Forum update - Non Football section

[Yellow Fever 4,415]

2 hours ago, T said:

The pinkun non football section has long been a platform for racism, xenophobia. Islamophobia, misogyny and contempt of law. There are a broad range of views acceptable but they are not. I cancelled my subscription to the pinkun as I was not willing to finance an organisation that provided a platform for such views in the same way as many people have come off X. People have other platforms if they want to express such views. They even come with an opportunity for free accommodation. . Long overdue but unfortunately those were not the reasons given for closing the section. They could have made clear that such views would not be tolerated and that would have removed the cause of a lot of the problems but they didn’t.

I have to defend the Pink'un here. It's clearly NOT a" platform for racism, xenophobia. Islamophobia, misogyny and contempt of law". It actions have been to actively stop such posts (unlike it seems an other platform as you note where people and companies are leaving in drones).

The complaint is that it's thrown the baby out with the bathwater.

Edited November 16, 2024 by Yellow Fever

[T 191]

2 hours ago, Yellow Fever said:

I have to defend the Pink'un here. It's clearly NOT a" platform for racism, xenophobia. Islamophobia, misogyny and contempt of law". It actions have been to actively stop such posts (unlike it seems an other platform as you note where people and companies are leaving in drones).

The complaint is that it's thrown the baby out with the bathwater.

Eventually yes but the reasons given were because of abuse not the regular racism, xenophobia Islamophobia and misogyny. There were regular threads with these views. The threads were indeed often deleted but the posters remained and were allowed to continue to spread and incite hatred. Many are still on here.. Fully understand that the media landscape is very difficult These views are allowed to circulate often because they generate money not because the organisation agrees with these views. However there is an massive overall financial and social cost to society.  

Edited November 16, 2024 by T

[Capt. Pants 5,146]

2 hours ago, T said:

The pinkun non football section has long been a platform for racism, xenophobia. Islamophobia, misogyny and contempt of law. There are a broad range of views acceptable but they are not. I cancelled my subscription to the pinkun as I was not willing to finance an organisation that provided a platform for such views in the same way as many people have come off X. People have other platforms if they want to express such views. They even come with an opportunity for free accommodation. . Long overdue but unfortunately those were not the reasons given for closing the section. They could have made clear that such views would not be tolerated and that would have removed the cause of a lot of the problems but they didn’t.

Well yeah this is the underlying reason I have in my mind. If you're considering committing to a Pinkun subs then you might do a bit of digging into other features that are provided whether they are directly related or not. The danger is views expressed on the forum are perceived to be that of the people that run the forum.

Social media, including forums, only add to the tensions that are starting to run high across the world. The Pinkun needs to be careful where it pitches itself, but that doesn't mean this forum cannot be tidied up.

[Indy 3,492]

1 hour ago, lake district canary said:

Hmm, can't agree there. We are very individual as a club, mainly because of where we are geographically and historically. Frankly, if we were like Stoke, Portsmouth or Blackburn, or most other clubs, I don't think I would have followed us closely like I have over the years. That, plus the very interesting and family style ownership by DS/MJW has been something special....not to everyone's taste, but there is no doubt in my mind that we are quite special as a club. Unique in fact. 

How are Norwich unique? This family club crap is so blinkered it’s laughable! Having been to Oxford games they have the same community ethics and set ups links with fans to the club, I know Leicester too! This idea that Norwich is unique in this is utter crap! It’s a blinkered view by City fans! As for historical and size no difference to the clubs I mentioned!

[essex canary 630]

9 minutes ago, Indy said:

How are Norwich unique? This family club crap is so blinkered it’s laughable! Having been to Oxford games they have the same community ethics and set ups links with fans to the club, I know Leicester too! This idea that Norwich is unique in this is utter crap! It’s a blinkered view by City fans! As for historical and size no difference to the clubs I mentioned!

In the past though we have set out our stall to be unique. The sad thing is though it hasn't been followed through so we are so blinkered it's laughable.

[cambridgeshire canary 7,913]

36 minutes ago, Indy said:

How are Norwich unique? This family club crap is so blinkered it’s laughable! Having been to Oxford games they have the same community ethics and set ups links with fans to the club, I know Leicester too! This idea that Norwich is unique in this is utter crap! It’s a blinkered view by City fans! As for historical and size no difference to the clubs I mentioned!

Strange way to announce yourself to the world as a binner

Edited November 16, 2024 by cambridgeshire canary

[littleyellowbirdie 3,147]

2 hours ago, T said:

Eventually yes but the reasons given were because of abuse not the regular racism, xenophobia Islamophobia and misogyny. There were regular threads with these views. The threads were indeed often deleted but the posters remained and were allowed to continue to spread and incite hatred. Many are still on here.. Fully understand that the media landscape is very difficult These views are allowed to circulate often because they generate money not because the organisation agrees with these views. However there is an massive overall financial and social cost to society.  

Very brave of you to venture out of your safe space to say all this.

[T 191]

3 hours ago, Capt. Pants said:

Well yeah this is the underlying reason I have in my mind. If you're considering committing to a Pinkun subs then you might do a bit of digging into other features that are provided whether they are directly related or not. The danger is views expressed on the forum are perceived to be that of the people that run the forum.

Social media, including forums, only add to the tensions that are starting to run high across the world. The Pinkun needs to be careful where it pitches itself, but that doesn't mean this forum cannot be tidied up.

Completely agree with you. I’ve never seen or heard anything remotely offensive from the pinkun team.The media landscape is very difficult. Unfortunately human nature being what is is hate generates more clicks and more money. Easy to be moralistic when it is not your living. The generally recognised major issues are a ageing population, climate change and division. ( I would add AI). They are the fundamental realities whether people seek to deny them (which is part of the problem) or not. The world is round. We are connected. Social media contributes to division. It’s classic externalities. What is good for organisations is a huge cost for society. My view is that you should seek to reduce those massive financial and social costs to society even if your contribution is minuscule. Missing out on NCFC content is a minor price I’m willing to pay to slightly redress the balance. It has cost X a lot but when you make billions from the rest of your organisation as a result of spreading social division it’s a price you can afford to pay. Much tougher for the pinkun but at least a step in the right direction although I think they had to post the recent unrest as they were exposed. 

Edited November 16, 2024 by T

[lake district canary 4,875]

3 hours ago, Indy said:

How are Norwich unique? This family club crap is so blinkered it’s laughable! Having been to Oxford games they have the same community ethics and set ups links with fans to the club, I know Leicester too! This idea that Norwich is unique in this is utter crap! It’s a blinkered view by City fans! As for historical and size no difference to the clubs I mentioned!

If you don't think Norwich City is unique, then you don't understand the nature of what it is to be a Norwich supporter. You presumably go along and don't really feel affiliated to the club in any great way - it is just another football club to you, something to go and watch if you feel like it, but could just as easily go and watch Luton, Peterborough or any other club. 

The club is unique for its geographical position, away from big City or historically industrialised towns, dockyard cities, towns or London or near London, all of which has given it a more parochial nature over the years. 

There is also the success we've had too. There are other clubs that yo yo or who have been in the top flight too, but most that do are from areas that are so different to Norfolk, its like chalk and cheese. 

NCFC is a product of its history, geographical position, resources, ownership (there are few clubs who have or have had owners like Delia!) and it's fans - we have some of the best, if not the best, away following relative to the size of club we are, in the whole of the football league. 

Unique? Yes we are and I'm sorry you can't see it. 

 

 

[dylanisabaddog 6,188]

8 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

If you don't think Norwich City is unique, then you don't understand the nature of what it is to be a Norwich supporter. You presumably go along and don't really feel affiliated to the club in any great way - it is just another football club to you, something to go and watch if you feel like it, but could just as easily go and watch Luton, Peterborough or any other club. 

The club is unique for its geographical position, away from big City or historically industrialised towns, dockyard cities, towns or London or near London, all of which has given it a more parochial nature over the years. 

There is also the success we've had too. There are other clubs that yo yo or who have been in the top flight too, but most that do are from areas that are so different to Norfolk, its like chalk and cheese. 

NCFC is a product of its history, geographical position, resources, ownership (there are few clubs who have or have had owners like Delia!) and it's fans - we have some of the best, if not the best, away following relative to the size of club we are, in the whole of the football league. 

Unique? Yes we are and I'm sorry you can't see it. 

 

 

I agree with nearly all of that but I don't think we're unique. I think I've been to around 70 different grounds to watch Norwich City. Most are much of a muchness but Charlton, Palace, WBA and Plymouth spring to mind as clubs that, like us, are a bit different. I won't accept comparisons with Stoke and Portsmouth. Dreadful places. 

[Indy 3,492]

2 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said:

I agree with nearly all of that but I don't think we're unique. I think I've been to around 70 different grounds to watch Norwich City. Most are much of a muchness but Charlton, Palace, WBA and Plymouth spring to mind as clubs that, like us, are a bit different. I won't accept comparisons with Stoke and Portsmouth. Dreadful places. 

