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The current board have taken this club so far down the pan that it will take years to recover (and that is looking on the bright side).

This board of directors no longer has anywhere to hide and Delia & MWJ''s issuing of "no comment" earlier today highlights that they know this too.

It is not only relegation this year that we should be concerned about... but with Earnie to move on in the summer and the board, bank manager etc taking their cut on the initial investment made on Earnie back, plus according to the Pink Un 13 more players being out of contract and no funds to overhaul a squad drastically short on quality and in depth where will that leave us the following season?

We are now looking certanties for relegation this year and will be highly likely to follow that up with another relegation to the 4th tier of English football the following season...

How can any City fan still be in support of this board and it''s mismanagement of our football club???

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a cheerful post, seems to be very little positivity around today, I know there are problems but football is a "funny old game" and things can change quickly. I wouldn''t say our squad is lacking in quality, it is lacking in confidence and unity but there is undoubtably some talent there.

 

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[quote user="Smudger"]

... but with Earnie to move on in the summer

and the board, bank manager etc taking their cut on the initial

investment made on Earnie back,

 

[/quote]

What exactly are you suggesting? That the board are looking to

personally make money from a transfer, which incidentally may not even

happen, or are you suggesting inappropriate/illegal financial management

[quote user="Smudger"]

We are now looking certanties for relegation this year and will be

highly likely to follow that up with another relegation to the 4th tier

of English football the following season...

[/quote]

What utter and complete pish.  Your overdramatisation of a bad

situation would be laughable if it weren''t so tedious. Hypocritical

compassion I say, you''d love it if we went down just so you could claim

to have been right all along.

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We are now looking certanties for relegation this year and will be highly likely to follow that up with another relegation to the 4th tier of English football the following season...[/quote]

 

Oh.........Please......................Victor Meldrew.........No.

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[quote user="Marty"]

a cheerful post, seems to be very little positivity around today, I know there are problems but football is a "funny old game" and things can change quickly. I wouldn''t say our squad is lacking in quality, it is lacking in confidence and unity but there is undoubtably some talent there.

 

[/quote]

One or two good players does not make a team, let alone a squad Marty... hence why we are in the predicament we are in now...

If we we did not have a squad that was lacking in quality then this would be a temporary blip...

They say that form is temporary and class is permanent...  the same can be said for the other end of that scale...

Form is temporary c**p is permanent...

1 and a half years of this dross has passed and still some people try to claim that we have enough quality in this squad to challenge for promotion...

That to me is just hilarious!!!

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[quote user="SPat"][quote user="Smudger"]

... but with Earnie to move on in the summer and the board, bank manager etc taking their cut on the initial investment made on Earnie back,
 
[/quote]

What exactly are you suggesting? That the board are looking to personally make money from a transfer, which incidentally may not even happen, or are you suggesting inappropriate/illegal financial management

[quote user="Smudger"]

We are now looking certanties for relegation this year and will be highly likely to follow that up with another relegation to the 4th tier of English football the following season...

[/quote]

What utter and complete pish.  Your overdramatisation of a bad situation would be laughable if it weren''t so tedious. Hypocritical compassion I say, you''d love it if we went down just so you could claim to have been right all along.
[/quote]

No I wouldn''t...  I would hate it if we went down...

You continue to bury your heads in the sand though...  because what I have stated will happen...  and all because you and thousands of others like you have given this inept board of ours chance, after chance, after chance which has been thrown back in your faces!!!

or is the Super Chris Martin (England''s future number 9) going to save us all???  Don''t make me laugh!!!

