Falling Apart

[Big Vince 430]

Sargent no groin.

Players arguing with each other.

Throwup having a go at Fisher.

Duffer having a go at Sainz.

Doyle too fat and out of condition and no sense of positioning in left back role.

Long no hands. Gifts game. Duffer has another go.

Throwup no Plan B let alone Plan C. 

Delaware Capitalists just gagging to do the next big sale in Sainz.

12th and falling.....

[Ward 3 498]

Just now, Big Vince said:

Sargent no groin.

Players arguing with each other.

Throwup having a go at Fisher.

Duffer having a go at Sainz.

Doyle too fat and out of condition and no sense of positioning in left back role.

Long no hands. Gifts game. Duffer has another go.

Throwup no Plan B let alone Plan C. 

Delaware Capitalists just gagging to do the next big sale in Sainz.

12th and falling.....

Mean while Ipswich bottom 3 and haven't won in how many games? See ya vince

[AJ 1,377]

🎵🎶🌲 And a partridge in a pear tree 🎵🎶🌲

[percy varco 254]

Its all Wilshires fault😉

[Big Vince 430]

2 minutes ago, percy varco said:

Its all Wilshires fault😉

Smoking behind the Colney bike sheds hardly sets the best example.

[Corbs1 183]

Good test for JHT, what the challenge is all about. 

[By Hook or Ian crook 943]

Paper thin squad. That’s not the Hoffs fault. I think it will all be okay in the end even if we have a Farke esq first season where we had to sell Maddison, we will be okay in the long run. We can’t appoint someone like we have and not give them the time they deserve to get a grip of the club. 

[Commonsense 829]

7 hours ago, Big Vince said:

Sargent no groin.

Players arguing with each other.

Throwup having a go at Fisher.

Duffer having a go at Sainz.

Doyle too fat and out of condition and no sense of positioning in left back role.

Long no hands. Gifts game. Duffer has another go.

Throwup no Plan B let alone Plan C. 

Delaware Capitalists just gagging to do the next big sale in Sainz.

12th and falling.....

The trolls are back in town!

[Creedence Clearwater Couto 1,704]

Our summer transfer window will become heavily scrutinised now. 

Slimane, Gordon, Marcondes, all could have been signed early doors, but were last minute additions. Were they B or C targets? 

Not signing a decent back up GK.

£9 million on a player for the future, but making him a first team starter. Perhaps 2 players at £4-5 mill apiece the better bet? I guess signging players for the here and now isn’t as hipster as signing for the future and making money, for a sporting director.

Our best players so far this season have been ones already in the building. 

 

Edited November 6, 2024 by Creedence Clearwater Couto

[Capt. Pants 5,152]

Well it's starting to get a bit fractious on here the last few days that's for sure.

Not convinced we're all behind this so called 'rebuild', or the direction of travel. It didn't take long for the wheels to come off.

I guess we all have our own opinions.

Crikey do we need 3 pts on Saturday.

[Lazza 75]

1 hour ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said:

Our best players so far this season have been ones already in the building. 

Is that a surprise? We did get into the play offs last season, so were only ever going to add to/strengthen the squad/replace those that left, not change the core of the team.

Of course, you can argue about whether that has actually happened but that's a different subject.

[Google Bot 3,995]

3 hours ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said:

£9 million on a player for the future, but making him a first team starter.

This place is such an echo chamber for binary thinking.  His signing was announced on the 22nd Aug, played on the 24th and has remained a starter since, it's quite clear that the intent was to fast-track him to be a part of the 11.

It is possible to be considered good enough to play yet still be talked of as one for the future, it's not at all uncommon.

Edited November 6, 2024 by Google Bot

[Creedence Clearwater Couto 1,704]

27 minutes ago, Google Bot said:

This place is such an echo chamber for binary thinking.  His signing was announced on the 22nd Aug, played on the 24th and has remained a starter since, it's quite clear that the intent was to fast-track him to be a part of the 11.

It is possible to be considered good enough to play yet still be talked of as one for the future, it's not at all uncommon.

But his performances suggest he isn’t, currently. 

