Promotion a must this season.

[Ulfotto 837]

Can’t help thinking that this season represents one of club best chances to get back to the premier league. Lots of the talk of  it’s a transition season blah blah. I appreciate the messaging and the sentiment with JHT needing time. The main reason I say it’s a must this season is the goals and assists numbers.

Sargent, Sainz and Doyle are three players who more than likely wouldn’t be here next season unless we are promoted . So far they have contributed 19 goals this season and 12 assists. I know the recruitment team can pull rabbits out of hats but I just don’t see how we replace those numbers in one transfer window.  Throw in the likely departure of Gunn. It’s more than likely if we don’t go up this season next season is more a rebuilding season than this one.

I am not sure about anyone else but no team so far has looked that impressive against us. If have some money to spend time to shell out a bit in January as it’s probably now or not for at least a couple of years.

[Satriales 1,052]

We aren't winning enough games to get promoted. Appreciate that we've had injuries, and going on a good run from xmas onwards can change everything, but just can't see it at the momment if I'm honest.

[Helsinki canary 312]

I think it will take one more season of building to have a realistic chance 

[Pyro Pete 2,395]

Right now, our best hope is to still be within reaching distance of the top six with a month to go, and hope we have a close to fully fit squad for the play-offs.

The injury crisis has demonstrated we simply don't have the strength in depth to be competitive for automatic promotion. And without our best players, we will flop in the play-offs yet again.

[ricardo 8,125]

Things will need to improve radically to have any chance of promotion. We concede too many goals to be realistic contenders. However as the future is essentially unknowable we can always live in hope.

 

[Mr Tea 141]

For me no, I want Hoff and co to build a better team in depth .

sure Sainz will be sold off but another season building like this would be a better bet.

 

[Ulfotto 837]

27 minutes ago, Helsinki canary said:

I think it will take one more season of building to have a realistic chance 

But how to do that when Sainz, Sargent, Doyle and potentially Gunn are all going to leave?

[Google Bot 4,003]

Due to the investment going into mid-lower pre league teams and championship teams it's going to get harder each season, look at Sheff United who got a points deduction and already neck-to-neck with Leeds who should be walking away with it really.

I look at the top six and think it looks hard to win via playoffs, we're in and around the quality of all those teams but nothing is a given as so many teams are capable of taking points from each other.

I'm of course bias, but on our day with all fit i'd have us as top three without doubt. It all depends on what bumps in the road we face.  If we had a fit squad we'd be right up there.

I have no doubt that Thorup and Knapper are gunning for promotion this season.  They know it will be a whole lot harder next season.

Edited November 28, 2024 by Google Bot

[Up and Away 121]

26 minutes ago, Mr Tea said:

For me no, I want Hoff and co to build a better team in depth .

sure Sainz will be sold off but another season building like this would be a better bet.

 

It is virtually impossible to build a team in the Champ who can survive in the Prem. It is another form of football. If you have two or three players who can be regular starters in the Prem, then you are doing really well. You will need 12-15 new players, where proven PL players cost you £25m+ each. The £100m TV money gets you the best players from the Championship and a few calculated risks. 

An extra season in the Champ, without a parachute payment,  does not really help.

[Gordon Bennett 948]

37 minutes ago, Mr Tea said:

For me no, I want Hoff and co to build a better team in depth .

sure Sainz will be sold off but another season building like this would be a better bet.

Yep I want the squad to grow organically for a bit longer personally. It's going to take a few more windows to get the squad how JHT wants it and ideally you want most of the match day squad upon promotion to be players who have got you there with a few additions. If we went up this year we would need lots of signings to have a chance of survival IMO.

[cambridgeshire canary 7,940]

This is a rebuild season, not a promotion season.

 

That and the Prem is awful. I want nothing to do with it.

[AJ 1,377]

We don't have a good enough squad for promotion, we've got some best in league players but not a squad to support that. A few injuries and we're screwed 

[Helsinki canary 312]

33 minutes ago, Ulfotto said:

But how to do that when Sainz, Sargent, Doyle and potentially Gunn are all going to leave?

Of those I think only Sainz and Doyle will go, Doyle replaceable but filling Sainz place will be tricky

[Google Bot 4,003]

11 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

That and the Prem is awful. I want nothing to do with it.

Not being funny, but maybe it's easier to have this opinion if you don't go to matches?  For me competing against the big boys in packed stadiums is what it's all about - surely you can appreciate that desire?