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[quote]The current board have taken this club so far down the pan that it will take years to recover (and that is looking on the bright side).[/quote]

Or - the players form has suffered as the result of a lack of confidence, they can play well, just aren''t at the moment, and a shake-up is needed.  3 or 4 new signings should be enough to re-establish competition in a few places in the squad, and enable the team to regain a decent spine, which will in turn result in an unspectacular mid-table position at the end of the season, maybe even a Cup Run to the quarter-finals if we get lucky at Blackpool and in the draw for the next round.  But you can''t wind people up wth that scenario, can you ? [:|]

[quote]It is not only relegation this year that we should be concerned about... but with Earnie to move on in the summer and the board, bank manager etc taking their cut on the initial investment made on Earnie back, plus according to the Pink Un 13 more players being out of contract and no funds to overhaul a squad drastically short on quality and in depth where will that leave us the following season?[/quote]

You state that Earnie will move on in the summer.  Are you his agent ? Your suggestions that the bank manager etc., will take a cut are borderline libellous.  It''s the agents and players who drain clubs of money, not the other way around.

Players out of contract - Bearing in mind how long it took Darel Russell to find somewhere after his contract ran out :

Adam Drury - Settled in the area, new father, likely to stay.  Highly valued by the staff at Carrow Road too.

Gary Doherty - Unspectacular this season, might not get anything better than here.

Paul McVeigh - Serving Pies in the local Oggy Oggy Pastie shop any time soon.  One for you, one for me, one for my mate Mulryne.

Peter Thorne - Last seen drifting on a surfboard 3 miles north of Cromer.  Surf is definitely up today.

Craig Fleming - Last seen driving down to Bournemouth

Ian Henderson - Might join Rotherham, might earn a new contract.

Dion Dublin - Will hopefully stay and coach some poor misguided players.

Matthieu Louis-Jean - Emergency Ward 10.

Joe Lewis, Andrew Cave-Brown, Matthew Halliday, Robert Eagle and Andrew Fisk - Definitely will receive a new contract, as they will be cheap and our future.

The point is that most of these players could be easily replaced by other players coming to the end of their contracts.  Most of them aren''t even getting regular football, now that the reserve team play fewer fixtures than Anglian Combination teams. Now - if Earnie was coming to the end of his contract, that would be scary.

[quote]We are now looking certanties for relegation this year [/quote]

No, we are not.  A point a game will see us safe.

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[quote user="Smudger"][quote user="Marty"]

a cheerful post, seems to be very little positivity around today, I know there are problems but football is a "funny old game" and things can change quickly. I wouldn''t say our squad is lacking in quality, it is lacking in confidence and unity but there is undoubtably some talent there.

 

[/quote]

One or two good players does not make a team, let alone a squad Marty... hence why we are in the predicament we are in now...

If we we did not have a squad that was lacking in quality then this would be a temporary blip...

They say that form is temporary and class is permanent...  the same can be said for the other end of that scale...

Form is temporary c**p is permanent...

1 and a half years of this dross has passed and still some people try to claim that we have enough quality in this squad to challenge for promotion...

That to me is just hilarious!!!

[/quote]

 

 It should not be forgotten, and this is FACT, that the same team bar Green, were at the start of the season playing attractive football AND picking up results. Everyone needs to pull together, fan''s included. C''mon Meldrew, CHIN UP....

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[quote]You continue to bury your heads in the sand though...  because what I have stated will happen...  and all because you and thousands of others like you have given this inept board of ours chance, after chance, after chance which has been thrown back in your faces!!!

or is the Super Chris Martin (England''s future number 9) going to save us all???  Don''t make me laugh![/quote]

Is this the bit when you run away screaming with laughter to your helicopter which will escort you to your secret underground lair ?

Oooh I do like a good arch-villain.

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[quote user="Smudger"][quote user="SPat"][quote user="Smudger"]

... but with Earnie to move on in the summer and the board, bank

manager etc taking their cut on the initial investment made on Earnie

back, [/quote]

What exactly are you suggesting? That the board are looking to

personally make money from a transfer, which incidentally may not even

happen, or are you suggesting inappropriate/illegal financial management

[quote user="Smudger"]

We are now looking certanties for relegation this year and will be

highly likely to follow that up with another relegation to the 4th tier

of English football the following season...

[/quote]What utter and complete pish.  Your

overdramatisation of a bad situation would be laughable if it weren''t

so tedious. Hypocritical compassion I say, you''d love it if we went

down just so you could claim to have been right all along. [/quote]

No I wouldn''t...  I would hate it if we went down...

You continue to bury your heads in the sand though...  because

what I have stated will happen...  and all because you and

thousands of others like you have given this inept board of ours

chance, after chance, after chance which has been thrown back in your

faces!!!

or is the Super Chris Martin (England''s future number 9) going to save us all???  Don''t make me laugh!!!

[/quote]

And what will do if it doesn''t happen? because as often as you say it

doesn''t make it a certainty. It''s possible, but IMO unlikely.

In what way am I or anyone else "burying our heads in the sand"? Unless

there are other investors lined up then there is little point in

hounding the board out.

How about answering some questions properly. What are you suggesting

about the board "taking a cut" of transfer fees? What do you actually

suggest should be done aside from "sack the board", which can only be

done by new owners of the club. Who exactly are these new owners to be?

It''s easy to throw mud, how about some constructive solutions.

By the way, have you actually seen Chris Martin play?

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[:(] That''s it, I''ve had it... this thread has tipped me over the edge...

...I''m off to drown my sorrows with the sheep... [:''(][B]

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[quote user="Smudger"]

 

  because what I have stated will happen... 

[/quote]

 

"And Lo, Delia & her acolytes were smitten down, even unto the third generation. And they cast their eyes upon the heavens, And this they did say, with much wailing & gnashing of teeth " Woe be upon us, for now we see the error of our ways. Forgive us, Our Lord Smudger, forgive us for selling those dodgy pies & nicking all that dosh out of NCFC''s bank account" And the Lord Smudger did smile to see them in their torment. And Lo, his face finally fell in half."

I wondered what God was doing these days.

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[quote user="Smudger"]

We are now looking certanties for relegation this year [/quote]

 

If you know anything about football then you should know that nothing in this game is a certainty.

 

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[quote user="SPat"][quote user="Smudger"][quote user="SPat"][quote user="Smudger"]

... but with Earnie to move on in the summer and the board, bank manager etc taking their cut on the initial investment made on Earnie back,
 
[/quote]

What exactly are you suggesting? That the board are looking to personally make money from a transfer, which incidentally may not even happen, or are you suggesting inappropriate/illegal financial management

[quote user="Smudger"]

We are now looking certanties for relegation this year and will be highly likely to follow that up with another relegation to the 4th tier of English football the following season...

[/quote]

What utter and complete pish.  Your overdramatisation of a bad situation would be laughable if it weren''t so tedious. Hypocritical compassion I say, you''d love it if we went down just so you could claim to have been right all along.
[/quote]

No I wouldn''t...  I would hate it if we went down...

You continue to bury your heads in the sand though...  because what I have stated will happen...  and all because you and thousands of others like you have given this inept board of ours chance, after chance, after chance which has been thrown back in your faces!!!

or is the Super Chris Martin (England''s future number 9) going to save us all???  Don''t make me laugh!!!

[/quote]

And what will do if it doesn''t happen? because as often as you say it doesn''t make it a certainty. It''s possible, but IMO unlikely.

In what way am I or anyone else "burying our heads in the sand"? Unless there are other investors lined up then there is little point in hounding the board out.

How about answering some questions properly. What are you suggesting about the board "taking a cut" of transfer fees? What do you actually suggest should be done aside from "sack the board", which can only be done by new owners of the club. Who exactly are these new owners to be? It''s easy to throw mud, how about some constructive solutions.

By the way, have you actually seen Chris Martin play?
[/quote]

Suggestions were made to the board to approach certain people looking to invest in a football club...  they decided to bury their head in the sand saying that any individual wishing to invest should be knocking on the doors of Carrow Road with a City scarf in hand proclaiming their undying love to the club...  even if they are blatantly a Hull City or Bristol City/Rovers fan or whatever other club they actually grew up supporting.

