Will protests put new signings off ?

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Here''s a question : Will the protests against the clubs management impact on our ability to sign decent players over the summer ?

Do people in here think that new signings will want to play for teams where they can expect to be treated by the crowd in the manner that our players have been at times this season ?  I''m thinking of Andy Hughes getting booed every time he kicks a ball during certain matches, and the barracking of Robert Green''s long balls which made Anglia TV news.

If I was a player given the choice of say West Brom and Norwich, knowing that one team had the fans behind their team and the other didn''t, I know which club I''d pick.

If it becomes apparent in negotiations that the protests have become a reason for not joining City, will the club announce this as a reason they missed out on certain players ?  Will fans blame the board for not sacking Worthington in the first place ?

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I think the players leaving us having a dig at worthy may not help. Not that I''m bothered because he wont try to sign anyone good/big enough anyhow. Worthy out.

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Doubt it, I doubt anybody outside of Norfolk even knows they happened.....

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[quote]Not that I''m bothered because he wont try to sign anyone good/big enough anyhow. [/quote]

We''ve signed some very good players over the last few years, admittedly mainly on loan, but those that have stayed have been a real benefit to the club.  So why don''t you think that Worthington is capable of landing a big fish now ?

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Here''s a question : Will the protests against the clubs management impact on our ability to sign decent players over the summer ?

Do people in here think that new signings will want to play for teams where they can expect to be treated by the crowd in the manner that our players have been at times this season ?  I''m thinking of Andy Hughes getting booed every time he kicks a ball during certain matches, and the barracking of Robert Green''s long balls which made Anglia TV news.

If I was a player given the choice of say West Brom and Norwich, knowing that one team had the fans behind their team and the other didn''t, I know which club I''d pick.

If it becomes apparent in negotiations that the protests have become a reason for not joining City, will the club announce this as a reason they missed out on certain players ?  Will fans blame the board for not sacking Worthington in the first place ?

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I think the comments by leaving players about the horrible management by Worthington will likley put more players off coming here.

 

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I think that if we start getting negative comments from the players that get picked that we should really start worrying.

The parting shot from Birmingham''s captain yesterday was that the board and manegement had made Birmingham a club without a soul.

[quote]Out-going Birmingham captain Kenny Cunningham has hit out at the club and manager Steve Bruce following their relegation from the Premiership.

Cunningham said: "Unfortunately, and I take no pleasure in saying this, the only person who must take responsibility is the manager.

"While things remain the same, the fans and players will never experience the kind of success they deserve.

"Birmingham has no heartbeat and, more worryingly, no soul."

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And you think we''ve got problems...

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I think that if we start getting negative comments from the players that get picked that we should really start worrying.

The parting shot from Birmingham''s captain yesterday was that the board and manegement had made Birmingham a club without a soul.

[quote]Out-going Birmingham captain Kenny Cunningham has hit out at the club and manager Steve Bruce following their relegation from the Premiership.

Cunningham said: "Unfortunately, and I take no pleasure in saying this, the only person who must take responsibility is the manager.

"While things remain the same, the fans and players will never experience the kind of success they deserve.

"Birmingham has no heartbeat and, more worryingly, no soul."

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And you think we''ve got problems...

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I guess we will find out but all I know is of the 3 players who have left this year (Ashton,Charlton and Jarret) not one has anything good to say about Worthington.

BTW Charlton and Ashton were both picked on a regular basis and Jarret was also picked (in 2 other teams!)

 

 

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Possibly, depends as CJF says, if anyone outside Norfolk knows they happened.

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[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]Doubt it, I doubt anybody outside of Norfolk even knows they happened.....[/quote]

Sorry they do. As an "exile," I regularly get the micky taken for it. We are viewed as another one of tose clubs with fickle fans who cheer when we are winning but boo when we don''t - like Wolves etc.

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Well the type of player Worthless Worthy signs we will be better off if they dont come . Fence the finger on the pulse of football fans thinking , and then he woke up .

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Absolute crap fence, I am in the Army and know loads of other footie

fans from all over, none have got a clue about it or have a bad word to

say about us.

I take it you are just trying to justify your constant digs at the

people that protested. The people that protested are quite entitled to

there opinion and your comments towards them have been quite vile at

times.

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[quote user="steve hale"]Absolute crap fence, I am in the Army and know loads of other footie fans from all over, none have got a clue about it or have a bad word to say about us.
I take it you are just trying to justify your constant digs at the people that protested. The people that protested are quite entitled to there opinion and your comments towards them have been quite vile at times.
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Well perhaps your friends are not very well informed! I don''t find that too difficult to imagine.

Perhaps I should qualify that by referring to fans that actively follow the game. In Sussex, there are several active football fans that have challenged me on the matter of our fickle fans - just as I have made similar comments to West Ham and Wolves fans.

