Forum update - Non Football section

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 4,601]

I haven't entered Non-Football for a good two or three years now, and the reason for that is because it was exactly how Connor has described it. Assuming it's still the same, or possibly deteriorated, I can see exactly why this decision has been taken. 

I just hope that the football section will be moderated closely enough moving forwards to ensure that those type of threads and posts don't just get moved here instead. 

[Midlands Yellow 4,682]

Will the Trump, Taliban and Gaza threads definitely be part of the cull? On a positive note LYB, Cambridge and Horsey will have 5 hours more free time on a daily basis to peruse other interests. 

Edited November 7 by Midlands Yellow

[wcorkcanary 4,774]

5 minutes ago, essex canary said:

For a Cricket Club the Members are the shareholders. How about that principle?

It's not Cricket. Thankyou for the reminder that you think a bad investment is cause for respect and being listened to. 

[TIL 1010 5,242]

Never use it so it won't be missed by me one little bit. Far too many threads are a playground for fools.

[wcorkcanary 4,774]

4 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said:

Reminds me of what I said in an earlier thread, some people conflate the notion of "freedom of speech" with "freedom of consequences of such speech".

Yep , with some of someone's accusations getting very close to actionable by the accused parties, he'd be well ADvised to quit while he still has a few bob to live on.

' financial abuse' ...his words, could be very very costly

 

[essex canary 621]

4 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said:

It's not Cricket. Thankyou for the reminder that you think a bad investment is cause for respect and being listened to. 

The great unwashed can be admitted when they have washed.

[wcorkcanary 4,774]

1 minute ago, essex canary said:

The great unwashed can be admitted when they have washed.

Better get your soap out then Kev as you're looking grubbier every day. Thanks for the tap in , as ever you're great on the assists.  If i stole candy from Babies, I'd consider them a greater adversary  than you. 

[king canary 8,736]

Good to see this thread turning into an excellent example of why getting rid of non football won't solve the issues.

[Mr Angry 1,994]

Shame, as there are some non-political threads on there that I enjoy.

[wcorkcanary 4,774]

Just now, Mr Angry said:

Shame, as there are some non-political threads on there that I enjoy.

Yep, Nature  watch, watchya listening to , and the movie thread are pretty  safe non confrontational threads. No politics , no religion , no personal agendas, quite  easy  really.  

[Midlands Yellow 4,682]

6 minutes ago, king canary said:

Good to see this thread turning into an excellent example of why getting rid of non football won't solve the issues.

Who’d have guessed it! 

[PurpleCanary 6,369]

From my observations there has always been significantly more childish behaviour and insults on the Football section, with most - not all - of the posts on the non-football section being  well-behaved. I suspect the unspoken rationale here, based on how some political threads have disappeared over the last few months, is more about controversial topics and opinions rather than a lack of politeness.

[The Real Buh 3,757]

Here’s the question guys, who’s going to “win” the non-football board.

Theres plenty of posters in there that are close to “winning”! If they post just a little bit harder on there they might win!

The thousands of pages on trump, brexit, Boris etc. it’s all been for one reason, winning non-football! Who will be the final winner!

…Maybe I’ll slide in at the last minute and win…😂

[The Raptor 1,568]

3 minutes ago, The Real Buh said:

Here’s the question guys, who’s going to “win” the non-football board.

Theres plenty of posters in there that are close to “winning”! If they post just a little bit harder on there they might win!

The thousands of pages on trump, brexit, Boris etc. it’s all been for one reason, winning non-football! Who will be the final winner!

…Maybe I’ll slide in at the last minute and win…😂

Own goal by Rob Newman surely 

[hogesar 10,733]

5 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said:

From my observations there has always been significantly more childish behaviour and insults on the Football section, with most - not all - of the posts on the non-football section being  well-behaved. I suspect the unspoken rationale here, based on how some political threads have disappeared over the last few months, is more about controversial topics and opinions rather than a lack of politeness.

I don't think that's true when @horsefly spends the majority of his time in the non-football section, to be honest.

[The Raptor 1,568]

Alot of this thread already demonstrates why it's the correct decision to remove non football!

 

[GMF 1,007]

37 minutes ago, ncfcstar said:

Some of you weren't here when PinkUn Pete used to moderate EVERY SINGLE POST before it was published.  We should be thankful they aren't bringing that nonsense back!

I was going to reply, those were the days, but someone would undoubtedly call me a binner! 😉

[king canary 8,736]

48 minutes ago, Google Bot said:

I operate as a moderator on two forums, and it doesn't work, and it's not easy at all.  What you see is a filtered version of what you presume is all good.

What you're not seeing is the crap that has to be dealt with in the background and, like VAR, everytime a 'regular' user who becomes mod makes a decision it affects the threshold which creates further disharmony as people fall outside the line and get silenced.