[Mason 47 2,024]

26 minutes ago, Google Bot said:

This place is such an echo chamber for binary thinking.  His signing was announced on the 22nd Aug, played on the 24th and has remained a starter since, it's quite clear that the intent was to fast-track him to be a part of the 11.

It is possible to be considered good enough to play yet still be talked of as one for the future, it's not at all uncommon.

He's also being talked about a little as if he's got no hope of any meaningful contributions now.

I'm not sure anymore what the general expectation level is on him. Obviously he's not currently a consistent match-winning player at this level but few Championship sides have a wealthy arsenal of those. Fewer still have a first choice as good as Josh Sargent, which affects who is willing to sit below him in the pecking order. 

I'm not sure we should be expecting our squad to have 3 equally good strikers ready to step in when needed.

[norwich canary 171]

I think it was fairly obvious from an early stage you could tell He is a snake oil sales man 

no better than smith or Wagner 

[Europe_93 51]

4 hours ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said:

Our summer transfer window will become heavily scrutinised now. 

Slimane, Gordon, Marcondes, all could have been signed early doors, but were last minute additions. Were they B or C targets? 

Not signing a decent back up GK.

£9 million on a player for the future, but making him a first team starter. Perhaps 2 players at £4-5 mill apiece the better bet? I guess signging players for the here and now isn’t as hipster as signing for the future and making money, for a sporting director.

Our best players so far this season have been ones already in the building. 

 

Hindsight is wonderful, but the ask pre-window, from most, was young and hungry...

Marcondes was considered in the summer, but we went for younger targets, that was stated by Thorrup.  Gordon came in late for Kamara when he went to Hull.

It was thought that Long was the right level to provide back up i.e. probability of playing vs cost. 

There was a time the money we spent on Sargent didn't look a great investment, Crnac will need a season, but he has potential. 

Our best investment to me has probably been the coach 🙂

[Capt. Pants 5,152]

Sargent spent most of his first season stuck out on the right, or as an unstudy to Pukki. Crnac now has a good 3 mth run at his intended position. I would expect his progress to be faster than Josh's as we adjust our play accordingly.

[Up and Away 120]

4 hours ago, Capt. Pants said:

Well it's starting to get a bit fractious on here the last few days that's for sure.

Not convinced we're all behind this so called 'rebuild', or the direction of travel. It didn't take long for the wheels to come off.

I guess we all have our own opinions.

Crikey do we need 3 pts on Saturday.

The football is trending in the right direction, even if the results are at times disappointing. it will take time for JHT to really embed his approach, probably most of this season. 

Recent weeks have simply highlighted that the squad lacks strength in depth and once you lose one or two of your best players, then the team quickly becomes weaker. 

On transfers, Championship clubs were asking silly money for their best players this summer. Coventry wanted £15-20m for Ben Sheaf, fees that City simply cannot afford. It does mean youth and overseas markets may be where the value lies, but this is also a risk.

FWIW, I think Crnac will turn out to be a very good signing. Like the manager and his way of playing, patience continues to be needed. This season is about getting some of the building blocks in place. 

Edited November 6, 2024 by Up and Away

[pete 375]

What a f'ing idiot the original poster is.

Anyone could have seen the team were completely spent last night.  The fixture scheduke has caught up with the team.  Notwithstanding the injuries to the most influential players and being down to the depths of what is a limited squad.  Sorensen who appartently played well at Cardiff was required again to perform again after the lenghy injury lay off.  Schwartou and Crnac are being asked to put in efforts at an age they should be introduced to the Championship sparingly.  However needs must and a team needs to be put out Saturday and it will be the same players.  Expecting a change in fortunes against Bris C is likely a forlorn hope.

When we played the better teams and even Middlesboro we looked very good and had some good results.  Now the side has been stretched and the divisions lesser lights are getting results against a second string City the knives are out for Thorup.  He has produced a team on a shoestring of young players, who are playing entertaining football, the best for a long time and doesn't deserve the negative vibes.  Until Christmas it is unlikely the fortunes of City will improve player wise, but I expect returning players and January additions to boost squad numbers will see Thorup plans come to fruition.

There will be pain but the long term will see more good football and hopefully those results.  In the Hoff the future is bright we have seen it e.g. Sheff Utd and Leeds is the evidence.

  

[Google Bot 3,995]

1 hour ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said:

But his performances suggest he isn’t, currently. 

He clearly is performing to someone's metric, as he's getting the nod in each game.  Needs noting once more that prior to injuries and suspensions we sat in the top six much earlier than anticipated in a season many wrote off as a rebuild.

He's not the finished article, but that shouldn't really need explaining.

[Conrad 272]

2 hours ago, Google Bot said:

This place is such an echo chamber for binary thinking.  His signing was announced on the 22nd Aug, played on the 24th and has remained a starter since, it's quite clear that the intent was to fast-track him to be a part of the 11.

It is possible to be considered good enough to play yet still be talked of as one for the future, it's not at all uncommon.

The problem is that Crnac is not good enough to play, but the alternatives are probably worse.

[Google Bot 3,995]

45 minutes ago, Conrad said:

The problem is that Crnac is not good enough to play, but the alternatives are probably worse.

I disagree.

My opinion is that he's tall, good technique, looks switched on, plays advanced balls and has a decent shot on him.  It's just a matter of time until he adapts, as has the core ingredients and we've a coach invested in him.

Here's a little reminder of the player we have:

 

[Commonsense 829]

2 hours ago, norwich canary said:

I think it was fairly obvious from an early stage you could tell He is a snake oil sales man 

no better than smith or Wagner 

Not sure who this is about as you give no context, but if you are referring to Hoff, then you are clearly wrong.

On the other hand, despite the protestations of your mates on here, you are clearly a Cnut and no better that Big Vince and the other trolls.

[daz 163]

And even forsyth now is out 5-6 weeks

 

Will be the u18s playing soon for god sake 😂 

[Big Vince 430]

16 hours ago, daz said:

And even forsyth now is out 5-6 weeks

 

Will be the u18s playing soon for god sake 😂 

And to think that modern coaching, physio, sports science, fitness training, recovery were all supposed to reduce or eliminate injuries in the first place. What is all the investment in Colney supposed to be about if we have to field the U18s?

Has anyone noticed only 3 points off the bottom three now? A disastrous run is potentially leading to L1 next season.

Edited November 7, 2024 by Big Vince

[Petriix 3,250]

23 hours ago, Capt. Pants said:

Crikey do we need 3 pts on Saturday.

What we need is a coherent performance where we stop allowing teams to merrily stroll through our midfield and defence. I'd take a 0-0 at this point.

[Commonsense 829]

58 minutes ago, Big Vince said:

And to think that modern coaching, physio, sports science, fitness training, recovery were all supposed to reduce or eliminate injuries in the first place. What is all the investment in Colney supposed to be about if we have to field the U18s?

Has anyone noticed only 3 points off the bottom three now? A disastrous run is potentially leading to L1 next season.

Is that now your only hope of avoiding 17 years?

[Europe_93 51]

20 hours ago, Commonsense said:

Not sure who this is about as you give no context, but if you are referring to Hoff, then you are clearly wrong.

On the other hand, despite the protestations of your mates on here, you are clearly a Cnut and no better that Big Vince and the other trolls.

Good question, I was wondering the same about the Snake Oil Salesman - and would have guessed Hoff too.

Currently:

This time last year 

One game less, 1 point more.... we have lost Sara, Rowe & Idah - a lot of goals.  Wagner did reasonably well when we were fully fit, but when we weren't full strength he struggled.  You could make the same argument against Hoff, but I think the selling of £40m of goals and the youth we have brought in is huge context.

While I wanted Wagner to succeed, I never truly believed he would.  I feel different about Hoff.

[Europe_93 51]

3 hours ago, Petriix said:

What we need is a coherent performance where we stop allowing teams to merrily stroll through our midfield and defence. I'd take a 0-0 at this point.

Look at our managers interview post match, he would as well.

[Kenny Foggo 1,205]

Weirdly in the long term this may help the new management see where they really need to do work.

We clearly saw what was happening on the pitch before Gunn, Mclean, Sargent got injured. 

Need to sort the keeper issue in the January market as Long is clearly not up to it.