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what if edworthy, jonson, francis (holt) & svenson had stayed one more season.

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we can all see the problem areas of right back, right wing, midfield and a target man need adressing for the coming season. funny that, we let key players go from those positions after our relegation and never replaced them properly.What if, eddy or helveg, holt or francis, jonson & svenson had stayed for at least one more season?  We''d have been in the play-offs wouldn''t we at least?  lets face it - there was no big spenders last season as in previous years, like man city & fulham - it should have been a relatively good opportunity to get back at the first attempt.  we were made favourites and worthy declared ''no excuses.''  this season brum & brom both want to retain as much of the present squad as possible to bounce straight back.   seems to me like worthy dumped some quality players and drafted in replacements who just didn''t have the same class.who should carry the can for this clear lack of ambition - worthy or the board.  i think the board realised they should have stumped up more cash for the squad, and feel as much to blame as worthy has been for this season, and perhaps thats why they feel unable to sack him.  whatever the reason, its been a missed opportunity, because this next season will be tougher - make no mistake.

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I''ve been saying this since the early part of this season. We had players already here who had shown they could do a good job in this league and showed a desire to play for this football club. Jonson for example wanted to stay and prove to us the fans that he could do a good job for us. But he wasn''t given that opportunity and like Svensson and Edworthy (players who wanted to stay) and the replacements have not been anywhere near up to the standard required. Worthington has made some awful decisions and letting go of good players who wanted to stay was one of the biggest.

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I agree with the sentiment, but talk about twisting the truth!!

Svensson went home, where he wanted to be rather than sat on a bench in East Anglia being generally disliked by the fickle fan brigade, Edworthy turned down an extension and then changed his mind and Jonson we got good money for a player who was basically average.

Yes, he was a good first div player but 700k for that? I''d have bitten their arm off.

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Add Malkay to that list - still proving he can cut it with ease in the Championship.

Letting key players go has been the main aspect of our plight over the past two seasons. How about Paul Crichton too? He featured in almost every chapter of Iwan Robert''s book as a key figure and motivator in the dressing room.

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All good players yes. But do you think they would have performed at this level?

The indications are no.

What I mean by that is would they have all left if they wanted to be here?

If you don''t want to be at a club are you going to perform to the highest level?

None of them were asked to leave so it must be the players themselves who didn''t want to play championship football.

I suspect you would have seen average performances from most.

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[quote user="Mook"]

I agree with the sentiment, but talk about twisting the truth!!

Svensson went home, where he wanted to be rather than sat on a bench in East Anglia being generally disliked by the fickle fan brigade, Edworthy turned down an extension and then changed his mind and Jonson we got good money for a player who was basically average.

Yes, he was a good first div player but 700k for that? I''d have bitten their arm off.

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svenson could have been convinced to stay but worthy didnt care. Jonson - well as Andy Hughes and jurgen colin were signed  I would swap them to get  jonson back in an instant. eddy was offerered 1 year......

we got what we deserved...  9th well done you pillock

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[quote user="BedsCanary"]

Add Malkay to that list - still proving he can cut it with ease in the Championship.

Letting key players go has been the main aspect of our plight over the past two seasons. How about Paul Crichton too? He featured in almost every chapter of Iwan Robert''s book as a key figure and motivator in the dressing room.

[/quote]No actually lets not bring in Malky, Iwan or Crichton.Malky went because we were in the premiership and were not going to be able to guarantee him games. We had a good offer come in for a 33 year old and took it. In my honest opinion his lack of pace and distribution in the premiership would have been obvious and sussed out straight away. Do people forget that if it is long "hoof" ball that you hate the most - he was a specialist at it?He went to West Ham were he was not a constant feature and has become the height at the back for Watford. Yes he can cut it at this level but would he really have waited a season to find out if we were back here or still up there? Lets see if they go up and then what happens from there.As for Crichton, he was what 36/37 when he left us. He may well have been a good motivational player but unfortunately you cant simply keep players for that reason. If they are never going to play then perhaps they should be moved on for their sake and to free up wages.As for the players that left in the summer, I think Jonson was the only one that would have stayed. The others all had their own motives for leaving, Helveg - Denmark World Cup team, Svensson wanted to go home to finnish his career, Francis we all know about and there is no point arguing over, Mulryne wanted to leave to get regular first team football which  he wasnt getting because he no longer wanted to challenge for a place.Hypertheticaly speaking - yes with those players in the team still we would have had a great squad - but unfortunately for the whitch hunters - no flesh to pick off this bone! Simply not Worthingtons fault.

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did anyone ever see jonson go past any opposition on the wing?
he was average to say the least but then again so is this league.

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[quote user="Mook"]

I agree with the sentiment, but talk about twisting the truth!!

Svensson went home, where he wanted to be rather than sat on a bench in East Anglia being generally disliked by the fickle fan brigade, Edworthy turned down an extension and then changed his mind and Jonson we got good money for a player who was basically average.

Yes, he was a good first div player but 700k for that? I''d have bitten their arm off.

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It had nothing to do with wanting out of the club. Svennson wanted a 2 year contract and Worthy told him that, because of his age he could only have a 1 year contract. So Svenn left. Then, a few weeks later Worthy offered Peter Thorne (who is 1 year older than Svennson) a 3-year deal. Hmmm.

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[quote user="Chris Meadows"]

jonson would be a good player at this level.

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Yes but he had a year left, if we had gone up this season then you would have a player who didn''t cut it at Premiership level and would have been released. So when offered what you paid after an indifferent season you take it.

I am not averse to any players being moved on as long as the replacements are a significant improvement. That simply hasn''t been the case and therefore letting the likes of Holt, Edworthy, Malky and Svennson go was an error of judgement

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i think Jonson could of done well in the premiership after a season in the championship to be honest.. i think he''d of been excellent this season!

 Francis would of bossed the midfeild as before, Eddie gave us what we needed at full back and Holt.. well he was out of his depth in the premiership and looked like "little boy lost" but he could do it in the championship.

 As for Svenners... i think you dont realise just how good a player he is until hes gone. He could be awful one week and good the next.. but then there are "svensson style" games... his sort of game where he could make an Impact.. Charlton at home last year, Stoke at home in the promotion season.

even this season i think Derby away would of been a svensson style game, and sheff wed at home..he could of made a huge difference to performance and score

jas :)

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[quote user="BedsCanary"][quote user="Mook"]

I agree with the sentiment, but talk about twisting the truth!!Svensson went home, where he wanted to be rather than sat on a bench in East Anglia being generally disliked by the fickle fan brigade, Edworthy turned down an extension and then changed his mind and Jonson we got good money for a player who was basically average.

Yes, he was a good first div player but 700k for that? I''d have bitten their arm off.

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It had nothing to do with wanting out of the club. Svennson wanted a 2 year contract and Worthy told him that, because of his age he could only have a 1 year contract. So Svenn left. Then, a few weeks later Worthy offered Peter Thorne (who is 1 year older than Svennson) a 3-year deal. Hmmm.

[/quote]This does sound interesting but is the first I have heard of it!! I had heard some time before the end of the season that Svensson wanted to return home. To be honest with you if you look at the situation I think that what you have said is ill informed. Simply because if Svensson wasnt worried about staying here he could have easily found another Championship team to play for. I think it was his intention to go home should we get relegated and he did.As for Thorne - I don''t think his wages would be near what we were paying Svensson who came down from a premiership team and he was on a free so we could afford to take a risk. Essentially it would come down to if we could afford to release them should we have to.

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[quote user="Yellow Rages"]

All good players yes. But do you think they would have performed at this level?

The indications are no.

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I am not sure where you get this from as all bar jonson, were members of the promotion winning side. I can assure you that eddy wanted to stay but was only offered a 1 year deal.

Also you mention average performances - that is all we needed this year.  But we got abysmal performances.

Most of the players were emminently releasable, its just Worthy has failed to replace a single player with an equivalent or better one.  except maybe Ashton by Erny.

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You know what jas when worthless goes will u please become our manager because everything in that post made perfect sense and i thought was spot on, also u seem to watch the games which is more than worthless does and u also seem to know more about tactics than worthless.

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We will never know. We might well have gone back up but who really knows. A lot of teams struggle after getting relegated so I don''t think it would have been a given if they had stayed! IMO we''ve really missed Svensson''s ability to pass the ball about and out to the wing for Huckerby, and Francis in midfield. Edworthy would have done a great job at right back as well.

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[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"][quote user="Yellow Rages"]

All good players yes. But do you think they would have performed at this level?

The indications are no.

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I am not sure where you get this from as all bar jonson, were members of the promotion winning side. I can assure you that eddy wanted to stay but was only offered a 1 year deal.

Also you mention average performances - that is all we needed this year.  But we got abysmal performances.

Most of the players were emminently releasable, its just Worthy has failed to replace a single player with an equivalent or better one.  except maybe Ashton by Erny.

[/quote]I am not sure that this is accurate. So far as I understand two contracts were offered to Edworthy - the first may well have been only a year extension, athough I believe it was a two year deal. He turned it down for being too short as his priotity was length. Later on towards the end of the season we put down another contract with the length of time he wanted with a slight reduction in wages.This was obviously not as good as the offer from Derby and he went on his merry way.

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Eddy and Svensson were the biggest mistakes in my opinion. Nobody this season has been good enough to hold down the right back position and Svensson would have scored goals at this level.

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The fans wanted Francis to leave

The fans were constantly having a go at Holt, and wanted him to leave.

Svensson was getting booed.

So "The best fans in the world" hardly helped the cause...

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The concensus opinion seems to be that svensson wanted to stay and was missmanaged out.He left due to a clause in his contract that said he could speak to anyone if they would offer £200,000 and we got relegated.Who put that clause in exactly? - If it was worthy then i''m suprised he manages to shave of a morning without slitting his throat- It must therefore have been the player - so he was planning that he would leave on relegation well in advance. Part of this clause is also that the club HAVE to sell if the price is met.

Edworthy - turned down a deal when he was first choice trying to get a better one- stopped being first choice- didn''t get a better deal, as now not a first teamer, so turned that down to try again- club said okay then, we will call your bluff and so he lefthe played a dangerous game with his contract and lost - if he''d taken the first one he''d still be here, and probably earning more than he is now 

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