant. "I think that is more through tiredness - when he plays Saturday, Tuesday, Saturday, Tuesday that is a bit much for him.If Grants comments are to be believed... what use to us is a prima-donna midfielder that can''t handle 3 games in 3 weeks without attempting to start the 4th let alone 4 games in the space of 11 days...Best get another midfielder in on loan quick... because Safri is going to miss a lot of games coming up with the future fixture congestion!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blahblahblah 2 Posted February 20, 2007 This post shows your lack of understanding of the game.Have you ever played a game of football that didn''t involve jumpers for posts, Smudger ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,506 Posted February 20, 2007 [quote user="Smudger"]Best get another midfielder in on loan quick... because Safri is going to miss a lot of games coming up with the future fixture congestion!!![/quote]Why do you think Fotheringham is here Smudge??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
First Wizard 0 Posted February 20, 2007 Totally agree Smudger, its a damn disgrace!.They should try REAL work for a change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Barham Appreciation Society 0 Posted February 20, 2007 Yeah, but wasn''t one of those games in Morocco ?I think you are being a tad harsh on him ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
macdougalls perm 0 Posted February 20, 2007 Because he provides our defence with much needed protection when he is available. And perhaps Grant values his contribution when he is fully at the races so has decided to allow him to rest whenever possible. I would suggest that also, when he is playing, he throws himself around and gets stuck in to the extent that I am not surprised that he can''t play Sat, Tues, Sat, Tues in two weeks (don''t know where you get the three games in three weeks thing from). As I say, I would suggest this but what is the point because you refuse to watch our team and, therefore, haven''t got a clue how he has been playing or the contribution he has been making. If I was being facetious I would suggest that this is just your latest attempt at turning the latest headline/soundbite into an opportunity to slate us. Why do you bother to support us - if you do? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rustyboy 2 Posted February 20, 2007 The guy played very well at Chelski, but it seems that we get a really good game from him, he then gets injured or needs a rest, comes back and has a few mediocre games before an outstanding game and the cycle starts again. He would be a hell of a player if he was consistant, but I expect you could say that about any player. Does anyone agree with me? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smudger 0 Posted February 20, 2007 [quote user="Rustyboy"]The guy played very well at Chelski, but it seems that we get a really good game from him, he then gets injured or needs a rest, comes back and has a few mediocre games before an outstanding game and the cycle starts again. He would be a hell of a player if he was consistant, but I expect you could say that about any player. Does anyone agree with me?[/quote]Think he could be a good player if consistent... no more than that....The fact that the number of good games he has had since he has been at City could be counted on the fingers of two hands says it all to me...He is no bloody use whatsoever yet is viewed as a god by the majority of City fans who seem to think that he has as much ability as an Ian Crook (which ain''t true either). [:@] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smudger 0 Posted February 20, 2007 [quote user="blahblahblah"]This post shows your lack of understanding of the game.Have you ever played a game of football that didn''t involve jumpers for posts, Smudger ?[/quote]Yes thanks... Unibond League Guiseley Town being the highest stature of club that I have played a few games for.I also briefly trained with Lowestoft Town about 2002 time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evil Monkey 52 Posted February 20, 2007 [quote user="Smudger"]I also briefly trained with Lowestoft Town about 2002 time.[/quote]And you''re now fully qualified to take over from Doris the Tea Lady... well done, you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blahblahblah 2 Posted February 20, 2007 In which case you will understand the stresses and strains that a game of competitive football can place on the body. Maybe Safri is over-exerting himself in certain matches, and suffers more than most as a result, which causes his lack of consistency ? Or maybe we just have a mad schedule at the moment, we do currently have a number of players who can''t play every game as a result of similar problems. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 Posted February 20, 2007 Remember he also has to do the work of two when Dickson goes missing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silver fox 0 Posted February 20, 2007 No other current midfielder at the club is better at closing down opposition midfielders and denying them time on the ball than Safri. It is no wonder the guy gets tired as he puts in a lot more effort over the 90 minutes than other midfielders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smudger 0 Posted February 20, 2007 [quote user="blahblahblah"]In which case you will understand the stresses and strains that a game of competitive football can place on the body. Maybe Safri is over-exerting himself in certain matches, and suffers more than most as a result, which causes his lack of consistency ? Or maybe we just have a mad schedule at the moment, we do currently have a number of players who can''t play every game as a result of similar problems.[/quote]Yes I understand that... and I also understand that as I got in to my 30''s playing two games a week did become a strain...Youssef is a professional footballer however who should be in the prime of his career and well capable of playing the number of games that he has had to play this month without claiming can I sit this one out boss I''m a bit tired...Sorry but Saf has no sympathy from me... and maybe if he can only put in one good performance very 15 matches then we should ship him out to a Sunday League side where he only plays 20 games a season!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syteanric 1 Posted February 20, 2007 we havent won a game under Grant that Safri hasnt played in.. thats worrying! Hope he at least features on the bench tonight...jas :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mello Yello 2,273 Posted February 20, 2007 Having a gossamer thin squad doesn''t help our current plight. Suspensions and injury are taking their toll. Still, with hindsight, we get what we budget for.Maybe Gunny an'' Gossy can come out of retirement? Now there''s prudence! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,328 Posted February 20, 2007 [quote user="Smudger"]Best get another midfielder in on loan quick... because Safri is going to miss a lot of games coming up with the future fixture congestion!!![/quote]Have to agree with you on this one.A professional athlete should be able to play twice a week. Safri seems to be notoriously fragile for a suposed midfield dynamo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Rages 0 Posted February 20, 2007 [quote user="Smudger"][quote user="blahblahblah"]This post shows your lack of understanding of the game.Have you ever played a game of football that didn''t involve jumpers for posts, Smudger ?