Rudolph Hucker 0 Posted September 25, 2006 What on earth does the statement of Delia and Michael mean? It seems to be all things to all people.Why not tell Worthington, in private, he has an ultimatum and then make a clear and unequivocal statement if he fails to deliver.The media will just love this, it makes Sky''s broadcast of a non-entity game suddenly interesting on a national stage and I have to wonder if Sky forced the statement from the Club somehow.This will really sour Worthington''s relationship with just about everyone and a dithering board have even managed to put themselves in a quandry. What will be judged as good enough over the next two games?When Mike Walker was on his way out a couple of spanking home performances couldn''t stop his departure so surely if it has come to this and the underlying problems-well documented on this Board are there for all to see the why dangle him this carrot?Perhaps they want him to walk, perhaps he has been set up to fail this season, perhaps his leaving voluntarily will affect his golden goodbye? Makes you wonder if departure terms are already being discussed.Whatever the result against Burnley we will then spend two weeks in uncertainty, two weeks when a new broom could begin to sweep.This is a typical Delia Dog''s Breakfast like the ''lets be having you rant.'' Can''t she use one of her well paid staff to deal with issues such as this?She deals with matters like she cooks, leaving things to stand, rest or soak before going back to them. In football that is just a recipe for disaster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canary cherub 1 Posted September 25, 2006 Exactly, Rude Old.When they talk about an "improvement", it follows their comment about "lack of passion". Therefore it could mean that as long as the players show passion in the next two games, the results are not all-important. It could mean just about anything, in fact. I hadn''t related it to the fact that we''re on Sky, but you could be right. Please Michael, keep Delia off the booze before the game . . . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
......and Smith must score. 1,284 Posted September 25, 2006 Good post Rudolph ......I think you''ve summed up the Board''s ditherings perfectly.One good thing being that once the trapdoor starts creaking under the manager''s feet it usually spells the end.Don''t be be too surprised that should we lose to Burnley we find he''s gone by Monday morning anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lucky green trainers 0 Posted September 25, 2006 my view rude old is that worthy has flushed out delia & michael with his ''under no pressure'' comments - either he is eyeing up a future beyong carra rd, or perhaps they are suggesting if another club comes in, he should jump - perhaps they''ve heard rumors and fancy letting him go without the need to sack him and pay up his contract. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trevor Chilver 0 Posted September 25, 2006 Well written and I totally agree.Their statement is frankly, typical of their weak management that has contributed to the position we are in. It is a no win situation for both parties and Nigel Worthington is hanging on to his job without any self respect or dignity that will put off potential new employers. He is like a limpet and I wish he had emplated those qualities into our defence and midfield. The Church bells of Norfolk will be ringing throughout the county when he falls on his sword, so to speak!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shyster 0 Posted September 25, 2006 I don''t know if this latest piece of information is anything to go by, but an estate agent friend of mine has told me that his North Norfolk property was put on the market this morning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canary cherub 1 Posted September 25, 2006 [quote user="lucky green trainers"]my view rude old is that worthy has flushed out delia & michael with his ''under no pressure'' comments - either he is eyeing up a future beyong carra rd, or perhaps they are suggesting if another club comes in, he should jump - perhaps they''ve heard rumors and fancy letting him go without the need to sack him and pay up his contract.[/quote]But . . . if another club is interested, and they want him to leave without paying off his contract, why not simply keep quiet and let nature take its course? Doesn''t make total sense, but nor does any of it.The sheer number of angles we''ve come up with on this subject goes to prove Rude Old''s point. The statement is so ambiguous that you can read just about anything into it.What''s strange is that after being so off the radar until now about the club''s targets and expectations for the season, they''ve suddenly come out with this. Is Delia bringing out a new book for Christmas and wants to raise her profile? (That''s a joke by the way - at least I hope it is.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJ 0 Posted September 25, 2006 Rudolph, I can see where you are coming from but we don''t know what has been said behind closed doors. I think there would have been much harsher words than what we have heard today.Yes, it probably should have been done before but its a start. Little acorns and all that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,329 Posted September 25, 2006 I agree with everything thats written here RH. I could have written this after the Plymouth match, and believe I did write something similar about the performance, I blamed the players more than the manager but the whole lot of them weren''t good enough. And in my eyes this statement is just another concerned fans post on the messageboard. What happens if we win the next 2 games and then go on to lose the next 3? Will there be another statement then? Are we now expected to win every game? What constitutes and improvement? I know Delia and Michael to be fans first and foremost so the fact that this just reads the way it does is no surprise to me. One can only assume that a different statement was privately made to the manager, coaching staff and players stating more clearly what was required to "turn things round"! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZLF 261 Posted September 25, 2006 Its exactly what they want it to be - ambiguos; its an apology and hope for fans, an attempt to quell a protest while at the same time knowingly running the risk of inflaming protests and increasing pressure on the manager; while enabling them to avoid any critiism of construtive criticism.A ''clever'' statement that speaks volumes without saying a thing and keep all options open for them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mello Yello 2,263 Posted September 25, 2006 So, if we only manage a 0-0 draw on Sunday, will Nana Delia take Nigel''s Sony Playstation 2 away for a day? Stop his pocket money? A distinct lack of Ballcocks from the hierarchy.A stage managed ''keep the support on our side'' and ''seen to be doing!'' spinny thingy! It''s like an annexe to the Labour Party conference........Why oh why? Do we fall for it every time!?Keep them on the rack! This statement means nothing to me..........Just protecting their image....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cluck 0 Posted September 25, 2006 Very very well put Sir!The club is pretty much a laughing stock down here where I live.....and that view must be echoed up and down the country. We are currently seen as a ''no guts'' club just fannying about these days. I''m pretty embarrassed as I love my home city and our proud county......and those characteristics DO NOT typify the way we traditionally behave. Honesty and courage is the Norwich way as I see it....not spin and bullsh*t. Leave that mullarky to the politicians. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Judge 0 Posted September 26, 2006 This is a really interesting thread with some excellent points being made..I must admit i also feel this is a very ambigous statement. I do feel the growing unrest and voices for Delia and the board to say something has forced this statement. For them to remain silent any longer (regardless of what they said) would have been perceived as a significant sign of weakness. The board want to be seen as being strong, and ambitious - however all their actions to date have contradicted this - however now their plans are going tits up and to protect themselves they are starting to try to distance themselves from the manager - which I feel will only have one outcome - hopefully sooner rather than later for the benefit of the fans and the team.I would have preferred the removal of Worthington straight away - why another 2 games ? surely the results and performances of the last 2 seasons warrant this. However by saying what they have will ultimately force them to make a decision if the results go against us. But what if we win them ? - pressumably this will mean Worthington will stay in charge - but for how long ??.They would need to word their statement very carefully if this was to happen. I also feel if we do win the next 2 games the divide between the fans will become even deeper. Each subsequent game we lose - will Delia issue another statement ?? Its a great shame it has come to this. But we need to move forwards now and Delias statement in my view will only have one outcome - the removal of Worthington - but it also has the potential to prolong and intensify the unrest also. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rudolph Hucker 0 Posted September 26, 2006 Welcome to the Board Nora...I like your style! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gazzathegreat 0 Posted September 26, 2006 [quote user="cluckin-nora"]Very very well put Sir!The club is pretty much a laughing stock down here where I live.....and that view must be echoed up and down the country. We are currently seen as a ''no guts'' club just fannying about these days. I''m pretty embarrassed as I love my home city and our proud county......and those characteristics DO NOT typify the way we traditionally behave. Honesty and courage is the Norwich way as I see it....not spin and bullsh*t. Leave that mullarky to the politicians. [/quote] Nora, please remember, we DON''T do flick, farting, or fannying..... Order of the management.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saint Canary 0 Posted September 26, 2006 I find it interesting that the statement was made at a time when not only the feeling of Worthy Out was high but also the level of complaint aimed at the board. Just taking this forum there have been a lot of questions asked about Delia et all regarding money, transfers etc, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bernard Futter 0 Posted September 26, 2006 Excellent post Rudolph. but I cannot see the buffoon walking voluntarily.There are times in the life of all managers - even the great ones like Brian Clough - where their inspirational formula doesn''t work anymore.Worthington must have realsed that the slender talents he originally brought to the party were exhausted a long time ago. The bottom line is he is way out of his depth and he must know it deep down. (Unless he''s even more stupid than we think!)If he had any genuine regard for the Club and its loyal following, he would have done the decent thing and resigned midway through last season at the latest. He knows this is his last crack at the (relative) big time with its financial rewards and that the Rochdales of this world beckon him from now on... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rudolph Hucker 0 Posted September 26, 2006 gazzathegreat wrote: Nora, please remember, we DON''T do flick, farting, or fannying..... Order of the management..Gazza, does this include bean flicks and fanny farts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