Of course people are entitled to there (sic) opinions but by screaming them in the ears of those that disagree they are denying them  the right  to enjoy expensively bought tickets! But I know that this probably doesn''t bother you.

 

 

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They come and sign but the problem is that Worthington puts them off when they get here to play.The lights are on but there is nobody at home.

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[quote user="steve hale"]Absolute crap fence, I am in the Army and know loads of other footie fans from all over, none have got a clue about it or have a bad word to say about us.
I take it you are just trying to justify your constant digs at the people that protested. The people that protested are quite entitled to there opinion and your comments towards them have been quite vile at times.
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Well perhaps your friends are not very well informed! I don''t find that too difficult to imagine.

Perhaps I should qualify that by referring to fans that actively follow the game. In Sussex, there are several active football fans that have challenged me on the matter of our fickle fans - just as I have made similar comments to West Ham and Wolves fans.

Of course people are entitled to there (sic) opinions but by screaming them in the ears of those that disagree they are denying them  the right  to enjoy expensively bought tickets! But I know that this probably doesn''t bother you.

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if your friends realised all the good proffesionals released, left backs played in midfield, long balls up to midgets, strikers shoved out to right wing, god awful footballers played week in week out, 5 million quid spent to acheive 9th, and insults laid to the customers maybe they would realise why many fans want him gone, including the local supporters association, many local pundits (Kevin Piper, Chris Goreham, Richard Balls and Steve Gedge) even Neil Adams hasnt backed him in months (altho for fear of his position will not say he thinks he should depart).  Rick ''Manchester City fan'' Waghorn however backed him - he wanted all the best interviews, fortunatly this Manchester City fan will not be writing on our club in the local press again.... 

I will be in the stadium, and as I am not a true supporter, I won''t be acting like one.......

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"I will be in the stadium, and as I am not a true supporter, I won''t be acting like one......." Tis is a great shame for both the club and those sitting around you.

However, I have no doubt that if things go well you want to share the good times and swear your loyalty (until things go wrong again). If you see success as a must have accessory, why don’t you support Chelsea?

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"I will be in the stadium, and as I am not a true supporter, I won''t be acting like one......." Tis is a great shame for both the club and those sitting around you.

However, I have no doubt that if things go well you want to share the good times and swear your loyalty (until things go wrong again). If you see success as a must have accessory, why don’t you support Chelsea?

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Talking about fair weather fans GOTF, where were you when the likes of CJF and Co. were wringing their hands and beating their breasts in despair after some dreadful no shows in August, September and October, November, January, February March and April ?

  As your moniker and first post imply you were sitting on the fence, choosing only to get off it once results if not performances started going the way of NW. You are somewhat vituperous in attacking other posters here particularly choosing to use the fairweather fan tag, might I suggest you take a good look at yourself first, you exhibit the classic signs of repressed denial to me.

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Ooh look, Fence, irony at 15,000 feet and passing.

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Fence, I''m right with you on this one - the cheering of QPR''s goal on that black day actually made the local news up here in the North West, and I can confirm that well-informed fans of other clubs are thinking of NCFC fans in the same light as Wolves and Wet Sham fans, I''m afraid.  Oh, and as it seems you need to justify an opinion contrary to anybody else''s by stating your position, I too believe a change in management would freshen things up.

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"I will be in the stadium, and as I am not a true supporter, I won''t be acting like one......." Tis is a great shame for both the club and those sitting around you.

However, I have no doubt that if things go well you want to share the good times and swear your loyalty (until things go wrong again). If you see success as a must have accessory, why don’t you support Chelsea?

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I see left backs reguarly picked in midfield and a totally inept supposed football player/headless chicken picked every game??  I have every right to see the dull inept one in charge having had his day and long for the day this negative dour manager out of our club.

 

Anyway I always thought I was a true fan, but I have been told different by a failing man, a dour failing man whom has been dishonest in the press.  a doutr failing man whom has spent more money than any previous NCFC manager.  he has created a team of Bottlers and apathetic players  Hurrah for the inept clown!!

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"I will be in the stadium, and as I am not a true supporter, I won''t be acting like one......." Tis is a great shame for both the club and those sitting around you.

However, I have no doubt that if things go well you want to share the good times and swear your loyalty (until things go wrong again). If you see success as a must have accessory, why don’t you support Chelsea?

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I see left backs reguarly picked in midfield and a totally inept supposed football player/headless chicken picked every game??  I have every right to see the dull inept one in charge having had his day and long for the day this negative dour manager out of our club.

 

Anyway I always thought I was a true fan, but I have been told different by a failing man, a dour failing man whom has been dishonest in the press.  a doutr failing man whom has spent more money than any previous NCFC manager.  he has created a team of Bottlers and apathetic players  Hurrah for the inept clown!!

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[quote user="Getting off the fence"]

[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]Doubt it, I doubt anybody outside of Norfolk even knows they happened.....[/quote]

Sorry they do. As an "exile," I regularly get the micky taken for it. We are viewed as another one of tose clubs with fickle fans who cheer when we are winning but boo when we don''t - like Wolves etc.

[/quote]Like every other club in football then.

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Yes, he has spent more money than any previous NCFC manager, but that''s inflation for you.  That and 6 years in the job.

Left backs regularly in midfield ?  Would those players be considered utility players, who have done similar jobs successfully for other teams in the past ?  Do you know, I think they might be.

Yes, 9th is a shocking place to end up when you''re paying out the 2nd biggest wage bill in the league, I''m not surprised you''re a little grumpy about it.  But unlike you, I expect things to get a whole lot better next season, when (hopefully) we haven''t lost half the first team to injury over the period of 5 or 6 matches at a time.

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[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]Doubt it, I doubt anybody outside of Norfolk even knows they happened.....[/quote]

Sorry they do. As an "exile," I regularly get the micky taken for it. We are viewed as another one of tose clubs with fickle fans who cheer when we are winning but boo when we don''t - like Wolves etc.

[/quote]Like every other club in football then.[/quote]

Well said Charlies Dad. 

Southampton''s average attendance is down by 7,500 since last year.  My next door neighbour did not renew his season ticket last season because he refused to watch Championship football. 

Lets not make it out like we are the only supporters with "fickle fans" amongst us.

 

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Other fans can think what they like about us - i don''t care - and frankly if they think we are fickle then all they need to do is look at the attendance figures and season ticket renewals and they will see that we are not. Questioning the substandard crap that we see in front of us does not make us fickl. It shows we care. And as for West ham fans well yes mybe they are arrogant and mouthy and yes they are demanding but look where that has got them. Even when they came down they still made the playoffs both seasons and in their first year back they have had a temendous season. Maybe, just maybe that is because the manager there knows he has to perform in order to keep his job and because the fans demand it. Whereas at Carrow Raod there seem to be too many satisfied with mediocrity.

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[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]Doubt it, I doubt anybody outside of Norfolk even knows they happened.....[/quote]

Sorry they do. As an "exile," I regularly get the micky taken for it. We are viewed as another one of tose clubs with fickle fans who cheer when we are winning but boo when we don''t - like Wolves etc.

[/quote]Like every other club in football then.[/quote]Liverpool? They dont strike me as a team whose support turns up moaning! No they support 100%. The same goes for Celtic - the support give 100% during a match - they may whinge afterwards at the pub but I never remember them having fans who complain as much as some of our fans have this season.And you know what the hardest pill to swallow is? Even Ipswich havent moaned, whinged and whined as much as our fans! And we ARE the better team. Do you see Prestons fans complaining that they didnt make the prem? Palarse maybe but not Preston.Infact out of the top ten in the champ whose fans have you heard moan? I will give you the two or three - Wolves, us and Palarse. There you have it. Just like every other club in football.  All whinging that they should be in the premiership because their club is the one that deserves to be their by name and by right more than anyother!!!!Fickle or is that immature?

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[quote user="chicken"][quote user="charlies dad"][quote user="Getting off the fence"]

[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]Doubt it, I doubt anybody outside of Norfolk even knows they happened.....[/quote]

Sorry they do. As an "exile," I regularly get the micky taken for it. We are viewed as another one of tose clubs with fickle fans who cheer when we are winning but boo when we don''t - like Wolves etc.

[/quote]Like every other club in football then.[/quote]

Liverpool? They dont strike me as a team whose support turns up moaning! No they support 100%. The same goes for Celtic - the support give 100% during a match - they may whinge afterwards at the pub but I never remember them having fans who complain as much as some of our fans have this season.

And you know what the hardest pill to swallow is? Even Ipswich havent moaned, whinged and whined as much as our fans! And we ARE the better team. Do you see Prestons fans complaining that they didnt make the prem? Palarse maybe but not Preston.

Infact out of the top ten in the champ whose fans have you heard moan? I will give you the two or three - Wolves, us and Palarse. There you have it. Just like every other club in football.  All whinging that they should be in the premiership because their club is the one that deserves to be their by name and by right more than anyother!!!!

Fickle or is that immature?
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err Ipswich lost 54 goals in the summer in Miller, Kuqi and Bent, we have spent 5 million,  so what Chicken, brum and WBA fans are calling for their managers head??

And you mention Liverpool, bad move Chicken, as usual. Liverpool had fans calling for Gerard Houlliers head even after he led them to a cup treble??? A couple treble and 2 years later they are calling for his head!  How dare they, Such Fickle Fans!!!  They thought he had taken the club as far as he could. 

THEY WERE RIGHT!! he was signing poorer players and sending the cluib backwards.

FICKLE FANS CHICKEN, OR JUST CONCERNED FANS WHOM OPEN THERE EYES TO WHAT IS GOING ON??

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[quote user="chicken"][quote user="charlies dad"][quote user="Getting off the fence"]

[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]Doubt it, I doubt anybody outside of Norfolk even knows they happened.....[/quote]

Sorry they do. As an "exile," I regularly get the micky taken for it. We are viewed as another one of tose clubs with fickle fans who cheer when we are winning but boo when we don''t - like Wolves etc.

[/quote]Like every other club in football then.[/quote]

Liverpool? They dont strike me as a team whose support turns up moaning! No they support 100%. The same goes for Celtic - the support give 100% during a match - they may whinge afterwards at the pub but I never remember them having fans who complain as much as some of our fans have this season.

And you know what the hardest pill to swallow is? Even Ipswich havent moaned, whinged and whined as much as our fans! And we ARE the better team. Do you see Prestons fans complaining that they didnt make the prem? Palarse maybe but not Preston.

Infact out of the top ten in the champ whose fans have you heard moan? I will give you the two or three - Wolves, us and Palarse. There you have it. Just like every other club in football.  All whinging that they should be in the premiership because their club is the one that deserves to be their by name and by right more than anyother!!!!

Fickle or is that immature?
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I''m sure Chicken that City fans would not moan if they were winning trophies with the regularity that Liverpool and Celtic do, or even having relative success.    It''s not exactly hard to turn up to a Champions League final and show a bit of enthusiasm.  It is hard though to turn up to places like Stoke and see your team get stuffed by a team plodders.  You are comparing apples with pears here.

Let''s have a look at the "fuller picture" to use a phrase of yours.  If Liverpool finished this season 9th in the PL and went out of the Champions League and FA Cup in the early rounds thus not qualifying for Europe next season, do you honestly believe there would not be disaffection at Anfield?  Of course there would.  If Celtic had finished where Rangers are, do you think the fans would be calling for Strachan to leave, of course they would.

Pointing out teams like Preston and Ipswich not moaning means nothing because both sides met the expectations of preseason.  Ipswich lost their best players and did not replace them and no-one expected them to make the play-offs.  Preston were expected to make the play-offs and they did.  As you point out Palace fans have moaned, why?  Because the fans, the manager and chairman expected promotion, in fact the chairman guaranteed it.  Of the rest of the top 10 all those teams are where they expected to be or exceeded expectations and thus they have not moaned.

In all honesty no-one would have complained about us finishing 9th in season''s past but unfortunately Worthington''s success has raised the bar in terms of expectations.   

 

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[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]Doubt it, I doubt anybody outside of Norfolk even knows they happened.....[/quote]

Sorry they do. As an "exile," I regularly get the micky taken for it. We are viewed as another one of tose clubs with fickle fans who cheer when we are winning but boo when we don''t - like Wolves etc.

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Not where I live GOTF, we are well respected. At the end of the day it is the attendance figures which most people (including true football fans) base their opinions on and ours have been excellent. Nobody in my area has ever mentioned Norwich fans being whingers, there is always a bit of respect for our fans for being "decent" people and good supporters.

Mark .Y.

 

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[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]Doubt it, I doubt anybody outside of Norfolk even knows they happened.....[/quote]

Sorry they do. As an "exile," I regularly get the micky taken for it. We are viewed as another one of tose clubs with fickle fans who cheer when we are winning but boo when we don''t - like Wolves etc.

[/quote]Like every other club in football then.[/quote]

Well said Charlies Dad. 

Southampton''s average attendance is down by 7,500 since last year.  My next door neighbour did not renew his season ticket last season because he refused to watch Championship football. 

Lets not make it out like we are the only supporters with "fickle fans" amongst us. [/quote]

But do they cheer opposition goals…?

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I am reading a lot of double speak about how booing your team and cheering opposition goals is being a great supporter.

I hope that it is pleasant in your fantasy land where all you have to do to be loyal is to boo players vehemently and jump for joy at opposition goals. Then surely the board will listen, sack the manager and get us a saviour who will take us back up to the premiership – just like all the others managed – oops!

No doubt if we do well next year, you will think we all owe you a debt of gratitude for helping us turn it round.

I can see it now…..

"What do you think was the turning point Nigel?"

"It was when the loyal fans started cheering opposition goals against QPR last season. Me and the lads realised that we must provide you stalwarts with better, so we resolved to start trying and become brilliant and now we have – its all down to you – thanks for pointing out that we weren’t very good before. I had a word with Pardew and he said that this what did the trick for West ham too! But our fans went one step further and cheered the opposition, so we must reward them even more for their loyalty. Champions League anyone? "