[/quote]Yes thanks... Unibond League Guiseley Town being the highest stature of club that I have played a few games for.I also briefly trained with Lowestoft Town about 2002 time. [/quote]Did you actually play? Or spend your time on the Dame Judy. Might be why you don''t understand this.Safri is a professional playing at Championship level, so whilst his physich and stamina will be higher than yours was watching the game at Lowestoft, he is also playing at a level ever so slightly more competative. The two go hand in hand. The higher you play, the fitter you need to be. Just look at the amount of ex Championship players and managers who note the pace of playing in the Premiership and how it requires more focus on fitness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Rages 0 Posted February 20, 2007 Very bad spelling above. Sorry, just use your imagination. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rudolph Hucker 0 Posted February 20, 2007 Is it also true Rages that the fitter you are the narrower the band between peak fitness and injury? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smudger 0 Posted February 20, 2007 [quote user="Yellow Rages"][quote user="Smudger"] [quote user="blahblahblah"]This post shows your lack of understanding of the game.Have you ever played a game of football that didn''t involve jumpers for posts, Smudger ?[/quote]Yes thanks... Unibond League Guiseley Town being the highest stature of club that I have played a few games for.I also briefly trained with Lowestoft Town about 2002 time. [/quote]Did you actually play? Or spend your time on the Dame Judy. Might be why you don''t understand this.Safri is a professional playing at Championship level, so whilst his physich and stamina will be higher than yours was watching the game at Lowestoft, he is also playing at a level ever so slightly more competative. The two go hand in hand. The higher you play, the fitter you need to be. Just look at the amount of ex Championship players and managers who note the pace of playing in the Premiership and how it requires more focus on fitness. [/quote]and so the higher you go... it should only be right to expect higher levels of physical presence, fitness and recovery etc etc...Still no sympathy for Safri I am afraid... and as for me playing for Lowestoft... it was my decision to stop training with them...They didn''t seem keen enough in my opinion... when recognised players there were saying give this guy an immediate run out for the reserves at least if he has been on Guiseley''s books yet it seemed that the management weren''t even watching you close enough then you just thought what the point... It was the equivalent of Norwich having a Premiership midfielder training for them and not giving him a run out with the reserve team in the first week or 2 he was there to see what he could do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blahblahblah 2 Posted February 20, 2007 Judy Finnegan ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0 Posted February 20, 2007 What is better - him admitting he is not going to be fit for the next game and recovering for the following one.orHim playing (poorly as he is not fit) and still being unfit for the next game. Fact is he is our best central midfielder by some margin, and if he needs a rest so be it... The guy has played a hell of a lot recently - including overseas, and gives his all every game (normally needing to do the job of two players in midfield). It wouldnt surprise me if he was benched tonight.Did some of you whingers realise that some manager actually drop players to keep them fit! really they do!! [:P] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cantiaci Canary 556 Posted February 20, 2007 Smudger you are just so naive and wrong that your post lacks credibility.Football players are not robots - different men play different styles, suffer differently from fatigue and have different recovery times. Safri unlike Shacks is not in his 20s. He is our best midfield player by a mile - the only one to put his foot in, thread intelligent passes and play consistently. He is one of our few players who could make it in the Premier League and he deserves more understanding, appreciation and respect than you care to give him.Be realistic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syteanric 1 Posted February 20, 2007 agreed with Yellow Rages... how many Lowestoft players go out for 10 pints and a chicken Curry the night before a game and still waddle around tghe pitch on a saturday?A professional couldnt do that! they have to be at peak physical fitness.. and Whilst Youssef might be fatigued, i still think that in his current state he could run rings round all of us... i bet he could still be running whilst Smudger collapses on his Arse, bight red face struggling for breath. And never mind players.. a Referee doesnt stop running all game... the FA believ on Average that a referee runs 4 miles per game. i think Youssef does well and as a professional his fitness levels will be through the roof.jas :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Time to go Delia 0 Posted February 20, 2007 Ship him out of the club , how would the poor guy cope if he had to work 8 hours a day instead of 3 or 4 hours a week . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jerzy Krukowski 5 Posted February 20, 2007 [quote user="ncfc1"]Ship him out of the club , how would the poor guy cope if he had to work 8 hours a day instead of 3 or 4 hours a week .[/quote]He''d probably be ok feeding chickens 8 hours a day,how do you find it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tumbleweed 106 Posted February 20, 2007 One fact that seems to have been overlooked is that Safri had a rest on 20th Jan and 10th Feb when the games were cancelled. In fact we have had only two midweek games since the New Year. Now by my reckoning that''s not a lot. Safri might have had an extra game or so for Morocco but still doesn''t sound too daunting to me.Maybe he''s being rested tonight in a difficult match and being saved for this Saturday which is a must win game to me? That would be almost Worthy-esque in its ineptitude though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
macdougalls perm 0 Posted February 20, 2007 ncfc1 wrote "Ship him out of the club , how would the poor guy cope if he had to work 8 hours a day instead of 3 or 4 hours a week"It all depends what work you would be expecting him to do for 8 hours a day. If it involved the same energy levels as 90 minutes of high level professional football then he would be dead because it would be impossible. What job are you envisaging that requires this level of fitness for 8 hours a day? Also, the team trains for longer than 3 or 4 hours a week so.......oh, do you know what, this post is flawed on so many levels that I give up...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Boubepo 0 Posted February 20, 2007 I guess the real question it raises is - if Grant knows Saf can''t play so many games on the trot why did he play him against Chelsea when the league games are considered more important? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
