Forum update - Non Football section

[SouthwellC 240]

Just now, FenwayFrank said:

@SouthwellC is there any chance that we could just have a slimmed down non football section? Music, movie, travel threads etc as you've said and they would be out of the way of posters not interested.

Yes. This is a possible solution. Got a few options if this doesn't pan out in the way we hope. 

[Google Bot 3,995]

I think we need a Botticelli section.

[ricardo 8,109]

Will the next Arch Bishop of Canterbury be a woman?

To be fair, they do have to wear a frock and a big hat.

[Greavsy 2,661]

33 minutes ago, SouthwellC said:

Hi guys. Catching up on here - happy to provide a bit of clarity. Essentially, I'm happy for the odd non-football forum on here to appear, but when the balance goes and it dominates the football board, then we'll make a decision to cut it. I have allowed the movie, music ones etc because they were some of the few good-mannered threads on the Non Football section. But I don't want six out of the top ten to be dominated by non-football topics, and I don't think the majority of users do either. I don't have a set boundary - but it'll depend on the balance on the page. That isn't helped when people try to be clever by creating threads that sit outside of the boundaries. But maybe don't create five threads that aren't football related all at once. Maybe stagger them a bit. 

As I said, this is a bit of an experiment. We'll see how it goes over a longer period, but it relies on grown adults behaving themselves and using the board in the right manner. If necessary, then we'll go to purely football and set very hard boundaries but in an ideal world, multi-topics can be tolerated and balanced without conflict. That's the dream.

Thanks for the update Connor - much appreciated and very sensible approach.  

Lets work together for the benefit of us all and let the board thrive. 

OTBC

[Greavsy 2,661]

31 minutes ago, FenwayFrank said:

@SouthwellC is there any chance that we could just have a slimmed down non football section? Music, movie, travel threads etc as you've said and they would be out of the way of posters not interested.

Well suggested FF. Id second this suggestion. Would make the board work for all! 

30 minutes ago, SouthwellC said:

Yes. This is a possible solution. Got a few options if this doesn't pan out in the way we hope. 

Fingers crossed Connor! 

[Duncan Edwards 2,428]

3 minutes ago, Greavsy said:

Thanks for the update Connor - much appreciated and very sensible approach.  

Lets work together for the benefit of us all and let the board thrive. 

OTBC

Well said. Good post. 👏 

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 4,736]

11 minutes ago, Greavsy said:

Thanks for the update Connor - much appreciated and very sensible approach.  

Lets work together for the benefit of us all and let the board thrive. 

OTBC

Sounds a little bit communist, if you ask me.

[Greavsy 2,661]

1 minute ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

Sounds a little bit communist, if you ask me.

I didnt! 😉 

[Feedthewolf 5,931]

1 hour ago, SouthwellC said:

Hi guys. Catching up on here - happy to provide a bit of clarity. Essentially, I'm happy for the odd non-football forum on here to appear, but when the balance goes and it dominates the football board, then we'll make a decision to cut it. I have allowed the movie, music ones etc because they were some of the few good-mannered threads on the Non Football section. But I don't want six out of the top ten to be dominated by non-football topics, and I don't think the majority of users do either. I don't have a set boundary - but it'll depend on the balance on the page. That isn't helped when people try to be clever by creating threads that sit outside of the boundaries. But maybe don't create five threads that aren't football related all at once. Maybe stagger them a bit. 

As I said, this is a bit of an experiment. We'll see how it goes over a longer period, but it relies on grown adults behaving themselves and using the board in the right manner. If necessary, then we'll go to purely football and set very hard boundaries but in an ideal world, multi-topics can be tolerated and balanced without conflict. That's the dream.

I only created one, about NFL, and you pulled it! Guessing you're not a fan, then...

No hard feelings, keep up the good work 😉

 

[Capt. Pants 5,152]

I'd rather the forum is divided in 2; Football Chat and Non-Football. The Non-Football section could be sub divided for example into Club Finance, Travel, Entertainment & Leisure, Other Sports...

We are already seeing interesting football topics disappear off the front page; replaced by some random non-football stuff which seem to have been created just for the sake of it.

[Nuff Said 6,051]

2 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

I'd rather the forum is divided in 2; Football Chat and Non-Football. The Non-Football section could be sub divided for example into Club Finance, Travel, Entertainment & Leisure, Other Sports...

We are already seeing interesting football topics disappear off the front page; replaced by some random non-football stuff which seem to have been created just for the sake of it.

Works for me, although I’d argue, or rather politely suggest, that club finance *is* football related.