All the other **** that goes on in the prem league goes on here too, they're just less scrutinised due to the limited number of eyes on the champs.

I also think people confuse our inability to compete at the highest level with us being robbed week-in week-out and use it as an excuse.  The reason the prem league hasn't been enjoyable for us recently was more due to our inability to hold a squad together and add to it, not lose it.   Thinking specifically of Emi.

The prem season before that was actually really enjoyable but the world got turned on it's head and it seemed to affect our ability to win in the restart.

Edited November 28, 2024 by Google Bot

[Ulfotto 837]

5 minutes ago, Google Bot said:

Not being funny, but maybe it's easier to have this opinion if you don't go to matches?  For me competing against the big boys in packed stadiums is what it's all about - surely you can appreciate that desire?

All the other **** that goes on in the prem league goes on here too, they're just less scrutinised due to the limited number of eyes on the champs.

I also think people confuse our inability to compete at the highest level with us being robbed week-in week-out and use it as an excuse.  The reason the prem league hasn't been enjoyable for us recently was more due to our inability to hold a squad together and add to it, not lose it.   Thinking specifically of Emi.

The prem season before that was actually really enjoyable but the world got turned on it's head and it seemed to affect our ability to win in the restart.

That’s a good shout, people seem to forget that before project restart at Carrow Road we had some great times beating Man City, drawing with Arsenal and taking Chelsea to the limit in a close game. That said The less said about 21/22 season the better.

[S_81 1,139]

2 hours ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

This is a rebuild season, not a promotion season.

 

That and the Prem is awful. I want nothing to do with it.

The Prem is what financially would keep this club competing for longer. Even one season of it. Instead we are likely to gradually keep selling the family silver - and thus far replacing it with copper. You seriously think that we would rebuild better than Sarge and Sainz by staying at this level? I don’t. 

Edited November 28, 2024 by S_81

[Conrad 279]

Promotion or not, as a minimum we need to be in the play offs. Surely one of the attractions to players that we may want to bring in is the possibility that they may ultimately get into the Premiership. With Norwich or otherwise. To be seen as an 'also ran' team, with limited potential and players, will be less attractive and create a circle of demise.

[pete 375]

I'm not sure we want or need to get promoted, promotion means unlikely ambitions quickly followed by the relegation certainty, see last three PL seasons.  Would rather have a team to challenge and entertain in the championship.  OP has unrealistic ambitions for promotion this season.  To be play off contenders contenders we need a stronger, fitter, bigger squad in terms of numbers, proved by recent teams put out in injury crisis.  Unless Mark A wants to squander hundreds of millions with no guarantee of getting a season or two PL seasons.  We need to be happy as a good championship team producing players for sale and being entertained as were are doing.   

[Robert Ketts Yellow Army 39]

10 hours ago, Ulfotto said:

Can’t help thinking that this season represents one of club best chances to get back to the premier league. Lots of the talk of  it’s a transition season blah blah. I appreciate the messaging and the sentiment with JHT needing time. The main reason I say it’s a must this season is the goals and assists numbers.

Sargent, Sainz and Doyle are three players who more than likely wouldn’t be here next season unless we are promoted . So far they have contributed 19 goals this season and 12 assists. I know the recruitment team can pull rabbits out of hats but I just don’t see how we replace those numbers in one transfer window.  Throw in the likely departure of Gunn. It’s more than likely if we don’t go up this season next season is more a rebuilding season than this one.

I am not sure about anyone else but no team so far has looked that impressive against us. If have some money to spend time to shell out a bit in January as it’s probably now or not for at least a couple of years.

I really hope not. Don’t you remember the last X times Norwich got promoted and were beaten virtually every week? The Championship is much more fun as a Norwich supporter. It’s our level. Unless the new owners can find several hundred million extra pounds, it’s a pointless aspiration. Literally. 

 

 

[Ulfotto 837]

11 minutes ago, Robert Ketts Yellow Army said:

I really hope not. Don’t you remember the last X times Norwich got promoted and were beaten virtually every week? The Championship is much more fun as a Norwich supporter. It’s our level. Unless the new owners can find several hundred million extra pounds, it’s a pointless aspiration. Literally. 

 

 

I disagree it’s only fun because we have been promoted to the premier league and have parachute payments and the money promotion brings. Giving us massive advantages over teams like Plymouth etc.. . Next season will not be fun if Sainz, Sargent, Doyle and Gunn leave.

