We are more of a selling club than ever. The investors are….

[MC_NCFC 282]

Not happy with Hanley or Barnes.

Comms from the club are changing. They are becoming less subtle with their language. It is clear we will only have players here who we can reselll for a profit to appease the investor group. They are very keen to remove deadwood like Hanley and Barnes and bring in fresh blood who can give us a season or two before being sold at a profit. 
 

https://www.pinkun.com/sport/interviews/24774900.norwich-city-johannes-hoff-thorup-contract-strategy/

[Dean Coneys boots 1,550]

I actually think it’s a no brained to move on Hanley and Barnes if we can. But I was surprised to see Gunn mentioned too. He strikes me as an essential first team player without whom we look much weaker. But perhaps the wages are the issue 

[DraytonBoy 256]

It does say that they can look for an "overseas" club from January, I doubt any of them Gunn included will attract attention outside of the UK.

[A K Narey 258]

1 hour ago, DraytonBoy said:

It does say that they can look for an "overseas" club from January, I doubt any of them Gunn included will attract attention outside of the UK.

Although Gunn and Hanley are current Scottish internationals! 

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 4,746]

1 hour ago, DraytonBoy said:

It does say that they can look for an "overseas" club from January, I doubt any of them Gunn included will attract attention outside of the UK.

They can look for clubs outside of England from January 1, and Scottish clubs may be interested. 

[cambridgeshire canary 7,942]

A- Every club outside the top three or so Prem clubs is a selling club.

B- Selling our two oldest and arguably past it players inst a bad thing.

Edited December 6, 2024 by cambridgeshire canary

[Satriales 1,052]

What the heck would we do if Gunn left in January? 

[Up and Away 121]

2 hours ago, MC_NCFC said:

Not happy with Hanley or Barnes.

Comms from the club are changing. They are becoming less subtle with their language. It is clear we will only have players here who we can reselll for a profit to appease the investor group. They are very keen to remove deadwood like Hanley and Barnes and bring in fresh blood who can give us a season or two before being sold at a profit. 
 

https://www.pinkun.com/sport/interviews/24774900.norwich-city-johannes-hoff-thorup-contract-strategy/

Not sure anything has changed really.

Now the parachute payments have ended, the club are shopping in LIDL and Aldi rather than Sainsbury's. Young prospects and experienced journeymen, provided they are cheap. Look to turn a profit on the youngsters. One or two academy players into the first team squad each season will help too.

The wage bill is still far higher than can be sustained with existing revenue, unless offset by significant player sales. No surprise to see those on big money depart. Gunn will not be ready to take a big pay cut, so that will likely end with him leaving. 

[essex canary 632]

5 minutes ago, Satriales said:

What the heck would we do if Gunn left in January? 

It is a Long story.

[Up and Away 121]

8 minutes ago, Satriales said:

What the heck would we do if Gunn left in January? 

Lots of decent keepers currently second/third choice at their club who would relish regular football. It is an odd position to recruit into. Aside from the top end keepers, plenty of good ones who are available relatively cheaply. 

[chicken 3,142]

1 hour ago, DraytonBoy said:

It does say that they can look for an "overseas" club from January, I doubt any of them Gunn included will attract attention outside of the UK.

It's England rather than the UK. Scotland is an option.

[chicken 3,142]

2 hours ago, MC_NCFC said:

Not happy with Hanley or Barnes.

Comms from the club are changing. They are becoming less subtle with their language. It is clear we will only have players here who we can reselll for a profit to appease the investor group. They are very keen to remove deadwood like Hanley and Barnes and bring in fresh blood who can give us a season or two before being sold at a profit. 
 

https://www.pinkun.com/sport/interviews/24774900.norwich-city-johannes-hoff-thorup-contract-strategy/

This is absolutely nothing new. What was new was bringing in outfield players over the age of 31. That we hadn't done for quite some time.

Long term strategy is bang on. Hanley, Barnes, Fass, even Onel are all players many on here didn't think would be here beyond the summer. Some will be allowed to leave in Jan if a move can be found.

Gunn is more about his wages I suspect, and possibly if he's not signing a new reduced, longer term contract.

[cambridgeshire canary 7,942]

23 minutes ago, Satriales said:

What the heck would we do if Gunn left in January? 

Enjoy the delights of Long

[essex canary 632]

5 minutes ago, chicken said:

It's England rather than the UK. Scotland is an option.

Fair enough but it isn't 'overseas'. 

An interesting thought process. A little different to that followed by Basque Clubs.

[Mason 47 2,040]

Club in 'Looking to move on high earning older backups' shocker.

Next we'll be hearing Colney have a revolutionary new machine that cuts grass at great speeds.

[Soldier on 303]

2 hours ago, MC_NCFC said:

Not happy with Hanley or Barnes.

Comms from the club are changing. They are becoming less subtle with their language. It is clear we will only have players here who we can reselll for a profit to appease the investor group. They are very keen to remove deadwood like Hanley and Barnes and bring in fresh blood who can give us a season or two before being sold at a profit. 
 

https://www.pinkun.com/sport/interviews/24774900.norwich-city-johannes-hoff-thorup-contract-strategy/

We all know. Your continued attempts to act like you are in the know though are quite frankly very embarrassing. Didn’t you embarrass yourself enough in the summer ??

[Branston Pickle 4,172]

“More than ever”?  Nothing new here at all, really - just more of the same 

[hogesar 10,968]

This isn't really news for anyone apart from all those who spent years claiming we were only a selling club because of Delia. They wouldn't listen to the reality..

[Capt. Pants 5,161]

Nothing to see here really although I'd query if it's anything to do with investors rather Knapper's strategy.

This season it's Barnes and Hanley, at the end of next it will probably be McLean and Duffy. 

 

[essex canary 632]

I put it down to the Welsh.