[Mr Angry 2,094]

5 hours ago, Mr Angry said:

Don’t think you should ‘plugging’ that site on here 🤣

Now this is a coincidence-looking for a recipe and this advert appeared on the website I was looking at 🤣🤣🤣

 

[king canary 8,944]

2 hours ago, SouthwellC said:

Hi guys. Catching up on here - happy to provide a bit of clarity. Essentially, I'm happy for the odd non-football forum on here to appear, but when the balance goes and it dominates the football board, then we'll make a decision to cut it. I have allowed the movie, music ones etc because they were some of the few good-mannered threads on the Non Football section. But I don't want six out of the top ten to be dominated by non-football topics, and I don't think the majority of users do either. I don't have a set boundary - but it'll depend on the balance on the page. That isn't helped when people try to be clever by creating threads that sit outside of the boundaries. But maybe don't create five threads that aren't football related all at once. Maybe stagger them a bit. 

As I said, this is a bit of an experiment. We'll see how it goes over a longer period, but it relies on grown adults behaving themselves and using the board in the right manner. If necessary, then we'll go to purely football and set very hard boundaries but in an ideal world, multi-topics can be tolerated and balanced without conflict. That's the dream.

Kind of funny how poorly thought out this all is.

[Mr Angry 2,094]

2 hours ago, SouthwellC said:

Hi guys. Catching up on here - happy to provide a bit of clarity. Essentially, I'm happy for the odd non-football forum on here to appear, but when the balance goes and it dominates the football board, then we'll make a decision to cut it. I have allowed the movie, music ones etc because they were some of the few good-mannered threads on the Non Football section. But I don't want six out of the top ten to be dominated by non-football topics, and I don't think the majority of users do either. I don't have a set boundary - but it'll depend on the balance on the page. That isn't helped when people try to be clever by creating threads that sit outside of the boundaries. But maybe don't create five threads that aren't football related all at once. Maybe stagger them a bit. 

As I said, this is a bit of an experiment. We'll see how it goes over a longer period, but it relies on grown adults behaving themselves and using the board in the right manner. If necessary, then we'll go to purely football and set very hard boundaries but in an ideal world, multi-topics can be tolerated and balanced without conflict. That's the dream.

Yeah, there was a bit of silliness yesterday, myself included, possibly just frustration that totally innocuous threads had been culled.

Message received and understood.

[Indy 3,499]

2 hours ago, SouthwellC said:

Yes. This is a possible solution. Got a few options if this doesn't pan out in the way we hope. 

Indeed I could suggest any poster going into religion or politics which has potential to starts daft responses gets a month ban! That’ll soon put a stop to all the rubbish going on!

[How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,333]

My two króna...

I live outside of the UK and enjoy using this forum as a way of keeping contact with Norwich/Norfolk. I  was a season ticket holder back in the 80's, but for a variety of reasons I haven't been to many games since 1991. I don't regard myself as a fan anymore, but I still follow the fortunes of NCFC. Most of the posters on here seem like decent people and I'd rather discuss a variety of topics with people I have a connection with, rather than post on 15 different specialist forums 

I appreciate that some here are only interested in football/NCFC discussion, so I would rather we had some sort of non football section, so that those not interested can avoid topics they don't want to read. If politics/current affairs causes too many problems then delete those threads, however I understand that the operators of this site have better things to do than monitor the forum for contentious posts 

I hope we can find a way forward for as many people as possible to enjoy this forum 

 

[essex canary 631]

3 hours ago, SouthwellC said:

Yes. This is a possible solution. Got a few options if this doesn't pan out in the way we hope. 

Hope you liked my football related Christmas present suggestions that were deleted.

[Nexus_Canary 1,254]

Can you just give them a non politics & religion forum?
So they can have the music / food / threads.

 

Fed up with the influx of non football / lurkers posting chaff already and its been 24 hrs.
This should be NCFC related. 

Edited November 12, 2024 by Nexus_Canary

[Pockthorpe 636]

What a crying shame ! I’m going to particularly miss the Nature Watch thread. An oasis of civility and pleasure in sharing knowledge. When it’s disappearing all around us. Most other clubs have loads more sections to their forums than us. 
Those who just want football posts will  , understandably,  be fed up having to wade through other stuff. 

So the bad guys stop play. Who were nothing more than a ridiculous laughing stock to normal folks. 

Badly done . 

[PurpleCanary 6,463]

On 07/11/2024 at 12:19, PurpleCanary said:

From my observations there has always been significantly more childish behaviour and insults on the Football section, with most - not all - of the posts on the non-football section being  well-behaved. I suspect the unspoken rationale here, based on how some political threads have disappeared over the last few months, is more about controversial topics and opinions rather than a lack of politeness.