Who’s talking about the places, the clubs we are comparing! It load old sentiment drivel from Lakey, I’ve probably been to more games than Lakey as I had a season ticket for over 20 years! 
Comparison can be made and are, Blackburn have a far richer history but at this time the same class as Norwich a bobbing championship club.

[dylanisabaddog 6,188]

15 minutes ago, Indy said:

Who’s talking about the places, the clubs we are comparing! It load old sentiment drivel from Lakey, I’ve probably been to more games than Lakey as I had a season ticket for over 20 years! 
Comparison can be made and are, Blackburn have a far richer history but at this time the same class as Norwich a bobbing championship club.

I've just about managed to translate your opinion into English but I'm still struggling a bit. Lakey is talking about Norwich City's role in the local community. You're talking about winning things but Lakey is talking about something completely different that you will probably never understand. 

[essex canary 630]

31 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said:

I agree with nearly all of that but I don't think we're unique. I think I've been to around 70 different grounds to watch Norwich City. Most are much of a muchness but Charlton, Palace, WBA and Plymouth spring to mind as clubs that, like us, are a bit different. I won't accept comparisons with Stoke and Portsmouth. Dreadful places. 

To be fair Delia seemed to disagree with you on Portsmouth at last years AGM. Perhaps still in love with Andy Cullen. That is at least understandable.

[Indy 3,492]

4 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said:

I've just about managed to translate your opinion into English but I'm still struggling a bit. Lakey is talking about Norwich City's role in the local community. You're talking about winning things but Lakey is talking about something completely different that you will probably never understand. 

And this what I mean, just because as my original post said I’ve experienced this so call unique connection City fans go on about……at Oxford over the years and pretty much every club supporters will tell you the same doesn’t make it any more special! It’s common to most clubs, their towns and cities! It makes me laugh when some posters believe there’s a more special connection here! There isn’t!

[lake district canary 4,875]

14 minutes ago, Indy said:

Who’s talking about the places, the clubs we are comparing! It load old sentiment drivel from Lakey, I’ve probably been to more games than Lakey as I had a season ticket for over 20 years! 
Comparison can be made and are, Blackburn have a far richer history but at this time the same class as Norwich a bobbing championship club.

Looks like it was wasted on you.....and I can guarantee I've been to more games than your 20 years as a season ticket holder, unless you go to away games as well. I used to go to home matches every week from 1970-74, then averaged 6-8 home games a season, and a similar number of away games over the following 45 years, up until the lockdowns, since when I've not got back in the habit of travelling so much.

You cannot - imo - separate the club from the place. The club is a product of the people of Norfolk and their unique character who have supported it since 1907 and the local beneficiaries who poured money into it to keep it going over the years. You talk as if it is just a football club......it's like someone I know locally who when talking about a tree that he wants gone from our sports club here - he says "it's just a tree"....but the majority see that it is unique to the club, part of a beautiful landscape and has value way beyond being "just a tree".  Is NCFC "just a tree" to you, I wonder? 

 

[Indy 3,492]

7 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

Looks like it was wasted on you.....and I can guarantee I've been to more games than your 20 years as a season ticket holder, unless you go to away games as well. I used to go to home matches every week from 1970-74, then averaged 6-8 home games a season, and a similar number of away games over the following 45 years, up until the lockdowns, since when I've not got back in the habit of travelling so much.

You cannot - imo - separate the club from the place. The club is a product of the people of Norfolk and their unique character who have supported it since 1907 and the local beneficiaries who poured money into it to keep it going over the years. You talk as if it is just a football club......it's like someone I know locally who when talking about a tree that he wants gone from our sports club here - he says "it's just a tree"....but the majority see that it is unique to the club, part of a beautiful landscape and has value way beyond being "just a tree".  Is NCFC "just a tree" to you, I wonder? 

 

Really! The ground was half empty prior to 2002! We used to get averages or 13k for home games! Where were all these special people then Lakey?

Yes for your info I have had away season tickets and been to over 60 odd away games over the years.

I got pissed off with this when the costs were not worth the so called connection.

But Norwich connection to its community and support no different to any other, there’s nothing unique about that!! Geography is the only thing and the same for all clubs!

Edited November 16, 2024 by Indy

[How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,333]

6 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

Looks like it was wasted on you.....and I can guarantee I've been to more games than your 20 years as a season ticket holder, unless you go to away games as well. I used to go to home matches every week from 1970-74, then averaged 6-8 home games a season, and a similar number of away games over the following 45 years, up until the lockdowns, since when I've not got back in the habit of travelling so much.

You cannot - imo - separate the club from the place. The club is a product of the people of Norfolk and their unique character who have supported it since 1907 and the local beneficiaries who poured money into it to keep it going over the years. You talk as if it is just a football club......it's like someone I know locally who when talking about a tree that he wants gone from our sports club here - he says "it's just a tree"....but the majority see that it is unique to the club, part of a beautiful landscape and has value way beyond being "just a tree".  Is NCFC "just a tree" to you, I wonder? 

 

1902 😉

[essex canary 630]

Oh well. My Norwich match count is 1,619 and I am dismissed as a non-fan by some. There is no counting for logic.

[Indy 3,492]

5 minutes ago, essex canary said:

Oh well. My Norwich match count is 1,619 and I am dismissed as a non-fan by some. There is no counting for logic.

If you don’t agree with a point and are critical of something all clubs have fans that get annoyed and cast crap your way! Nothin unique again about this forum or club! 
 

[essex canary 630]

6 minutes ago, Indy said:

If you don’t agree with a point and are critical of something all clubs have fans that get annoyed and cast crap your way! Nothin unique again about this forum or club! 
 

Certainly nothing special about the standards of behaviour as my encounter with Tom Smith and another long standing fan who waded in on my behalf on Wednesday night perfectly demonstrated.

[PurpleCanary 6,459]

5 hours ago, Yellow Fever said:

I have to defend the Pink'un here. It's clearly NOT a" platform for racism, xenophobia. Islamophobia, misogyny and contempt of law". It actions have been to actively stop such posts (unlike it seems an other platform as you note where people and companies are leaving in drones).

The complaint is that it's thrown the baby out with the bathwater.

There may have been an element of that in the non-football section several years ago, but certainly it was not overflowing with such unpleasantnesses. And in recent times it has in been general well-behaved. I stick to my assertion that if anything there has been more nastiness on the main site. 

[......and Smith must score. 1,637]

1 hour ago, essex canary said:

Oh well. My Norwich match count is 1,619 and I am dismissed as a non-fan by some. There is no counting for logic.

For someone who says they’ve been to over a thousand matches only an accountant would know it’s exactly 1619 😀

[......and Smith must score. 1,637]

10 hours ago, T said:

The pinkun non football section has long been a platform for racism, xenophobia. Islamophobia, misogyny and contempt of law. There are a broad range of views acceptable but they are not. I cancelled my subscription to the pinkun as I was not willing to finance an organisation that provided a platform for such views in the same way as many people have come off X. People have other platforms if they want to express such views. They even come with an opportunity for free accommodation. . Long overdue but unfortunately those were not the reasons given for closing the section. They could have made clear that such views would not be tolerated and that would have removed the cause of a lot of the problems but they didn’t.

Blimey T…….haven’t seen you on here for four years.

Are things so good in continental Europe that you’d forgotten all about dear ol’ Blighty ? 😉

[GodlyOtsemobor 2,832]

On 15/11/2024 at 18:35, Indy said:

Spoil it for you! Dolphins win!😂😂

Not if finkle is kicking they don't. 

[GodlyOtsemobor 2,832]

5 hours ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

1902 😉

17th of June 😉

[CANARYKING 715]

On 16/11/2024 at 14:48, essex canary said:

Certainly nothing special about the standards of behaviour as my encounter with Tom Smith and another long standing fan who waded in on my behalf on Wednesday night perfectly demonstrated.

Yet another thread about to be hijacked by Essex 

[TIL 1010 5,300]

20 minutes ago, CANARYKING said:

Yet another thread about to be hijacked by Essex 

There are no depths to which he cannot sink as witnessed on the Geoffrey Watling thread.

[How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,333]

20 hours ago, GodlyOtsemobor said:

17th of June 😉

A popular day for a birthday 🇮🇸

[Aggy 944]

2 hours ago, CANARYKING said:

Yet another thread about to be hijacked by Essex 

 

1 hour ago, TIL 1010 said:

There are no depths to which he cannot sink as witnessed on the Geoffrey Watling thread.

Presumably more examples of “child like squabbles” that used to exist only on the non-football section.

[essex canary 630]

1 hour ago, Aggy said:

 

Presumably more examples of “child like squabbles” that used to exist only on the non-football section.

The child development cycle in reverse.