[wcorkcanary 4,841]

Two attempts at humour this morning from you  Kev, the Long one , vaguely humorous,  but a bit Dad jokeish. The latest ' Welsh ' one... you'd  need some context and relevance there to make it funny. A bit like your campaign, though that is funny without context or relevance.  Hope this helps you stumble back towards humanity.

[Nuff Said 6,058]

That’s what you take from the article? Hardly earth shattering. I was much more intrigued in JHT saying “we know we have to do something in the window that opens up soon.” We have to? Either that implies there’s a current gap that we cannot muddle through with, or there will be because of something that will happen in the window like Sainz or Gunn going. But it also implies money is there to do it with.
 

Or it could just be because English isn’t Thorup’s first language I suppose. 🤷‍♂️

[Big Vince 432]

2 hours ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

A- Every club outside the top three or so Prem clubs is a selling club.

B- Selling our two oldest and arguably past it players inst a bad thing.

Some are more selling clubs than others and Norwich City are without a shadow of doubt one of them.

[wcorkcanary 4,841]

20 minutes ago, Nuff Said said:

That’s what you take from the article? Hardly earth shattering. I was much more intrigued in JHT saying “we know we have to do something in the window that opens up soon.” We have to? Either that implies there’s a current gap that we cannot muddle through with, or there will be because of something that will happen in the window like Sainz or Gunn going. But it also implies money is there to do it with.
 

Or it could just be because English isn’t Thorup’s first language I suppose. 🤷‍♂️

I'd be more shocked if he'd  said " Nah, no improvements needed, we're  good  , no ins , no outs, we go on as we are. ' 

 

[wcorkcanary 4,841]

2 minutes ago, Big Vince said:

Some are more selling clubs than others and Norwich City are without a shadow of doubt one of them.

OK,  so how exactly  do you quantify this ? 

This should be entertaining,  for a very short time. 

[essex canary 632]

57 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said:

Two attempts at humour this morning from you  Kev, the Long one , vaguely humorous,  but a bit Dad jokeish. The latest ' Welsh ' one... you'd  need some context and relevance there to make it funny. A bit like your campaign, though that is funny without context or relevance.  Hope this helps you stumble back towards humanity.

Lisa Nandy says that there are young people living round the corner from her local Hospital who have no hope of working there and that needs to be resolved. The same applies to Football Clubs. How about the owners of same?

Robert Peston says the problem of British productivity has existed since 1966, we can't hope to win another World Cup without solving it and it has got radically worse in the last 15 years. Not a problem the Spanish have. 

 

[Big Vince 432]

2 hours ago, Up and Away said:

Not sure anything has changed really.

Now the parachute payments have ended, the club are shopping in LIDL and Aldi rather than Sainsbury's. Young prospects and experienced journeymen, provided they are cheap. Look to turn a profit on the youngsters. One or two academy players into the first team squad each season will help too.

The wage bill is still far higher than can be sustained with existing revenue, unless offset by significant player sales. No surprise to see those on big money depart. Gunn will not be ready to take a big pay cut, so that will likely end with him leaving. 

J Sainsbury are not what they used to be and have gone really down-market. Have you seen their carrots in Pound Lane?

[Big Vince 432]

5 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said:

OK,  so how exactly  do you quantify this ? 

This should be entertaining,  for a very short time. 

Very easy. You start with Kevin Reeves and end with Abu Kamara and count up all the million pound plus transfers in between.

[shefcanary 3,096]

Like others on here, why this is an investor issue bemuses me - its bloody obvious Barnes and Hanley no longer fit the model, so it is firmly an issue for Knapper.

Re. Barnes and Hanley, only their current salaries are the reason why they remain, Webber lumbered us there - no other club that could accommodate them would be able to afford them. I'd have subsidised their salaries to get them out the door and focus on tomorrow's player at the beginning of the season, but appreciate both were injured over the summer thwarting that.

Re. Gunn, wages certainly are the issue. Despite Webber's pronouncement that there were relegation clauses in the squad's contracts, I suspect strongly Gunn is still on an EPL salary (like Barnes and Hanley). This is why no real discussions have been made, the club recognise this so are waiting for his agent to open talks.

If I were Knapper I would roll the dice, allow Gunn and his team to start the process of looking for another club. Why? I'm not convinced he will find a better "role" than the one he has at Norwich, the demand is not there at the salary he wants (i.e EPL / La Liga / Bundesliga level). If he does find a role he likes, so be it, we have Reyes now looking likely to be his replacement. If he doesn't find one and we don't look likely to be an EPL side then he has to accept the new financial reality and accept EFL level salary. On the other hand, if we are looking set for promotion, would Gunn be good enough in the EPL anyway - plenty on here suggest otherwise so I assume a few in the club think similar?

So, rather than being the club dithering, I'd suggest it is Gunn who should be opening talks. 

9 minutes ago, Big Vince said:

Very easy. You start with Kevin Reeves and end with Abu Kamara and count up all the million pound plus transfers in between.

Don't forget Davie Ross back in 1907! 😉 

Davie Ross (8 January 1883 – 2 January 1947) was an English footballer and a member of the Norwich City Hall of Fame.

Ross made 71 appearances for Norwich as an inside-left between 1905 and 1907, scoring 49 times.^[1] (See List of Norwich City F.C. club records)

"There was outcry when City sold [their] star forward... to Manchester City in February 1907 for a Southern League record fee of £650, plus a guaranteed £250 from a friendly - a sign of things to come for a club who have so often sold their star goalscorers".^[1]

Edited December 6, 2024 by shefcanary

[NWC 335]

I would be very worried if we sold Gunn and relied on Long for the "Long" term.

I don't really care what he's like in training, and how much of a "good egg" he is, he is just a really poor performing goalkeeper.