I am afraid I don't at all buy the notion now being put forward that there were only a few good-mannered threads on the non-football section. Not at all. Although some of the political ones turned nasty most were totally unexceptional and unthreatening.

As above, although I can't put figures on it, I am pretty sure the percentage of abusive threads on the football section is much higher than was the case on the other side.

It might be embarrassing, but a U-turn with the non-football section being resuscitated, albeit with a ban on politics (even if everything, at bottom, is political) would seem the sensible solution.

[ricardo 8,109]

5 hours ago, SouthwellC said:

 but in an ideal world, multi-topics can be tolerated and balanced without conflict. That's the dream.

No, that's actually a nightmare.

Think about it.

[Capt. Pants 5,152]

1 hour ago, Nexus_Canary said:

Can you just give them a non politics & religion forum?
So they can have the music / food / threads.

 

Fed up with the influx of non football / lurkers posting chaff already and its been 24 hrs.
This should be NCFC related. 

Me too. Now 8 non football threads. More than there used to be when there was actually an off topic forum.

[Yellow Fever 4,415]

1 hour ago, PurpleCanary said:

I am afraid I don't at all buy the notion now being put forward that there were only a few good-mannered threads on the non-football section. Not at all. Although some of the political ones turned nasty most were totally unexceptional and unthreatening.

As above, although I can't put figures on it, I am pretty sure the percentage of abusive threads on the football section is much higher than was the case on the other side.

It might be embarrassing, but a U-turn with the non-football section being resuscitated, albeit with a ban on politics (even if everything, at bottom, is political) would seem the sensible solution.

I don't think you can take the politics out of football (or anything else). Just thinking back we had the BLM taking the knee, LGBT (think Fashanu), football hooliganism (and you know who), immigration (and rules to import footballers) let alone Linacre stradling both and topical. Almost forgot Labour's football governance Bill.

I honestly.think trying to keep any of these divisive topics off the threads will be like herding cats and frankly diminishes the whole forum. It could become a bland largely ignored closed shop of a few football nerds. 

What is as ever needed is proper moderation in all threads and swift removal of those that abuse the forum. 

That sadly is a cost to run the forum.

Edited November 12, 2024 by Yellow Fever

[canarydan23 4,823]

37 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

What is as ever needed is proper moderation in all threads and swift removal of those that abuse the forum. 

What is needed is an NCFC forum on a decent platform, that is hosted and moderated by NCFC fans as opposed to Newsquest, who are ultimately an insignificant arm of a giant US corporation.

Then we wouldn't have these draconian measures imposed by someone terrified that someone posting "booooo Netanyahu" might somehow come back to bite them in the backside.

[Leedscanary 410]

1 minute ago, canarydan23 said:

What is needed is an NCFC forum on a decent platform, that is hosted and moderated by NCFC fans as opposed to Newsquest, who are ultimately an insignificant arm of a giant US corporation.

Then we wouldn't have these draconian measures imposed by someone terrified that someone posting "booooo Netanyahu" might somehow come back to bite them in the backside.

We already have it, but some can’t get over the fact that Morty is involved 

[Mr Angry 2,094]

1 hour ago, Capt. Pants said:

Me too. Now 8 non football threads. More than there used to be when there was actually an off topic forum.

The solution to this is incredibly simple-I wonder who will think of it first-after me.

Two equally simple solutions actually.

Edited November 12, 2024 by Mr Angry

[lake district canary 4,878]

11 minutes ago, Leedscanary said:

We already have it, but some can’t get over the fact that Morty is involved 

It was supposed to be the answer to the problems of bickering on here, but the moderating there was a bit too draconian. Shows that getting the balance of moderating right is difficult!

[All the Germans 1,246]

Just seen this for the first time and I haven't read much of this thread, but please make it stop. The non football section was perfect as it kept all that rubbish contained somewhere that I could avoid, now we have movies and music etc to wade through. Either restore the status quo and keep it elsewhere or ban it entirely.

[A K Narey 257]

I am struggling to understand the problem that some people are having with the non-football posts. They are mostly well labelled and if you are not interested then don't click on them!

If this forum were to be restricted to solely NCFC threads then it would lose much of its attraction to me. Dare I say that threads debating McLean and Long are becoming slightly boring? 😴

[The Bristol Nest 612]

We have a problem. This site has a history that is not understood by the boy moderating it. He is creating a problem by unnecessarily highlighting something that was lost on the majority but made an issue by the very need to micromanaging it. It happens. The best response is to learn and retreat.