As foir transfer fees... as is the Norwich way (and always has been)... any player sold, bank manager takes his cut (usually for money oweing from original fee paid out when signing that player), then board takes their cut to pay for a new bit of land, new restaurant, club shop, hotel or whatever off field activities are floating their boat at that particular time... then the manager ends up with ramining proceeds if any for team strengthening (usually about 30% to 40% of any incoming transfer fee)...  This does not boarder on libellous... any City fan knows that to be fact of what has happened over the years...

As for constructive criticism there are plenty of potential buyers out there... Delia & Co need to start looking for them instead of making up excuses...  They should be caling Mr Souness tonight asking him if he would like to put an offer in for a controlling share in NCFC.

Finally Chris Brown...  have possibly seen him play... not that I noticed....

More to the point I have no desire to see players of the calibre of Chris Brown in a yellow & green shirt... and no intention of paying £20 to £30 a time for a ticket to have the privilege of doing so.... he is a waste of space...

If I have the desire to watch that standard of football I will go and watch Jewson League football and pay a fiver a time to clubs and players more deserving of the money!!!

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or is the Super Chris Martin (England''s future number 9) going to save us all???  Don''t make me laugh![/quote]

Course he isn''t.  He is youth, Grant has proven himself to be as youth ignoring as the worthy idiot.  And as the donkey at the back said, its dangerous to play youth, much better to play a donkey instead - we certainly have a few of them in the squad.

Yes thats you Thorne, Hughes, Robinson, Doherty.  I didnt add the lazy chaps, Etuhu and ''Phat'' McVeigh

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So this is debate?

Smudger turns up with a perfectly reasonable point and everyone conveniently turns away. I always thought Norfolk folk were more astute than this....but back to the "party line" eh?

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[quote]The current board have taken this club so far down the pan that it will take years to recover (and that is looking on the bright side).[/quote]

Or - the players form has suffered as the result of a lack of confidence, they can play well, just aren''t at the moment, and a shake-up is needed.  3 or 4 new signings should be enough to re-establish competition in a few places in the squad, and enable the team to regain a decent spine, which will in turn result in an unspectacular mid-table position at the end of the season, maybe even a Cup Run to the quarter-finals if we get lucky at Blackpool and in the draw for the next round.  But you can''t wind people up wth that scenario, can you ? [:|]

[quote]It is not only relegation this year that we should be concerned about... but with Earnie to move on in the summer and the board, bank manager etc taking their cut on the initial investment made on Earnie back, plus according to the Pink Un 13 more players being out of contract and no funds to overhaul a squad drastically short on quality and in depth where will that leave us the following season?[/quote]

You state that Earnie will move on in the summer.  Are you his agent ? Your suggestions that the bank manager etc., will take a cut are borderline libellous.  It''s the agents and players who drain clubs of money, not the other way around.

Players out of contract - Bearing in mind how long it took Darel Russell to find somewhere after his contract ran out :

Adam Drury - Settled in the area, new father, likely to stay.  Highly valued by the staff at Carrow Road too.

Gary Doherty - Unspectacular this season, might not get anything better than here.

Paul McVeigh - Serving Pies in the local Oggy Oggy Pastie shop any time soon.  One for you, one for me, one for my mate Mulryne.

Peter Thorne - Last seen drifting on a surfboard 3 miles north of Cromer.  Surf is definitely up today.

Craig Fleming - Last seen driving down to Bournemouth

Ian Henderson - Might join Rotherham, might earn a new contract.

Dion Dublin - Will hopefully stay and coach some poor misguided players.

Matthieu Louis-Jean - Emergency Ward 10.

Joe Lewis, Andrew Cave-Brown, Matthew Halliday, Robert Eagle and Andrew Fisk - Definitely will receive a new contract, as they will be cheap and our future.

The point is that most of these players could be easily replaced by other players coming to the end of their contracts.  Most of them aren''t even getting regular football, now that the reserve team play fewer fixtures than Anglian Combination teams. Now - if Earnie was coming to the end of his contract, that would be scary.