[hogesar 10,965]

There's no such thing as a rebuild season at this level any more, if there ever was.

When you consider how many of our total goals scored come via a Sainz / Sargent / Doyle if you include assists, you start to see how many goals we'd have to replace in the summer.

That doesn't make it impossible but you have to acknowledge very few teams at this level have a Sainz - comfortably the leagues top scorer despite being a winger in a midtable side at present.

It looks pretty unlikely this season but it could look even more unlikely next!

[Robert N. LiM 6,449]

39 minutes ago, hogesar said:

It looks pretty unlikely this season but it could look even more unlikely next!

I think this is the point. Feels like a season where there isn't a team that's going to run away with it. Last year I felt that Leicester, Leeds and Southampton were just a level above us, and even if we snuck into the playoffs we'd face a team that was too good for us, as indeed it proved. Feels like an easier league to get promoted from this season.

That said, I agree with @ricardo that it looks very unlikely: we concede too many goals and it feels like we're in a bit of a rebuild. But I do take @Ulfotto's point (and Hoggy's here) that there's no guarantee the rebuild will be more advanced next season.

Ugh. Modern football is so rubbish. Damn you, Daniel Farke, for drawing me back in!

[essex canary 631]

The only way we are likely to get promoted without Parachute Payments is to get the whole Club performing like a Formula One Pit Stop Team.

[essex canary 631]

The only way we are likely to get promoted without Parachute Payments is to get the whole Club performing like a Formula One Pit Stop Team.

[Capt. Pants 5,160]

Agree with the OP. You can't just book your place in the Premier League when you think the time is right. The longer we stay out of it the harder it will become.

Utter nonsense it has to take so long to rebuild and it won't. Knapper knows that and so does Thorup. If we can get to top 6, then with Sainz we have a real chance in the play-offs lottery.

So if we don't go up this season and lose Sainz, Sargent, Gunn, and Dolan plus those out of contract, are we going to need yet another rebuild season to get over it?

It feels we have been rebuilding ever since we sacked Farke....

[Capt. Pants 5,160]

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[Hairy Canary 774]

4 hours ago, Robert Ketts Yellow Army said:

I really hope not. Don’t you remember the last X times Norwich got promoted and were beaten virtually every week? The Championship is much more fun as a Norwich supporter. It’s our level. Unless the new owners can find several hundred million extra pounds, it’s a pointless aspiration. Literally. 

 

 

If we don't strive to improve and aim for promotion then there is only one direction and that is to drift downwards.

[shefcanary 3,089]

3 hours ago, hogesar said:

There's no such thing as a rebuild season at this level any more, if there ever was.

Hoggy, like most things on here, I agree with you! Okay there is my blind spot of course (!) but actually what you are saying links to this.

With most clubs in the championship losing c.£20m a season, thus having to rely on benefactors or as likely selling the family silver on a regular basis. So effectively most clubs have to face the fact they will lose two or three of their best players every season, so in effect they are always rebuilding - so much so it is mute what is different from a rebuilding season to a "normal" season (answer unless the club is on a downward drift to League 2, there isn't). 

So, we lose Sainz (irrespective of whether we get promoted or not), next year your other favourite play Crnac will no doubt become the next player who will be sought after by other clubs (bear with me, I think the signs are all there, just needs finessing from within). 

It is what it is, but with Hoff and Knapper getting a working partnership together, the conveyor belt of new talent will continue to emerge and keep Attanasio happy.

Whether we get promoted or not, "rebuild" is just a normal way of a Championship team. Until they survive a year or two in the EPL of course .... 🙂 

[Ulfotto 837]

Just to add some maths here,

Sainz Sargent and Doyle are currently responsible for

61% of the goals we have scored 

52% of the assists made.

This number would have been higher without Sargent injury.

If this trend continues and they leave we would be looking at replacing approximately 50 goals and 30 assists next season. Sorry but that is impossible.

The time is now, time to spend some money in January.

 

[Channon’s Windmill 429]

Think back to that long spell pre the Worthington promotion, there are zero guarantees we just rebuild and get promoted to a plan in 2-3 years. We have stopped being a yo-yo club and there’s every chance we stay in this League for a good while without the parachute money. This season Sainz has been our Sara, sell Sainz and the production line is looking bare. Over to you Mr. knapper.