What is the deterrent?

[Salopian 1]

Why are players not coming to Carrow Road? Chadwick was a special case, and Sunderland and Brown wanted to part, so we have yet to sign a player where we went out and bid!1)I think that PG is probably right - the window is such a short period, and to sell a player may leave you short unless you can get out and sign another at an inflated price.But could it be:2) Our position in the table, and possible Division 1 next year?3) PG or the team is not attractive to players4) The club, for all its facilities, does not have enough pull, and perhaps is insisting on unattractive terms5) Norwich is a long way from the major population centres where many players areWhether we survive in the Championship, and if injuries come at the present rate we may not, the summer will be main building time, but we shall not be able to sit back. We have to be first in with Bosman''s. The manager will have to be more proactive than his predecessor.

[E I E I E I O 0]

I am starting to believe the Prudence with more prudence!

[Snakepit Boy 0]

It strikes me that Peter Grant, in his first job as manager, has sent players out on loan after being given assurances that replacements are about to arrive. He has now been let down by players / other clubs changing their minds, and now we''ve been left short.

It''s all part of the learning process for a new manager - but it could cost us dear.

[Syteanric 1]

[quote user="Salopian"]Why are players not coming to Carrow Road? Chadwick was a special case, and Sunderland and Brown wanted to part, so we have yet to sign a player where we went out and bid!

1)I think that PG is probably right - the window is such a short period, and to sell a player may leave you short unless you can get out and sign another at an inflated price.
But could it be:
2) Our position in the table, and possible Division 1 next year?
3) PG or the team is not attractive to players
4) The club, for all its facilities, does not have enough pull, and perhaps is insisting on unattractive terms
5) Norwich is a long way from the major population centres where many players are

Whether we survive in the Championship, and if injuries come at the present rate we may not, the summer will be main building time, but we shall not be able to sit back. We have to be first in with Bosman''s. The manager will have to be more proactive than his predecessor.
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1 its a combination of all of them i think its fair to say....the window isnt fair on teams (as has been debated in the latest 4-4-2 magazine might i add). Especially those with limitd finances and small squads.

 2 our league position speaks for itself! would u sign for us over other better placed sides?

3 the team, whilst having some good players, mainly has journeymen, who are going through the motions and no real semblence of youth.. it doesnt smack of future success so is off putting

4. We are "little Norwich" and pay so.. the facilites, while good, are similar to what other teams can offer... we offer nothing new.

5. hits the nail on the head i think! we need a motorway! extend the M11 all the way up to the fine city to make access easier... players are put off due to the location, we are miles from anywhere. and if coming from the North the roads are awful! the A47 needs a major overhaul too.!

jas :)

[Northern Canary 0]

I thought a while back that we needed to get in the top half if we were to attract the sort of players we need.

[whoareyou? 0]

I don''t think its just us...everyone is in the same boat. Money is killing the game outside of the top 5 clubs in the Premiership.

When you hear that clubs don''t just want to loan players out but then expect a loan fee as well as you paying their wages, what chance does anyone stand?

I quite like the fact that we are linked with a number of Scottish players..at least they will play with some passion which we are sorely lacking but even they don''t see the Championship as a step up now!

When this new finance deal comes in next year for the Prem...it will just make signing players even harder. Even reserves in lowly Prem teams will not want to leave because of the wages gap! And relegation from the Prem will be an even bigger nightmare for everyone already in it!

[Cluck 0]

I don''t think alot of people/players appreciate just how nice Norfolk is until they get here....so maybe there is still some of the old "unfashionable" tag to contend with.

I can''t see that the club itself or PG is a legitimate deterrent either....and the ground and facilities are sound.

It has to be a combination of the window issue itself and our lowly present day status that will ward off anyone decent who is looking for medals and success. Whatever some may say....under the present regime we have lost much of our gloss as an attraction....but what to do is another matter.

I''m certain new faces will show....as it''s too hard to believe they won''t after all that has been promised.

[chicken 0]

"1 its a combination of all of them i think its fair to say....the window isnt fair on teams (as has been debated in the latest 4-4-2 magazine might i add). Especially those with limitd finances and small squads."

I don''t think its a big problem, there are ways and means around it as per Robinson, Etuhu and Chadwick. I think a later point is more relevent. However if the FA were to establish a winter break it may well be more beneficial for that to coincide with a transfer window which would at least give the managers a chance to play around with the squad without having to worry about matches etc.

"2 our league position speaks for itself! would u sign for us over other better placed sides?"

I am not sure on this one. We managed to sign good players in the past when our league position was not so great. We werent exactly flying when Earnshaw signed for example.

"3 the team, whilst having some good players, mainly has journeymen, who are going through the motions and no real semblence of youth.. it doesnt smack of future success so is off putting"

Mainly journeymen? Robinson and Huckerby are probably the most travelled players. Etuhu has only had two clubs prior to this, Doherty one, Dublin being the other more travelled player. As for youth if your talking early to mid 20''s then you have Colin, Shackell, Etuhu, Croft, Brown, Earnshaw who are all in that age bracket not to mention Marshall now. Its the next age bracket thats the problem 25ish to 30 - Drury, Doherty and Gallagher.

"4. We are "little Norwich" and pay so.. the facilites, while good, are similar to what other teams can offer... we offer nothing new."

Not sure on this either. We apparently have quite a few players earning well into double figures on a weekly basis which is actually quite a bit for this level when you consider the average wage for this league.