[quote]We are now looking certanties for relegation this year [/quote]

No, we are not.  A point a game will see us safe.

[/quote]

not if the teams below us are averaging 2 points a game.

jas :)

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[quote]We are now looking certanties for relegation this year [/quote]

No, we are not.  A point a game will see us safe.

[/quote]perhaps your name should be HAHAHAHA - point a game indeed!

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As foir transfer fees... as is the Norwich way (and always has been)... any player sold, bank manager takes his cut (usually for money oweing from original fee paid out when signing that player), then board takes their cut to pay for a new bit of land, new restaurant, club shop, hotel or whatever off field activities are floating their boat at that particular time... then the manager ends up with ramining proceeds if any for team strengthening (usually about 30% to 40% of any incoming transfer fee)...  This does not boarder on libellous... any City fan knows that to be fact of what has happened over the years...

 

Im sorry but i have not read anything so misinfomred for ages

1) bank managers take there cut - sorry do you know anything about this industry

2) 30-40% - haveyou based this purely on the ashotn earnshaw swap

Smudger I know that you are passionate about what you belive - but i am not sure that fabrication is the best way to help the club.  I sill belive that the club would not be where it is without the smiths and in all honesty its in a quite firm postion - at the end of the day the team on the pitch drives our feeling - we haveperfomred so well - I belive if we could find consitency a lot of this negatibity would go.

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So this is debate?

Smudger turns up with a perfectly reasonable point and everyone conveniently turns away. I always thought Norfolk folk were more astute than this....but back to the "party line" eh?

[/quote]

So, these are all "perfectly reasonable" points, are they?

"The current board have taken this club so far down the pan that it will take years to recover (and that is looking on the bright side)."  and  "We are now looking certanties for relegation this year and will be highly likely to follow that up with another relegation to the 4th tier of English football the following season..."

They sound rather more like deluded ranting and raving to me.

Somewhere in amongst the rant was something about the "13 players out of contract" which is only partly true (surely the Pinkun article stating it wasn''t trying to mislead?!).  There are actually 6 out of contract and 7 who we have ''one year options'' on, which is a rather different scenario [see thread from 14/1 which Web Team Pete put the list on].

The 6 out of contract in the summer are WLY, Thorne, MLJ, Hendo, Flem and DD (the latter purely because he is obviously on a one year contract).  Just which of these, other than DD (+ possibly Hendo) is Smudger suggesting we should keep, based on current showing??

The 7 include Drury and Doc, otherwise (as far as I recall) they are youngsters and I think they include Fisk, Halliday, Eagle, Spillane, but since we have an option on them they are not going to leave unless we want them to.

The fact is that all sides will have players released who will be available on a free, why should we be any different?  Other than DD and Hendo the rest on the 6 out of contract are the players that have been moaned the most about on these boards, and I doubt none would command a transfer fee at present.   If they leave they will free up a lot of cash for a ''refresh''.  That would surely be a good thing.

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[quote user="ronbol ronbol"][quote user="blahblahblah"]

[quote]We are now looking certanties for relegation this year [/quote]

No, we are not.  A point a game will see us safe.

[/quote]

perhaps your name should be HAHAHAHA - point a game indeed!
[/quote]

That is what I thought Ronbol but didn''t want to rise to it...

Was looking at our remaining fixtures earlier this week and we estimated that we would get somewhere between 11 and 15 points between now and the end of the season.  15 points would of possibly been enough to keep us up if the teams below us were to fail (these estimates were prior to the Earnie being out for the rest of the season were taken in to account)...

Now I think we are going to struggle to get 10 points....  Leaving us with a grand total of 44 points...  Certain relegation candidates if ever you have seen one!!!

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We are exceeding a point a game so far this season and with the likes of QPR, Southend, Hull, Leeds and Barnsley in a worse of state than we are then we ''should'' be safe from relegation.