I think the setup is fine, Connor's a sensible guy and not embroiled personally in the conversations.  I can see why that section is being closed, people need to remember that this reflects on the Pinkun, it's not some independent board for us to come on and act like ****.

I've also been a mod on forums before. I'm aware it isn't easy or perfect but no other forum I've been a part of has had to nuke an entire sub forum which suggests this current method isn't working very well.

[TIL 1010 5,242]

Maybe Norwich Talk could take it on board if it is still active ?

[Midlands Yellow 4,682]

3 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

Maybe Norwich Talk could take it on board if it is still active ?

It’s still going, the problem is it only has one poster. 

[PurpleCanary 6,369]

15 minutes ago, hogesar said:

I don't think that's true when @horsefly spends the majority of his time in the non-football section, to be honest.

If the aim is to make the football section all sweetness and light and a model of polite conversation then there will have to be a strict ban on any discussion of the merits or otherwise of McLean...😍

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 4,601]

34 minutes ago, king canary said:

Good to see this thread turning into an excellent example of why getting rid of non football won't solve the issues.

Or maybe an example of why it was needed in the first place. 

Connor is primarily paid to report on Norwich City, not moderate a forum. Getting rid of Non-Football will reduce his workload regarding the latter.

[king canary 8,736]

1 minute ago, PurpleCanary said:

If the aim is to make the football section all sweetness and light and a model of polite conversation then there will have to be a strict ban on any discussion of the merits or otherwise of McLean...😍

The odds of making the football section all friendly are directly linked to how long Angus Gunn is out for.

[king canary 8,736]

Just now, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

Or maybe an example of why it was needed in the first place. 

Connor is primarily paid to report on Norwich City, not moderate a forum. Getting rid of Non-Football will reduce his workload regarding the latter.

Well if we're mainly concerned about Connor's workload you should probably just shut the whole forum down.

I doubt this is going to reduce the need for moderation here- instead you'll have Connor and co needing to watch like a hawk for any non-football topics popping up in here. 

[TheGunnShow 7,371]

1 minute ago, king canary said:

The odds of making the football section all friendly are directly linked to how long Angus Gunn is out for.

You mean how Long has a Mair? 😉

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 4,601]

6 minutes ago, king canary said:

Well if we're mainly concerned about Connor's workload you should probably just shut the whole forum down.

I doubt this is going to reduce the need for moderation here- instead you'll have Connor and co needing to watch like a hawk for any non-football topics popping up in here. 

I think it will seriously reduce the need. 

Instead of moderating one cesspit and one forum that isn't too bad, it's now just one that isn't too bad, but admittedly may become slightly worse. 

[hogesar 10,733]

6 minutes ago, king canary said:

Well if we're mainly concerned about Connor's workload you should probably just shut the whole forum down.

I doubt this is going to reduce the need for moderation here- instead you'll have Connor and co needing to watch like a hawk for any non-football topics popping up in here. 

Agreed, the problem isn't the forum, it's that Archant / Newsquest or whoever they are now reckon the entire moderation of the forum should be left down to a full-time journalist.

[Google Bot 3,922]

48 minutes ago, king canary said:

I'm aware it isn't easy or perfect but no other forum I've been a part of has had to nuke an entire sub forum which suggests this current method isn't working very well.

I enjoy it here, much more than overly moderated boards where there's very much a clique and need to conform to whatever the greater mindset agree with.  If it was so bad then why aren't other independent forums being used by the majority?

[......and Smith must score. 1,587]

Maybe I’m being a bit dense Connor but will constitute ‘ non football ‘ ?

I would guess you must read TWTD, if only occasionally, and know that they lump everything together on there. Aside from football they have a very wide range of often useful topics like mental health, recommendations for buying things, how to get the widget off the sprocket on Dad’s Ford Escort, etc, etc.

I’ve seen the same sort of thing on other forums but for some reason not on here. I rarely read or contributed to the non-football section as it seemed to be mainly about ‘ yah-boo ‘ politics, wars, religion and health conspiracy theories. I know you need  maverick contributors to keep up interest but as far as I can see the behaviour in the main section is pretty bad at the moment.

With the demise of ‘non-football ‘ is the intention that discussion will obviously be targeted mainly on on Norwich City football matters but avoids, for example, posts mentioning that Keir Starmer is an Arsenal season ticket holder which then morph into a slanging match as to the rights and wrongs of Brexit ?

 

Edited November 7 by ......and Smith must score.

[......and Smith must score. 1,587]

2 hours ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

Feels rather like taking a sledgehammer to a nail but I do understand why.

Think it’s a sledgehammer to a nut CC but I get what you mean 😉