"5. hits the nail on the head i think! we need a motorway! extend the M11 all the way up to the fine city to make access easier... players are put off due to the location, we are miles from anywhere. and if coming from the North the roads are awful! the A47 needs a major overhaul too.!"

I think its attractive to players from the North as it is a step closer to London and even for some players from London because it is not too far from there. The problem is that a lot of our targets go to teams closer to their home cities, towns etc. Take Spring for example, easy choice, probably doesn''t even have to move.

I don''t think fan base comes into it unless there is a reputation of a cauldron of a home fixture. I think that is why players are keen to sign for Sunderland (pun not intended). Their supporters are always vocal and supportive of their team, 25,000 fans sitting in silence may not be as attractive as 16-18,000 fans making a lot of noise which is where we were only a few years ago.

I am not saying its the fans fault but if you were a prospective player and you wanted to do some research on the team that is interested in you and read sites like this you would hardly be inspired would you? There is such a negative vibe around the club at the moment with some players that it may just be that the league standing is just the indicator and perspective players have done their research and found out the problems at the moment and preferred not to risk trying to settle into a club going through unrest.

jas :)

[Chunky Canary 0]

Maybe you have left the biggest reason out Salopian, we are skint

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

Forget all that stuff about geograpical location etc, it has never been a problem for many good players who came here in the past (and as recently as Earnshaw).

Something is not right with the way Norwich do business. We have paid out heavily for ineffective loan players over the last two seasons and been among the highest agent fee payers: why?

I am beginning to wonder if the fault lies with Neil Doncaster. Nice man, but can he cut the mustard in the market place?

Norwich is a big Club, make no mistake. Norwich is an attractive proposition to any player who isn''t more interested in money than football and there, perhaps, lies the real problem.

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[quote user="Rudolph Hucker"]

Forget all that stuff about geograpical location etc, it has never been a problem for many good players who came here in the past (and as recently as Earnshaw).

Something is not right with the way Norwich do business. We have paid out heavily for ineffective loan players over the last two seasons and been among the highest agent fee payers: why?

I am beginning to wonder if the fault lies with Neil Doncaster. Nice man, but can he cut the mustard in the market place?

Norwich is a big Club, make no mistake. Norwich is an attractive proposition to any player who isn''t more interested in money than football and there, perhaps, lies the real problem.

[/quote]We know Norwich is or should be a big club but when you hear the boards "Poor Little Norwich" line  you understand why any payer worth his salt wont pull on the yellow and green.

FOOTBALL must come first

[Stevie Wonder 0]

[quote user="-.-. .-.. ..- -.-. -.-"]

I don''t think alot of people/players appreciate just how nice Norfolk is until they get here....so maybe there is still some of the old "unfashionable" tag to contend with.

I can''t see that the club itself or PG is a legitimate deterrent either....and the ground and facilities are sound.

It has to be a combination of the window issue itself and our lowly present day status that will ward off anyone decent who is looking for medals and success. Whatever some may say....under the present regime we have lost much of our gloss as an attraction....but what to do is another matter.

I''m certain new faces will show....as it''s too hard to believe they won''t after all that has been promised.

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I think you have hit the nail on the head, generally if we can get a player here to see the facilities and also Norwich itself then they get hooked. There will always be the big city boys who will find Norwich to quiet and out of the way (their loss!). Look how many ex-players and managers stay or return to the area after their careers have finished i.e Milligan, Rioch, Eadie, Gunn, Fleck etc.

It would seem that, if anything, PG has been more of a draw than Worthy particularly with Scottish players. Lets face it the guy is a bit of a legend at Celtic.

Hopefully, we can do a Sunderland and get 3 or 4 in on the last day. There is still the loan option for another couple of months.

 

[Mello Yello 2,571]

[quote user="Rudolph Hucker"]

Forget all that stuff about geograpical location etc, it has never been a problem for many good players who came here in the past (and as recently as Earnshaw).

Something is not right with the way Norwich do business. We have paid out heavily for ineffective loan players over the last two seasons and been among the highest agent fee payers: why?

I am beginning to wonder if the fault lies with Neil Doncaster. Nice man, but can he cut the mustard in the market place?

Norwich is a big Club, make no mistake. Norwich is an attractive proposition to any player who isn''t more interested in money than football and there, perhaps, lies the real problem.

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Hoorah!..........Nice man Neil...........Deals an'' Micky''s personal sentinel..........Neil prefers his mustard ''mild'' and uses a blunt knife to cut it with. Haven''t ever seen him around Ruby''s tea-stall in the Naarichhh market place either..........

[T07 0]

[quote user="Salopian"]. We have to be first in with Bosman''s. The manager will have to be more proactive than his predecessor.[/quote]Ho ho ho. If only it was as easy as writing the words. If you go tearing into a free agent, he''s going to do what? Sign the contract or figure if someones in quick there will be other (better?) offersIt doesn''t work like that my friend48 hours is a long time. 3 deals are on the table. hopefully we''ll get 2 of them. If not, you should applaud the effort that went in. Nothing more could have been done over the past three months, never mind three weeks......

[Stevie Wonder 0]

[quote user="T07"][quote user="Salopian"]. We have to be first in with Bosman''s. The manager will have to be more proactive than his predecessor.
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Ho ho ho. If only it was as easy as writing the words. If you go tearing into a free agent, he''s going to do what? Sign the contract or figure if someones in quick there will be other (better?) offers

It doesn''t work like that my friend

48 hours is a long time. 3 deals are on the table. hopefully we''ll get 2 of them. If not, you should applaud the effort that went in. Nothing more could have been done over the past three months, never mind three weeks......
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What  deals are these then?