Finishing 17th or so is not acceptable from this squad and we do remain at risk of relegation - but I think we will scrape the 16 points needed - I think even smudger (maybe - cant remember who) had us squeezing another 22 points out - which will see us comfortably safe.

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[quote user="ZippersLeftFoot"]

We are exceeding a point a game so far this season and with the likes of QPR, Southend, Hull, Leeds and Barnsley in a worse of state than we are then we ''should'' be safe from relegation.

Finishing 17th or so is not acceptable from this squad and we do remain at risk of relegation - but I think we will scrape the 16 points needed - I think even smudger (maybe - cant remember who) had us squeezing another 22 points out - which will see us comfortably safe.

[/quote]

Certainly wasn''t me Zipper....  even before the news on Earnie, after Saturday''s result I was going for 11 to 15 points from our remaining 18 games...

15 points would see us on 49 points...  whther that would be enough is debatable...

Current form is 5 points from our last 8 games (5 points in 9 after Saturday)...  relegation form!!!

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As foir transfer fees... as is the Norwich way (and always has been)... any player sold, bank manager takes his cut (usually for money oweing from original fee paid out when signing that player), then board takes their cut to pay for a new bit of land, new restaurant, club shop, hotel or whatever off field activities are floating their boat at that particular time... then the manager ends up with ramining proceeds if any for team strengthening (usually about 30% to 40% of any incoming transfer fee)...  This does not boarder on libellous... any City fan knows that to be fact of what has happened over the years...

 

Im sorry but i have not read anything so misinfomred for ages

1) bank managers take there cut - sorry do you know anything about this industry

2) 30-40% - haveyou based this purely on the ashotn earnshaw swap

Smudger I know that you are passionate about what you belive - but i am not sure that fabrication is the best way to help the club.  I sill belive that the club would not be where it is without the smiths and in all honesty its in a quite firm postion - at the end of the day the team on the pitch drives our feeling - we haveperfomred so well - I belive if we could find consitency a lot of this negatibity would go.

[/quote]

Yes...  and on other recent departures...  Green, McKenzie etc about 10% of the fee recieved would be closer the mark!!!

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There was a post on the first page by Smudger in which he constantly used "..." (I forget the actual name for them).Now I''m not normally one to cast wild and unfounded aspersions based on minimal evidence, but this thread seems to have set a precedent, so I''ll carry on:Are Smudger and Cluck the same person? Maybe Smudger is Cluck''s son living in the same house and has not realised his father is logged in? Maybe Cluck and Smudger are just friends living together or maybe they''ve become such good mates from meeting on these boards that they regularly meet up to create new vitriol - two heads are, of course, better than one.  Maybe they''ve simply been ranting so much that the weight of their words has caused some cosmic rift and they''re starting to merge into one gestalt entity?Or maybe it''s because they both just talk sh*te?Answers on a post card...

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"..." are ellipsis. The mean "I am omitting part of my logical arguement/quote at this point". I always find it a quite interesting exercise to try and fit the missing steps into cluck''s posts, it can be quite informative.

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Norwich really aren''t a million miles away, there''s far too much panic. Too many drama queens making it seem worse than it is.

Thanks to Earnie''s injury we need to bring a new striker in but other than that the only area that needs real work is the defence. Colin and Shackell aren''t good enough and the Doc has lost the confidence and form he had shown.

The midfield is looking pretty good although I don''t think Hucks looks the same player under Grant as he did under Worthy. Croft is probably trying a bit too hard at the minute but it''ll come for him. Safri is obviously quality, we all know that. Dickson isn''t doing anywhere near as bad as some seem to think but he is definitely a confidence player and he''s got a lot more ability than he sometimes shows.

If we sign another striker now that''ll give us Earnie, Brown, Dion and whoever we sign as proper striker options. That''s not too bad. Then it also gives us the option to drop Dion into centreback.

If we signed a couple of defenders and another striker then we''d have a good first 11 and a pretty strong bench to go with it.

We aren''t that far away at all...just need a couple more players to come in and we''ll turn the corner.

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