percyvarco 0 Posted September 26, 2006 The statement calls for an improvement from the Manager and the Squad. The lot of them cannot be sacked. I know that the responsibility is with the Manager so why include the sqaud in the "ultimatum". If we play well and lose is this the squad doing a job and the manager saved? Its all a bit wooly to me and to call it an ultimatum is stretching it a bit. But as pointed out good for Sky. Drunken Lets Be Avin you at half time or public falling on the sword at the final whistle press conferance..........All good for Murdoch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gazzathegreat 0 Posted September 26, 2006 [quote user="Rudolph Hucker"]gazzathegreat wrote: Nora, please remember, we DON''T do flick, farting, or fannying..... Order of the management.. Gazza, does this include bean flicks and fanny farts?[/quote] Wouldn''t know Rude Old, better ask Nigel, while he''s still around.......... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Bunny 292 Posted September 26, 2006 Sorry but I have to disagree with most of the posters here. This is the closest we''ve come to a statement from the board that Worthy''s future at the club is in any way under threat. This has to be good news for anyone who supports Norwich right now. Whatever your views it''s a significant move from their previously endless "stand by the manager" statements, and the board know they''ll be held by these statements if the next two results don''t go our way. Sure, it may fall short of an ultimatum, but what did you expect? It could well be that a lot more has been said behind closed doors. It''s not necessarily in the board''s interests to release every detail and it''s unrealistic for fans to expect this. This isn''t going to quell the protests. If anything those protesting will sense an opportunity now that they know the board are listening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
queen be 0 Posted September 26, 2006 I''m glad they have been forced into making a statement, and I too fear that if Nige is let off the hook darker times are ahead. I will be at the protest whatever the result, as for me it will be ''too little, too late''. come on, lets get Churbs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saint Canary 0 Posted September 26, 2006 Anyone notice that this has not been the main headline on the official site? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mbncfc 1 Posted September 26, 2006 Yes, I did. It''s kind of tucked away down the list. I think it''s only on there to prove it''s true.I think they probably struggled with anything positive, so went with trying to make it less prominent instead.God, we''re all left in such an unhealthy situation... the statement has left everyone out to dry (much like ''nutty nigel''s'' washing line pole...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GPB 0 Posted September 26, 2006 Very good post Rude Old Chap.To recap :Scenario 1. We lose the next two. Worthy sacked. Take Hillman Hunter with him, and hopefully room in the car for Livermore (and his bag of balls) and Webb. Actually could take Ricky Martin too. This works IF the board have already made their minds up, and have a replacement in mind. Frankly I doubt it.Scenario 2. We win the next two. Delia smiles because she believes her statement has made the difference. Worthy stays. We get relegated.I will henceforth call this the "Nightmare Scenario"Scenario 3. We draw. All sides see this as success. Nigel claims "lots of positives", Delia cites "improvement". Worthy stays. See earlier "Nightmare Scenario"So. Quite unbelieveably, for the good of the future of the Club , we have to lose the next two games. We may get away with a bloody good thumping againt Burnley. Even so Delia has left herself in a ridiculous situation. She may as well have sacked him now. Unless she has already spoken with Worthy and all of this is a ruse to give him a few days to walk. In which case I take it all back.P.S. I FEAR that Hillman may be given the job. That would be it for me and my whole family plus four gunn club tickets, around £1400 (plus overpriced sausage and chips each week.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rudolph Hucker 0 Posted September 26, 2006 If Worthington is not sacked now GPB I think the fans will go ballistic at Delia and the Board because so much water has gone under the (Carrow) bridge two games will make no difference. The comment does not make mention of Worthington being dismissed but everyone is taking it as being a promise of exactly that. It''s like three weeks to clear his desk.What a bloody shambles! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cluck 0 Posted September 27, 2006 Serious apologeticos for my languarge......I will be less fannyful in future....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites