Hanley - no coincidence……

[CANARYKING 720]

……. that as soon as he came on the defence collapses. Been a good servant in the past but time to say goodbye

[cambridgeshire canary 7,932]

Meanwhile Scotland seem to think he's still worth keeping as a first choice defender.

[65Vintage 7]

Forson was to blame for the goals not Hanley - not sure how it could be seen any other way! Accept that Hanley is great at the moment  though.

[Ulfotto 832]

12 minutes ago, 65Vintage said:

Forson was to blame for the goals not Hanley - not sure how it could be seen any other way! Accept that Hanley is great at the moment  though.

Agreed Forson drop off in form is really alarming given the investment the club has made in him. Looks an absolute liability whenever he is on the pitch in my opinion.

[nutty nigel 7,963]

5 hours ago, CANARYKING said:

……. that as soon as he came on the defence collapses. Been a good servant in the past but time to say goodbye

If there is anything in this then your problem is with the manager not Hanley.

[Indy 3,499]

3 hours ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

Meanwhile Scotland seem to think he's still worth keeping as a first choice defender.

Hmmmm…..Scotland have only one one game in the last 16 that was Gibraltar!

[Nexus_Canary 1,254]

3 hours ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

Meanwhile Scotland seem to think he's still worth keeping as a first choice defender.

You said it though...

Scotland.

Who's the next option? Dougal McDongal who plays for County Westnorthshire reserves?

 

[pete 375]

Forson a liability in opponents box.  OG at Swansea, errors at Cardiff in limited games.  Maybe if you are going to bring on the 4th CB which seems questionable Hanley needs to be given longer to get to the match rhythm.  Or better not to bring him on at all.

[Kingston Yellow 259]

FFS. For the love of god, our problem isn’t Hanley. It’s our paper thin squad, which dates back years. Give guy a break.

[Capt. Pants 5,152]

If you want the harsh reality and name names then it's Forson who cost us the 3 pts, not Hanley.

[Capt. Pants 5,152]

2 hours ago, pete said:

Forson a liability in opponents box.  OG at Swansea, errors at Cardiff in limited games.  Maybe if you are going to bring on the 4th CB which seems questionable Hanley needs to be given longer to get to the match rhythm.  Or better not to bring him on at all.

He's a liability in our box, not opponents.

[mannings bandy legs 444]

Just interesting to see the reaction of Duffy and Hanley to Cardiffs winner. Duffy looks angry and punches the turf. Hanley simply walks away,no reaction..there never is...thats why fans have lost belief in Hanley.

[rock bus 1,107]

16 minutes ago, mannings bandy legs said:

Just interesting to see the reaction of Duffy and Hanley to Cardiffs winner. Duffy looks angry and punches the turf. Hanley simply walks away,no reaction..there never is...thats why fans have lost belief in Hanley.

I think this is a very good point, as a senior player Hanley lacks authority and is very uninspiring. Previously he 'got away with it' as he was deemed to lead by example. Unfortunately he no longer has the ability to do that.

This all seems unfair given that Hanley was not responsible for the goals BUT I do think bringing him into the team brings an additional element of concern and diminishes the confidence of all around with him. Exemplified by the first thing he did Saturday was failed to deal with a relatively simple ball and lent on (pushed?) the forward with them tumbling to the ground. I don't think it is a coincidence that from that moment onwards the defence seemed far more panicky. 

[king canary 8,944]

I'm not a Hanley fan but this is a bit chicken and egg- both here and against Derby he's being brought on in a formation switch when trying to defend a lead which means we're naturally setting the team up to be more backs to the wall.

Saying that...you'd hope an experienced pro like him coming on would display leadership and be marshalling those around him, however vs Derby he seemed to actively confuse the other defenders.

I'm not sure if this is a him issue or that the players in general aren't comfortable with this mid-game formation and style of play switch.

[Mason 47 2,024]

Ehhh, I don't disagree that his time has passed, but I'm not sure it's specifically just Hanley's issue. 

I think Duffy always struggles when the defence is shuffled mid-game and Hanley looks completely uncomfortable in 3, particularly in either wide position. I spoke enough at the weekend about why I thought such grand changes weren't required or appropriate in situ, so I'll not go on.

I must admit, though, I could only think of Oxford away when he immediately got stuck under a bouncing ball in our box after coming on. He looks like he's overthinking every movement, and is probably best left with a watching brief from here on.

[shefcanary 3,081]

Yes Forson made two mistakes at Cardiff that lead to two goals against. But look very carefully on the highlights video at the positioning of Hanley. For those who still think he can do a job he was hopelessly out of position but that was not because he was manoeuvred out of it by an opponent but because he hadn't the thought process to react quickly, if he'd been half way on his past game he would have got in the way of their efforts.

But as Nutty says, ultimately it is Hoff's mistake for bringing the both of them on, and not for the first time! At Derby he got away with it because we were two goals ahead at the time. We really needed to keep Cardiff away from our half in that last 10 minutes, not allow them to camp outside our 18 yard box. That's two games now where we have given up our previous dominance in a match to try and hold on to a win, Hoff has to learn that you have to keep the intensity going to the end and staff the bench accordingly. Some young attackers at that stage who the opposition know nothing about will usually give them something else to think about. We made it too easy for them to squeeze us and force mistakes.

Or at least next time sub Hills on instead of Hanley, Gordon instead of Forson.

[Canarywary 123]

1 hour ago, mannings bandy legs said:

Just interesting to see the reaction of Duffy and Hanley to Cardiffs winner. Duffy looks angry and punches the turf. Hanley simply walks away,no reaction..there never is...thats why fans have lost belief in Hanley.

I don't think we should be suspicious of any players who don't punch the turf when we concede a goal, that's a bit reductive.

[Google Bot 3,995]

Hanley could quite easily have given a pen when he tried one of his special "I'll fall on you and win a defensive free kick" moves.  He's certainly rusty, wouldn't have him on the field in league matches personally.  Could do with a few cup matches to get him back in the swing and see how he looks.

As a few above, for me it was Forson that cost us the points.  His ball retention is shocking at times which is bizarre as he looked quality when he first played for us.  I could see on his highlights before he signed for us that he's passing was quite unusual, he's got the ability of picking out a world class ball, but a lot of times he seems to hit his passes a little short.  I'm not sure why he does that.

[Capt. Pants 5,152]

43 minutes ago, Google Bot said:

Hanley could quite easily have given a pen when he tried one of his special "I'll fall on you and win a defensive free kick" moves.  He's certainly rusty, wouldn't have him on the field in league matches personally.  Could do with a few cup matches to get him back in the swing and see how he looks.

As a few above, for me it was Forson that cost us the points.  His ball retention is shocking at times which is bizarre as he looked quality when he first played for us.  I could see on his highlights before he signed for us that he's passing was quite unusual, he's got the ability of picking out a world class ball, but a lot of times he seems to hit his passes a little short.  I'm not sure why he does that.

Yes I noticed that. I can only assume that in Austria he got away with it because the opposition was less likely to press a loose or slow ball. We all know that in English football, Championship or Premier League, everything is 100 mph.

[Kenny Foggo 1,205]

Forson is struggling. We need to hope the coaching team helps him get use to our game.

[Midlands Yellow 4,714]

4 hours ago, shefcanary said:

Yes Forson made two mistakes at Cardiff that lead to two goals against. But look very carefully on the highlights video at the positioning of Hanley. For those who still think he can do a job he was hopelessly out of position but that was not because he was manoeuvred out of it by an opponent but because he hadn't the thought process to react quickly, if he'd been half way on his past game he would have got in the way of their efforts.

But as Nutty says, ultimately it is Hoff's mistake for bringing the both of them on, and not for the first time! At Derby he got away with it because we were two goals ahead at the time. We really needed to keep Cardiff away from our half in that last 10 minutes, not allow them to camp outside our 18 yard box. That's two games now where we have given up our previous dominance in a match to try and hold on to a win, Hoff has to learn that you have to keep the intensity going to the end and staff the bench accordingly. Some young attackers at that stage who the opposition know nothing about will usually give them something else to think about. We made it too easy for them to squeeze us and force mistakes.

Or at least next time sub Hills on instead of Hanley, Gordon instead of Forson.

Agreed, we were more dominant against Cardiff than Derby but were architects of our own downfall. Ten minutes of madness cost us and lessons have been hopefully learnt. 

[Bristol Canary 181]

If we didn't have another long away trip tomorrow, I'm genuinely of the opinion that not as many subs would have been made at Cardiff. Squad is certainly being stretched and a lot of them were out on their feet Saturday.

The first set of subs when we changed to 3 at the back created one of our best chances of the game which seems to have been missed from all this analysis. If Stacey scores from the rebound when their defender blocked off the line then it kills the game. We then lost all control and they score two. Football ey?!

The news from the press conference this afternoon sounds bad too with the news that Forsyth is now out (cheers Rinomhota for that shocking challenge) and Sarge out for 8 weeks. So I really think we will all have to get behind Forson now and help rebuild his confidence because he is almost certainly going to have to play a key role now. 

Expect the same team as Saturday with either Schwartau taking Forysth's place and Gordon coming in on the right or Schwartau staying put and Forson coming in for Forsyth. Two big games now to try maintain some momentum. 

[ron obvious 1,732]

First thing Hanley did was sell Long short with an underhit backpass. Ouch. Then he did his falling over routine in the box. Another ouch.

He's obviously incredibly rusty - not his fault - but aside from being another body on the pitch contributes not a lot. I'm hoping Hills gets back from injury very soon.

[JonnyJonnyRowe 1,042]

On 03/11/2024 at 13:21, cambridgeshire canary said:

Meanwhile Scotland seem to think he's still worth keeping as a first choice defender.

But Scotland are utterly sh!t and currently 51st in the world rankings, so what's this got to do with anything? 

[All the Germans 1,246]

5 hours ago, ron obvious said:

First thing Hanley did was sell Long short with an underhit backpass. Ouch. Then he did his falling over routine in the box. Another ouch.

He's obviously incredibly rusty - not his fault - but aside from being another body on the pitch contributes not a lot. I'm hoping Hills gets back from injury very soon.

I was about to mention the backpass. People above mention he did the falling over "first thing", it wasn't, it was a rubbish backpass that caused panic - literally within seconds of coming on.

I've never rated Hanley, so this is just me banging the same drum, but I consider him a liability. The only time he is useful in my opinion is when you are backs to the wall with crosses coming in to the box, as he is good at defending high balls, anything else, I have always had serious question marks. Ball at his feet whilst we are on the front foot, useless,  balls into channels / in behind, poor.

 

[chicken 3,138]

10 hours ago, Kenny Foggo said:

Forson is struggling. We need to hope the coaching team helps him get use to our game.

I really aught to change my handle to this really, as I say it often enough.

He's young and it's his first season in English football.

List of examples - Sargent, Sara, Nunez.